Wii, PS3, or 360?

[dcentity2000]

I really don't like the PS3 package. It costs a fortune, has no real innovation and has been choked full of strange features, such as 7 player support per console

If you need HD graphics, you may as well pick up an XBox 360 and a Wii for good measure. You'd get a better range of games that way and a better spread of innovation.



Rich::

 

[schmitty]

Is that how you measure success???

So the PS3 has already PREsold about half of their 200k units slated for US release, that leaves about 100K. Sony is said to lose money per box, a kinda cell phone free with PAID service stratagy(software/access equals profit).

Nintendo is shipping well over a million for release day, and actually makes a profit on each unit.

So by your logic if Nintendo sells 800k units on day 1 and Sony sells 200k, Sony should still be considered the winner.

I never compared the 2 in selling more counsels. He said the PS3 will flop which it will not. Most likely the Wii will be sold out after its 1st week of going on sale also. I dont get why you are bringing the point up that Sony is losing money on selling the PS3 at that price. If anything it supports Sony and saying they are willing to lose money to give people what they want while Nintendo is just trying to make a quick buck.

 

[schmitty]

Oh and dont get me started on all those "LOYAL SONY FANS" that line up a week ahead of time, because we all know that none of those units will end up on EBAY...

All those going on ebay will also be sold for a higher amount than if you paid for it in the store. So yes the people who buy them are extremely loyal fans to sony. There are less than 3000 on sale online anyway so its not a huge chunk of people auctioning off there PS3s. Those people that do auction it off for the money are just in it for a quick buck but the people that pay 1500 for a ps3 are extermely loyal sony fans.

 

[schmitty]

I have a PS2, I play Japanese RPG's and don't give a hoot about graphics or online. I play one game a year when I do play. I also do not play 1st person shooter, sports, racing, etc...
I am 41 and I play Mario and the gang WITH my kids. Oh and alone. There are many fun games on Nintendo.

Now if the PS3 was in the 200 range...ok now I will bite. I don't play enough to warrant the cost. KWIM?

My point proven. The Wii is kid oriented. The people between the ages of 15-35 are more likely to buy the PS3 than the Wii. Children and older people will get the Wii.

 

[Papa Deuce]

Bunch of fanboys / gals!

 

[TheGoofster]

I never compared the 2 in selling more counsels. He said the PS3 will flop which it will not. Most likely the Wii will be sold out after its 1st week of going on sale also. I dont get why you are bringing the point up that Sony is losing money on selling the PS3 at that price. If anything it supports Sony and saying they are willing to lose money to give people what they want while Nintendo is just trying to make a quick buck.

Sony is not "willing" to lose money, they are forced to do so because the cost of their machine with all the extra, non-gaming features is too demanding, but don't worry, they will quickly make up for it with their very expensive games. As for Nintendo trying to make a quick buck, well, yeah, sure they are, and guess what, so is Sony (they just aren't smart enough to do it as good as Nintendo)

 

[dcentity2000]

My point proven. The Wii is kid oriented. The people between the ages of 15-35 are more likely to buy the PS3 than the Wii. Children and older people will get the Wii.

A game need not be 18 rated to be great. Rez, NiGHTS and Super Smash Brothers are fine examples of this. Thus we have the Wii aimed at a broader range of ages than a console heavy on the blood and gore.

I'd also like to point out that the Nintendo = Child myth is somewhat misplaced. Whilst Nintendo consoles tend to lack some adult games compared with, say, the XBox, their consoles are not devoid of "adult" games, such as Resident Evil games, Turok, Conker's, Perfect Dark and so on.



Rich::

 

[Jockaroo]

We are not getting any of the systems--yet. Right now their are no games coming out with the product launch that hubby or I feel are worth the purchase price of the new system. We bought Marvel Ultimate Alliance for the X-Box and it was wonderful. But I suspect it would be awesome with the new Wii controller.

Each system has good points and bad points. We want to evaluate them all before spending our money. No camping out in the rain for us!

The Wii is cool in a trendy, but innovative way. The controller has the potential to draw the players into the game and provide some physical activity as well. We were told the each additional 2-part controller will add an extra $60 to your purchase price, so consider that in the price if you want mult-player games. The system is very family-friendly and Nintendo has a large bank of well-known, well-liked characters. (I'm a 38-year-old female who loves Pokemon.) The price is more reasonable, and there should be enough new launch systems that one is obtainable for Christmas. The graphics are low end, however. It isn't an issue for many people, but since we have a large screen HD television, it matters to us. There will be limited games at the system release.

