Why not to buy into Poly 1 but maybe Poly 2 / Those Darn Bungalows !!!!

[Yankee626]

We know for the entire 11 month window about 50% are booked that’s including February, March, April and May that can’t be booked by other owners yet which sit at 99% vacant about. Within that 7 month window we actually see a pretty high occupancy rate.

Those numbers are actual facts on the current bookings scraped directly from the member site. They aren’t opinions or based on anecdotal experiences.

I agree with your statement they don’t really benefit Poly owners, but they do benefit DVC as while, look at September, it’s booked 92% or November it’s booked 75%. That’s not 75% of the days with no availability that’s 75% of the bungalows are booked on average each day, I’d say that’s very high percentage.

Unfortunately at the time with no resale restrictions I think Disney did make decisions to benefit the entire DVC system with Poly (and the Resort Studios at VGF) being mostly studios. That doesn’t benefit Poly either but it does certainly benefit DVC at large given the high interest in studios. Resale restrictions make it very important now to buy into resorts that have a balance of rooms that interest you.

50% is not high ; its low. Also Im wondering if some members have points backed up because of Covid and need to use them. Whats the numbers before covid.

 

[crvetter]

50% is not high ; its low. Also Im wondering if some members have points backed up because of Covid and need to use them. Whats the numbers before covid.

I never called it high. I was challenging your “maybe 50%” to say we know over the entire 11 month window it is about 50%. I was challenging your hyperbolic statement based on no facts of even anecdotal experiences.

Also that’s 50% over 11 months rented. I could do the studios at Poly to see what they are at but it isn’t 100% rented. What is an acceptable number over 11 months to you?

We know July is 94% booked, August 60%, September is 92%, etc (you can read my post above). So rooms within the 7 month window are booked at 75% booked. Which is the number I am interested in, like I said I agree they don’t benefit PVB but they seem to benefit DVC

 

[Sandisw]

50% is not high ; its low. Also Im wondering if some members have points backed up because of Covid and need to use them. Whats the numbers before covid.

I guess I am still not understanding the concern. Anyone who owns PVB is able to book the studios at 11 months without issue and owners who don't own there have great success booking at 7 months, since the PVB studios tend to be the ones easier to get.

So, in the scheme of things, regardless of how many points the bungalows added to the PVB resort and DVC as a whole, there doesn't appear to be a negative impact on those wanting to stay at PVB.

For as long as I have owned, 2009, before PVB was built, the 2.5% credit we get for rooms rented during the breakage period has always been met...that means that there are plenty of points go unused by owners each and every year..

 

[CarolMN]

I've read through this thread and I understand most of the points made.

That said, if I wanted to buy the Poly for studios, I would not hesitate at all because of the bungalows. AFAIK, no one who books at 11 months has reported being shut out at the Poly for any time of the year (except possibly for NYE, which can be an issue at all of the WDW DVC resorts). Many times of the year, the Poly studios are even available at 7 months. I honestly don't see the problem.

DVC is a FCFS system, so I'm not overly sympathetic to those who can't trade at 7 months.

 

[Robbie Cottam]

I am beginning to think about 75 direct points at Riviera and 75 direct points at POLY2 if it is a different association so we can bank and borrow and take an 8-day trip using the 2 resorts once every 3 years.

We could use our 180 SSR points the other 2 years at SSR, OKV, AKV, BRV or CCV. We will travel August or January.

My wife has 75 poly points, the bank borrow thing never works out right for her and “we”always end up needing to get her and the kids a couple of night somewhere else with my points….

 

[tom1944]

My wife has 75 poly points, the bank borrow thing never works out right for her and “we”always end up needing to get her and the kids a couple of night somewhere else with my points….

Thanks. I have the idea run through my mind, but I was never certain it works. I think if you do it the points have to be direct points so they can be used somewhere else. I think resale points means you have to expect you will lose points.

