Why the Bashing?

[jcodespoti]

Why The Bashing of the Split w/Piaxar?


Joe in CT

 

[mobmilli]

No one that I know of has bashed Pixar, they deserve the credit that is due them. Now of ME, just more reason's of proof that he needs to be gone.

 

[jcodespoti]

Steve Jobs!!! That guy can't run a company for more than a few years at best!! Look what he did to apple! And the company NextStep was a disaster. Eisner has his problems but Jobs is a lot of trouble.


Joe in CT

 

[WDWHound]

Originally posted by jcodespoti
Steve Jobs!!! That guy can't run a company for more than a few years at best!! Look what he did to apple! And the company NextStep was a disaster. Eisner has his problems but Jobs is a lot of trouble.

Yeah, obviously Pixar has been such a failure

You can make an argument that Disney did the right thing in letting Pixar go ( though I would disagree), but to say Jobs is mismanaging Pixar is absurd.

 

[Razor Roman]

I don't think the split is a bad business decision - I mean, it's almost ridiculous that Pixard doesn't own Buzz, Woddy, Flik, Sulley, Mike and Nemo.

The one problem I see as a movie goer / fan is that when the Pixar movies distributed by Warner or whatever come out, what will happen with the characters? Maybe they will have a brief walk-around period in Six Flags or some merchandise, but the only company that seems to make movie characters immortal is Disney. Where will my kids go to hug the characters from Ratatouille, or whatever the first non-disney picture is? They probably won't be able to.

For the parks/merchandise reason (which many people get cynical about - but believe me, a lot of people go to WDW for the characters and rides based on the movies, at least that's the perspective I got from working at the Disney MGM Studios) I wish that Disney/Pixar could work something out - only Pixar can make sequels, Disney gets a 10% distributers fee & lifetime theme park rights, and Pixar gets a seat on the Disney board would be nice. (It would be cool to see John Lasseter on the board, wouldn't it? )

That would make me truly happy.

 

[Bob O]

One honest person on a board of eisner cronies cant do much of anything and then wouldnt be able to speak out about what wrong with disney due to corporate gag orders that were forced upon Roy before he left the board/employment of disney.

 

[WDSearcher]

Originally posted by Bob O
One honest person on a board of eisner cronies cant do much of anything and then wouldnt be able to speak out about what wrong with disney due to corporate gag orders that were forced upon Roy before he left the board/employment of disney.

There are other "honest people" (as you put it) on the board already -- Jobs certainly wouldn't be the only one, were he to join. Roy and Stanley only have issue with three board members in particular. They haven't leveled criticism at the others.

 

[WDSearcher]

Originally posted by Razor Roman
Maybe they will have a brief walk-around period in Six Flags or some merchandise, but the only company that seems to make movie characters immortal is Disney. Where will my kids go to hug the characters from Ratatouille, or whatever the first non-disney picture is? They probably won't be able to.

That's a good point, Razor. I hadn't thought of that as a by-product of all of this. I mean ... there are Peanuts and Nickelodeon and Warner Bros. and Sesame Street characters populating lots of other theme parks, but it's the Disney characters that parents want their kids to meet. Throwbacks from their childhoods, I suppose, when the only characters you COULD meet were at Disney. Before everyone else got into the character costuming biz. I wonder if the Pixar gang is thinking of that? And, further, I wonder what kind of agreement that will be? There are, for example, Nickelodeon characters in both Six Flags and Paramount parks. Disney is notorious for protecting its characters to such a level that you need a special dispensation to have Mickey standing next to ANY non-Disney character, whether it be an Olympic mascot or Santa Claus. And Disney turns down requests every year for the characters to appear in other parks. Will Disney have a say on whether or not Buzz and Woody show up in whatever park the "new" Pixar characters are in? Or will certain Pixar characters remain exclusive to Disney?

 

[jcodespoti]

You can make an argument that Disney did the right thing in letting Pixar go ( though I would disagree), but to say Jobs is mismanaging Pixar is absurd.

Not yet he's not and at first he did a good job at apple, then without someone guiding him he almost spent Apple bankrupt. And NextStep was a laugher.

If you want to bash Eisner, just use the facts, not quotes by CEO"S who couldn't tell their butt from second base

Joe in CT

 

[Bob O]

If the board members were honest and not a bunch of toadies in the back pocket of eisner they would have taken their fiducary responsibility seriously and gotten rid of eisner for both the companies well being and that of the stock holders who have seen their investment go down over several years time. But of course as reported in most places, this board has no independance at all and has been rated one of the worst of all corporate boards.

 

[WDSearcher]

Originally posted by Bob O
If the board members were honest and not a bunch of toadies in the back pocket of eisner they would have taken their fiducary responsibility seriously and gotten rid of eisner for both the companies well being and that of the stock holders who have seen their investment go down over several years time. But of course as reported in most places, this board has no independance at all and has been rated one of the worst of all corporate boards.