The X-Box 360 has been around a year so it may have its release glitches worked out. A new HD player is being introduced this season at a reasonable price for an add-on. A large number of games are already available for this system, so a consumer can find used games, and some of the "greatest hits" at reduced costs. The system has very good graphics and is priced more reasonably for a higher-end system. But it is still more expensive than Santa can leave at my house.

The PS3 is a new launch, and realistically, will be unobtainable for many, both cost-wise and number of units released for sale. Even at its expensive rate, it will be a sell out, probably by the end of the weekend. Those who can't get it, may be driven to the Wii or a 360 (MicroSoft is banking on this). The PS3 has a huge price tag. It also has excellent graphics. With it being a new launch, it will have fewer game titles available. The big selling factor for this system right now, as another poster mentioned, is the BlueRay player. These players are $1,000 as a stand-alone. And the quality of the PS3 BlueRay appears, based on info out of Japan, to be superior to the stand-alone players. This could be the determining factor for my family.

Again, the HD player vs BlueRay player may not appeal to everyone, since some feel a DVD is a DVD. But it matters to people with large home theater systems with HD televisions. But right now the technology is basically the same as when VHS and Beta launched with VCR technology. If BlueRay turns out to be the Beta version, then the PS3 isn't as good of a deal.

So, for my family, we will continue to play our GameCube, X-Box, and PS2 and buy all the games we wanted, but could not afford, since they will be marked down to clearance prices. Then when the next great "gotta have" game release comes along, decide which system to purchase. And for any console system--I highly recommend Marvel Ultimate Alliance.

 

[schmitty]

Last year when Nintendo announce their new system, nobody knew what the REVOLUTION was gong to offer that had NEVER BEEN OFFERED BEFORE. When nintendo announced their controller it caught everyone off guard (especially Sony who had already begun production on their own PS3 system). At first nobody took it too seriously, least of all Sony who kept working on their own system. Later, as the Revolution started getting more publicity, the controler started becoming more popular. By the time Nintendo changed the name of the Revolution to the Wii, and plans were being made for the E3, suddenly Sony announced a change in its controler, a Wii like system that would allow a few games limited multi-range capablility (but not nearly as good or as flexible as the Wii). Since that time the Sony controler has been considered a joke by most of the major video game review boards. It can't decide if it wants to be a XBox controller or a Wii controller, so instead it's stuck somewhere in the middle.

Now, as for nobody LIKING Nintendo's characters, get real. They are only the most popular, and best selling video game characters on this little place we like to call Earth. If you think Mario is only for kids you need to get out of your house more often. And as for Link, it is selling mostly to young adults (the same one's you said would never want it, sorry, but the numbers don't agree with you)

And please don't even try to compare Sony to Nintendo when it comes to kids games. Sony is basing the majority of it's sales (very expensive sales) to one target - hard core gamers. Nintendo has traditionally been known as the most kid friendly system, and now they are expanding that to reach all levels of fans. The only fan base that will stick with the PS3 are again, the hard core gamers (at least the ones who don't go with XBOX). One of the biggest attractions of the Wii is the ability of any player (even my wife for example who doesn't like to play video games) to pick up the Wii's new controller and very quickly be good at playing whatever game. With the PS3 if you haven't grown up with a video game system, it will not be comfortable enough for the average person get the hang of quick enough to want to keep playing.

Does Sony have better grapics? Again, yes they do (although if I want the best graphics I'll stick to my PC), but as even you can see with this simple little poll, the Wii is going to kick Sony's backside all over the place. Don't mistake Sony's limited quanties for better sales.

Is something stuck in your brain or something? The PS1 had a tilt axis controller. There is nothing revolutionary about it. Sony and Microsoft both had controllers that had tilt motion sensing.
I never said about people not liking the characters. I said the games are horrible and boring. You dont seem to remember that the majority of people who play games are between the ages of 15-35. That is who sony markets too. Just because old people and 3 year olds like a game doesn't mean its fun for the whole family. Just people in those age groups. Once again the Wii is based for people who have no experience with games, i.e older people and young children. The PS3 controller is not confusing. It has 8 buttons, like many controllers before it. The Wii controller has 6 buttons and an extension chord with a joystick on it.
Look at the average age of the people that are being polled. People in there 40's and late 30's. Most of them have children between 5 and 13. Thats not the target audience for the PS3 so obviously the results will be skewed. Dont let the people being polled confuse you into thinking you are more correct.