It might be best to do every other year few days stay as part of a split stay vacation if I buy direct at Riviera or Poly2

Year 1 use resale points for a week or so stay

Year 2 use direct points for 4 days at Riviera or Poly2 and use resale points for 4 days somewhere else like AKV or SSR

 

[Yankee626]

I guess I am still not understanding the concern. Anyone who owns PVB is able to book the studios at 11 months without issue and owners who don't own there have great success booking at 7 months, since the PVB studios tend to be the ones easier to get.

So, in the scheme of things, regardless of how many points the bungalows added to the PVB resort and DVC as a whole, there doesn't appear to be a negative impact on those wanting to stay at PVB.

For as long as I have owned, 2009, before PVB was built, the 2.5% credit we get for rooms rented during the breakage period has always been met...that means that there are plenty of points go unused by owners each and every year..

Really ! I've been trying to get a res at the Poly for a while now at the 7 month mark with no luck. Maybe a day or 2 available. I have a Reservation at my home resort VGF and only could get a waiting list . I've been following this for 6 months and nothing is available there for a full week at the 7 month mark except Bungalows. Same is true at BWV, CCV , BCV, RIV , BRV and spotty availability at BLT( Which I hate). Even spotty availability for some Studios at the 7 month mark at OKW and Jambo house. Of cousre SSV are available and Kidani usually always.

 

[Sandisw]

Really ! I've been trying to get a res at the Poly for a while now at the 7 month mark with no luck. Maybe a day or 2 available. I have a Reservation at my home resort VGF and only could get a waiting list . I've been following this for 6 months and nothing is available there for a full week at the 7 month mark except Bungalows. Same is true at BWV, CCV , BCV, RIV , BRV and spotty availability at BLT( Which I hate). Even spotty availability for some Studios at the 7 month mark at OKW and Jambo house. Of cousre SSV are available and Kidani usually always.

I know October to mid January can be tough, as that is the busy DVC time for all resorts, but my experience in looking at rooms at PVB has not been the same as yours…almost all my trips i could get rooms at the Poly….though, to be fair, I never paid attention to more than 5 nights in a row.

But even your own search suggest that PVB isn’t the only one that may have some issues at 7 months. Near park resorts are getting harder and harder to book because people are not moving to other places as much as before. Still, if someone owns PVB, they will not have trouble getting studios when they want them.

I do wonder if part of it may be the impacts of BWV, BRV, and BCV, having just a bit more 18 years on it, People buying there now are buying to use exclusively and if that is happening, there will be fewer spots for others to go.

 

[Yankee626]

I know November and December can be tough, but my experience in looking at rooms at PVB has not been the same as yours…almost all my trips i could get rooms at the Poly….though, to be fair, I never paid attention to more than 5 nights in a row.

But even your own search suggest that PVB isn’t the only one that may have some issues at 7 months. Near park resorts are getting harder and harder to book because people are not moving to other places as much as before.

I do wonder if part of it may be the impacts of BWV, BRV, and BCV, having just a bit more 18 years on it, People buying there now are buying to use exclusively and if that is happening, there will be fewer spots for others to go.

Hey that's why you buy where you want to stay. I own at VGF and CCV and 99% of the time I'm booking at the 11 month mark. Then put a waiting list in somewhere else at the 7 month mark.

 

[DanCali]

Hey that's why you buy where you want to stay. I own at VGF and CCV and 99% of the time I'm booking at the 11 month mark. Then put a waiting list in somewhere else at the 7 month mark.

If you buy where you want to stay you shouldn't usually have to waitlist anything somewhere else at 7 months. Book at 11 months, and waitlist where you own at 11 months if your more desired option was gone when you booked.

 

[Yankee626]

If you buy where you want to stay you shouldn't usually have to waitlist anything somewhere else at 7 months. Book at 11 months, and waitlist where you own at 11 months if your more desired option was gone when you booked.

Everyone wants a change of pace. I love staying at all the resorts. It used to be much easier than it is now. I go to DW 4 weeks a year. My preference would be to at least once get a reservation at a different resort. But I got what I paid for.

 

[Robbie Cottam]

Really ! I've been trying to get a res at the

Thanks. I have the idea run through my mind, but I was never certain it works. I think if you do it the points have to be direct points so they can be used somewhere else. I think resale points means you have to expect you will lose points.