Then why aren't Roy and Stan targeting everyone? If they truly believed that the whole board was a total loss, they'd say so, but they haven't. They must believe that there are people there who could be effective board members, otherwise they'd condemn the whole board.

 

[Razor Roman]

Originally posted by WDSearcher
Will Disney have a say on whether or not Buzz and Woody show up in whatever park the "new" Pixar characters are in? Or will certain Pixar characters remain exclusive to Disney?
[/B]

My understanding is that Disney will have a say in those characters. Or more accurately, Pixar has NO say at all. For the terms of the existing deal, Disney completely owns the rights to all Pixar characters from movies made under their deal, so Toy Story, Bug's Life, Nemo, Monsters Inc, Cars and the Incredibles will all belong to Disney for parks, merchandise, sequels (yeah, Disney is already working on Toy Story 3).

So really, the main negative for Pixar is that if they go with another studio, their new characters will not get the great association with Mickey & the Gang.

 

[Bob O]

You first have to chop off the head of the "beast" and the rest will also drop off or fall in line and do their job like they are supposed to do.
Roy realizes if they can get rid of eisner then the worst board members can be next!!!

 

[WDSearcher]

Originally posted by Bob O
You first have to chop off the head of the "beast" and the rest will also drop off or fall in line and do their job like they are supposed to do.
Roy realizes if they can get rid of eisner then the worst board members can be next!!!

Well ... yeah. I GET that. But your note seemed to condemn all the board members out of hand, when in truth, Roy and Stan have only had issue with three or four. Just trying to keep things in perspective.

 

[Glideslope]

Joe in CT

You obviously know nothing about Apple. If you take the time to actually research your post you would find Apple among the most profitable companies in the world. They will have NO DEBT after a 300 million payment in April. They have close to 5 billion in cash reserves. Granted the iMac sales are a little slow as of now. But a new machine will be announced soon. The rest of the product line is selling beyond manufacturing capacity.

Pixar will surpass Disney as the leader in animation soon. Eisner is a cancer within Disney. He has forgotten about the product.

Gil Amelio was the Apple CEO in the early 90's who placed the company in fiscal peril. He has not held a position of stature since.

Nothing personal. Just business.

 

[jcodespoti]

Apple is trading at about $22.75 a share+-. In late fall of 2000 it was at about $65 a share, by December that year it was at less than $15.00 a share, all with the mighty Steve Jobs at the helm. This happened in just 3 or 4 months.
So the Stock has gone up 10 points (+-) in 3 an1/2 YEARS. a whole 2.75 points a year..what a good job he's doing.
And what about NEXTSTep?

Look I'm not saying that Apple is a good or bad company..what I am saying that when Steve Jobs says that Eisner is a bum (in so many words) he should think before speaking because his track record is not much better.

Eisner may have lost his way..time will tell.


Joe in CT

 

[airlarry!]

Joe:

You've mentioned NeXT many times, and that Ei$ner 'may' have lost his way, and that 'time will tell.'

Can you name anything DIS has invested in under Ei$ner's watch that has been equally (or worse) unprofitable?

I'll help you if you need.

 

[jcodespoti]

Airlarry!,

Eisner has done many things that are dumb (Lion King 1 1/2 pops in my head right away) and he may have cheapend the Disney name. Him leaving will not bother me one bit. I just think Steve Jobs shooting his mouth off is like the pot calling the lettle black.

Joe in CT

 

[WDSearcher]

Originally posted by jcodespoti
Airlarry!,

Eisner has done many things that are dumb (Lion King 1 1/2 pops in my head right away)

But have you seen Lion King 1.5? I've pretty much hated all the direct-to-video films (Poca 2, Hunch 2, One Hundred and However Many Dalmatians), and I REALLY didn't like Return to Neverland, but I've got to say that Lion King 1.5 was pretty darn enjoyable. But then, I've always been a fan of Rosencrantz & Guildenstern are Dead, so I suppose it was to be expected.

 

[lucky_bunni]

Originally posted by jcodespoti
Apple is trading at about $22.75 a share+-. In late fall of 2000 it was at about $65 a share, by December that year it was at less than $15.00 a share, all with the mighty Steve Jobs at the helm. This happened in just 3 or 4 months.
So the Stock has gone up 10 points (+-) in 3 an1/2 YEARS. a whole 2.75 points a year..what a good job he's doing.
And what about NEXTSTep?

Look I'm not saying that Apple is a good or bad company..what I am saying that when Steve Jobs says that Eisner is a bum (in so many words) he should think before speaking because his track record is not much better.

Eisner may have lost his way..time will tell.


Joe in CT

You have to realize that Jobs has had a much harder track since 2000 because Apple is a tech company. All tech companies have had their struggles. However, he brought Apple out pretty quickly, and most Apple followers will tell you that there really wasn't any fumble by Jobs that caused the stock price to fall.

Eisner on the other hand is much responsible for mishandling the company since the death of Frank Wells. Virtually none of the business is in great shape right now. Everything, besides movies, is struggling. What was once and should always be the core business of Disney, Theme Parks and Animation, is simply scrapping by right now.