 

[schmitty]

A game need not be 18 rated to be great. Rez, NiGHTS and Super Smash Brothers are fine examples of this. Thus we have the Wii aimed at a broader range of ages than a console heavy on the blood and gore.

I'd also like to point out that the Nintendo = Child myth is somewhat misplaced. Whilst Nintendo consoles tend to lack some adult games compared with, say, the XBox, their consoles are not devoid of "adult" games, such as Resident Evil games, Turok, Conker's, Perfect Dark and so on.



Rich::

Is this the REZ you are talking about? Here. Its the only game that comes to mind for me. Its for PS2 though not GC. Also is NiGHTS the game for Saturn?

The RE series is now a PS3 exclusive. It may change but as of now RE5 is only slated to come out for PS3. Turok will also be released for the PS3 and the 360. Conker never appeared on the GC. It was on N64 then Microsoft bought Rare. The same happened for Perfect Dark. 2 or 3 M rated games do not make a counsel a counsel for adults.

 

[schmitty]

Sony is not "willing" to lose money, they are forced to do so because the cost of their machine with all the extra, non-gaming features is too demanding, but don't worry, they will quickly make up for it with their very expensive games. As for Nintendo trying to make a quick buck, well, yeah, sure they are, and guess what, so is Sony (they just aren't smart enough to do it as good as Nintendo)

They are actually making very little profit if any from the games. By your statements it is clear you are very anti Sony.

 

[Anewman]

I never compared the 2 in selling more counsels. He said the PS3 will flop which it will not. Most likely the Wii will be sold out after its 1st week of going on sale also. I dont get why you are bringing the point up that Sony is losing money on selling the PS3 at that price. If anything it supports Sony and saying they are willing to lose money to give people what they want while Nintendo is just trying to make a quick buck.

So how do you measure success??

Sales numbers, PROFIT, graphics, or persons camping out prior to release? please tell us.

The reason I brought up the whole profit per unit is to paint an overall picture, I dont see how losing money and delivering LESS UNITS at launch can rule out a flop over the long run. Nintendo has a history of winning battles vs consoles "with more potential", can you say DREAMCAST.

If Nintendo sells 4 million units by xmas and Sony is only at 800k, which one will sell more games this xmas????

Is something stuck in your brain or something? The PS1 had a tilt axis controller. There is nothing revolutionary about it.
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Look at the average age of the people that are being polled. People in there 40's and late 30's. Most of them have children between 5 and 13. Thats not the target audience for the PS3 so obviously the results will be skewed. Dont let the people being polled confuse you into thinking you are more correct.

Please post a link to the PS1 controller specs that, you compare to the non revolutionary Wii setup.

Do you feel that persons in the 30-40 year old brackets PAY for most of the gifts given to teenagers?????

Why is it ok for you to think your "OPINION" is more correct, are you confused as well?

 

[dcentity2000]

Is this the REZ you are talking about? Here. Its the only game that comes to mind for me. Its for PS2 though not GC. Also is NiGHTS the game for Saturn?

REZ was indeed released for the PS2 a little while after it's debut on the Sega Dreamcast; FANTASTIC game!

NiGHTS was a Saturn game, apparently one of THE games to play, along with Sonic 2, Mario 64, Shenmue and so on.

It's sad that RE is becoming a Sony exclusive; I enjoyed the few that I played very much. Perhaps Alone in the Dark will finally get it's act together and rival the named giant?

I would reiterate though, a low age limit on a game does not mean it is for kids only.



Rich::

 

[azgal81]

I'll probably eventually buy the wii for the Mario games. I will also pick up a PS3 once games are released for it that I will actually play. Who knows maybe I'll get a 360 as well.

 

[Papa Deuce]

For people who have or think they want a XBOX 360! Wicked cool!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHVC4Wi_5Og

 

[frndshpcptn]

Have any of you actually played the Wii or PS3 yet? It seems everyone is quoting third party sources at this point.