It might be best to do every other year few days stay as part of a split stay vacation if I buy direct at Riviera or Poly2

Year 1 use resale points for a week or so stay

Year 2 use direct points for 4 days at Riviera or Poly2 and use resale points for 4 days somewhere else like AKV or SSR

I don’t enjoy studios
We usually do 2bd…
So to make it work for me I do
One week at either BLT or RR every other years. And then one week at SSR every year…

I then have left over points to rent, go on an adult trip, or give to my wife to supplement the silly low number of points she has ….

No you don’t want to ask what I pay for dues ….

 

[lilsonicfan]

Without getting specific, availability doesn’t seem too bad at end of Jan, ie 7 month mark right now, in studios. I think the availability charts on various websites suggest the same. Maybe you need to get on right at 8am.

 

[Yankee626]

Without getting specific, availability doesn’t seem too bad at end of Jan, ie 7 month mark right now, in studios. I think the availability charts on various websites suggest the same. Maybe you need to get on right at 8am.

Really ! I've been on every day. I wouldn't say its really available if 1000 people are on at exactly 800am every day. Its like hitting the lottery to get anything .

 

[Yankee626]

heck I have to walk a reservation @ 11 months to get a Studio at CCV or a deluxe studio at GFV.

 

[Rochester Disney Fan]

Anecdotally, I've found it hard to find them to book via cash on the WDW site.

The Board sponsor has a site you can join that that let's you know how many rooms of each type are available on a given night. The Bongalo's , just like all other room types, have several nights a month completely booked up to the seven month window so there are apparently many willing to splurge.

 

[lilsonicfan]

Really ! I've been on every day. I wouldn't say its really available if 1000 people are on at exactly 800am every day. Its like hitting the lottery to get anything .

Well look isn’t that the whole thing with home resort advantage. Anyone booking 7 months out has to take their chances if not at their home resort. Just the other day, I booked two nights in a studio at Poly for late August, so sometimes it works out.

 

[CarolynFH]

I do wonder if part of it may be the impacts of BWV, BRV, and BCV, having just a bit more 18 years on it, People buying there now are buying to use exclusively and if that is happening, there will be fewer spots for others to go.

I don’t think having 18 years left is the issue. People have bought BWV & BCV resale to have 11-month access (during F&W especially) for many years already.

 

[Cfabar1]

I do wonder if part of it may be the impacts of BWV, BRV, and BCV, having just a bit more 18 years on it, People buying there now are buying to use exclusively and if that is happening, there will be fewer spots for others to go.

This is so true.... you're lucky to find one or two nights on the boardwalk in any category if you don't own there.

 

[DanCali]

I actually think people will come to view resale restrictions as just part of the program and go with it. Many thought it would be a product killer, myself included, and it has not.

Not saying it doesn’t work but I just don’t see DVD needing to do it. They simply do what they are doing now, make the incentives strong enough make the difference between resale and direct small enough to pull the direct trigger. Which, just based on reports here, this has happened a lot for those who never thought they’d go direct.

All of those other systems don’t have the one thing that DVC does…onsite accommodations at WDW for trips to Disney.

They have been selling a lot more VGF direct than RIV direct for a few months in a row now. Like you say, it does matter that resale prices at VGF are in the same ballpark as direct. But it also matters that they are less so at RIV. After they sell out VGF, Aulani will likely be the only direct option without resale restrictions and I don't think the other resorts, including Poly2, will necessarily replace all the current brisk VGF sales.

I saw in the other thread you made (rejected) offers of $100-$110 for RIV small contracts. But that may be the going price in 6, 12, or 18 months. What do you think will happen to RIV direct sales if resale prices at RIV went below $100? It certainly won't make a direct purchase more attractive... Some will never care, but will some of those considering Poly2 at $230+ think twice about buying there direct with the restrictions if RIV was below $100 resale? Will they buy direct or wait 3-4 years to maybe pick it up as restricted points on the resale market for less than $100. I agree that as long as things are selling strong, DVC doesn't need to do much. But time will tell...