They are different systems with different boast points. They aren't competing on the same messages. The Wii is geared to families, the PS3 to the 15-35 year old market. The PS3 has Blu-ray capabilities and a new cell processor that deliver visual graphics like nothing I have EVER seen. It's absolutely astonishing - especially on a flat panel HDTV. The PS3 can blend seemlessly into an home entertainment system.

The Wii is also great - in a different way. Less impressive on the screen, but nifty games with fun interactive ways for the whole family (including younger kids) to get invoved. The sports games are great. No doubt at all about that.

It just depends which is more important to you

 

[The Mystery Machine]

My point proven. The Wii is kid oriented. The people between the ages of 15-35 are more likely to buy the PS3 than the Wii. Children and older people will get the Wii.

Now I am "older people"....Oh the shame....must get my cane & hobble away now.

 

[TheGoofster]

Is something stuck in your brain or something? The PS1 had a tilt axis controller. There is nothing revolutionary about it. Sony and Microsoft both had controllers that had tilt motion sensing.
I never said about people not liking the characters. I said the games are horrible and boring. You dont seem to remember that the majority of people who play games are between the ages of 15-35. That is who sony markets too. Just because old people and 3 year olds like a game doesn't mean its fun for the whole family. Just people in those age groups. Once again the Wii is based for people who have no experience with games, i.e older people and young children. The PS3 controller is not confusing. It has 8 buttons, like many controllers before it. The Wii controller has 6 buttons and an extension chord with a joystick on it.
Look at the average age of the people that are being polled. People in there 40's and late 30's. Most of them have children between 5 and 13. Thats not the target audience for the PS3 so obviously the results will be skewed. Dont let the people being polled confuse you into thinking you are more correct.

First of all, what on earth do you keep talking about? The original PS controller is absolutely nothing like the new Wii multi-sensor contoller. The only kind of controller that Sony has that can be even somewhat compared to the Wii controller is what they offer on their new PS3 (and that is nothing but a cheap rip-off) It's like comparing a 9 inch black and white TV with a small built in antenna, to a 60 inch HD Plasma TV with satellite connection. Sure they can both show movies, but the comparison stops there. Do you even know what they Wii controller is or how it works? Apparently not.

And how on earth can you call the most popular games on the planet (which Mario is) horrible and boring? Maybe for you they are, but for most of the people who play video games (of all ages) they are the standard by which all other games get measured. I understand your wanting to use only a very limited age group in all your references because that is the only place that PS3 can get it's market from, but as I have repeatedly said, the Wii will target all ages (including your precious 15-35 year olds), and it is this broad appeal that is going to catapult the Wii well past the reaches of the Sony. By the way, if you caught any of the E3, you would have seen that the vast majority of the Wii's supporters (who completely and totally outnumbered the PS3 supporters) were of the teen to young adult range (again your arguments get blown away in the light of reality)

As to your statement that the Wii is only for people who have no experience with games, FALSE. The Wii has caught the attention of all people. Nothing has captured the excitement of tried and true gamers as this NEW multi-sensor controller from the Wii. I mean why play a game on the PS3 where you are stuck with a very boring controller, when you can now experience the game like never before. Again, I would invite you to spend a little time on the gaming boards (which is made up of people mostly between the ages of 15 and 35) to see just how popular the Wii has become for the generation that has grown up gaming. Now, add to that the number of new people who before didn't have an interest in gaming, yet now are waiting to get their hands on the Wii, and you start to get a picture of just why the Wii is going to blow the doors off of the PS3.

And for the record, I don't dislike the PS3, I just can't for the life of me understand why somebody would sink half a grand into a system that is obviosly second fiddle to a much better system that costs half the price.

 

[The Mystery Machine]

As to your statement that the Wii is only for people who have no experience with games, FALSE.

He didn't say that did he?
I have played Video Games since before they were console systems at the ARCADE.
Then we got Pong and so it goes...been playing ever since.
However I did not buy a SEGA or the other system..cannot think of the name. I was busy in college.
However I took up gaming again to play my RPG's again with Playstation.
However I am NOT GOING to PAY 600 for a system. I don't care if it is "LIVE" on the screen.
I will wait and see...and buy when my PS2 breaks or it comes down in price to match reality.

 

[Captain Brain]

Wii!!