Why not buy the cheapest home resort??

[princetonnj]

Originally, I was interested in this thread because I had pondered the same question. Why not buy at the cheapest resort (points and maint fees)? (Isn't this is a part of a common practice in Timeshare ownership, which explains all the timeshares in S. Africa etc. The other part being trade-power)

Now, I find myself reading the thread for the soap-opera like entertainment.

Anyway......

The reasons I came up with were:
1) not being able to stay at my favorite resort during peak times
2) not being able to reserve the type of room that I want
3) resort with the least expensive maint fees now, may not be forever.

Does anyone have any other reasons not to buy at the cheapest resort?


Happy Thanksgiving !!

 

[MiaSRN62]

One possibility. Is defensiveness another possibility? Avoidance? Evasiveness? What is the harm in discussing ways to improve the desirability of OKW to level a potential differentiation in demand. If there's no difference in demand for older OKW, what's the harm?

There's no harm in discussing it---though that was not the OT of this thread. BUT....I think your sarcasm and tone of your posts is what is making people feel you are being less than genuine. Originally, you just blasted OKW---a resort you have never stayed at----and only in the last few pages of this thread did u bring up the topic that even your BWV could use some improvements. I don't think anyone here is defensive at all----just not willing to address topics that you are adding to this thread (and throwing in a dose of your sarcasm) or willing to discuss this specific topic because it was not the original intent of this thread. Your continual repeating of "old OKW" is getting old----I mean OKW is only about 4 1/2 years older than BWV. Also, can't leave out the fact that many of us don't see any verification in the whole "OKW folks book at other resorts"----there's just no proof to substantiate some of your remarks. I feel it's alot of speculation going on. I wish we could get our hands on some cold, hard facts from DVC.
If you really want to discuss the idea of improvements to the DVC resorts, you'd probably best be served initiating a new thread. I'd bet that thread would take off too.
Personally, as far as the OT goes....I will continue to trade into other DVC resorts from time to time, NOT because I bought at the cheapest dues resort just to stay at all the others (though this is within anyone's right), or not because OKW doesn't "attract" me, but rather because we simply like some variety in our vacations. We just find it fun to switch around. Before DVC, we stayed at many different WDW hotels for the same reason. I most certainly won't feel like I'm stealing reservations from anyone or doing anything wrong. You know, for years we thought about buying into DVC & hesitated for various reasons. I've been a Vistana timeshare owner since '94 and would get comments like "staying offsite stinks" and "offsite timeshares are the worst", etc on the boards. Now that I've been a DVC Member for 3 years, I still feel like I'm getting similar comments and into similar debates because my home resort is OKW. It's crazy. We're all one big DVC family. I guess BWV and BCV owners just have to be a little more prudent about booking in the 8-11 month window so as to avoid disappointment and wait lists ?

 

[DeeP]

Originally posted by MiaSRN62
I don't think anyone here is defensive at all---

You Have GOT to be kidding!!!!!!!!! No one can say anything even remotely negative concerning OKW on this board without getting blasted. Of course when the constant belittling and "so called jokes" are posted about all DVC resort except OKW, then these same people think it is sooooooooooooo funny, but God forbid the joke or criticism is directed at OKW, then that is a totally different story!

 

[PamOKW]

Personally, I don't find any of the "jokes" aimed at belittling any of the resorts cute or clever. I think it is divisive and a little juvenile. I feel that way about some of the "jokes" in this thread and the "jokes" that have been made about other resorts in the past. Constantly seeking to cut down other resorts is not my idea of a fun or productive sharing of information.

Sharing one's opinion about pros and cons of a resort is a way to help each other decide which resort to try next -- criticizing another's taste and trying to bend their opinions to suit one's own is pointless. I don't think the hallways at BWV are too long, I don't think the road is too close to BCV, I don't think VWL is too dark and I don't think OKW is either "old" or located somewhere near Atlanta. I love them all -- including Vero and HHI and the beauty of DVC is that we are free to enjoy all of them, some of them or just one.

 

[Desperado]

Originally posted by MiaSRN62
Originally, you just blasted OKW---a resort you have never stayed at----and only in the last few pages of this thread did u bring up the topic that even your BWV could use some improvements.

Nonsense. Where's the blasting of OKW? The one post you brought up re: 'retirement' was removed, as a direct response and courtesy to you as soon as you posted your concern.

Secondly, I'm not a BWV owner, it's not my home resort, where'd you get that nonsense. Why must your characterize a positive solution of improving OKW as some resort war, who's got the best resort. This is a huge mischaracterization of the discussion, some of which is based on deleted data. This isn't a discussion of the pros and cons of resorts, talk about off topic. Chriticising one's taste in buying a resort? Where the heck did you read that? man-o-man, I guess one just makes stuff up as they go along, huh?

And again, time after time, it avoids the discussion of the possible solution, improvements for OKW. Even if it is the absolute best resort out of all of them, some things could be improved as an attempt to even out resort demand. Why is it impossible to raise the question and directly answer the solution. Sorry, but that's excessive defensiveness.

 

[Lisa F]

I just had to comment because... well, I can't keep my yap shut.

First let me start of by saying that we are die hard fans of BWV. It is our favorite resort hands down. No amount of Richyams logic could convince me that OKW is better than BWV FOR US. Now that that is out of the way...

I think Desperado and DeeP are WAY off on this one. OKW is not an inferior resort, it's a DIFFERENT resort. Saying that they should make changes to OKW to make it more desirable is like saying that they should tear down the new DVC's and rebuild them larger to make them more like OKW. OKW is what it is and some people actually LIKE what it is. Enough like what it is to have spent big bucks to buy into there.

Rather than being all bitter about people who spend less money on dues if I call at the last minute and can't get into BWV (and I have had that happen to me, every last minute trip has been at OKW), I generally am reminded that gee, I made the right decision to buy where I want to stay. I have been calling daily for standard view for food and wine festival and MNSSHP for 2004 and being able to get that room is the reason I pay "more" to own at BWV.

No matter HOW the system is set up, there will always be some people who can "work it" more effectively than others.... however, if the system is decently set up, it will require some extra "cost" (not necessarily in money) for people to work the system. People who stay in dvc from sunday-thursday are getting a better deal than those who stay full weeks (like we do) but at the same time they have to eat the extra "cost" of having a shorter trip OR moving resorts. We are willing to pay more to not have to do that. Likewise people who buy at a "cheaper" resort and mainly stay at "more expensive" resorts are incurring a cost with that. They are not going to be able to get highly desireable times... at least they are not guaranteed that consistently. Again, if you don't care, why incur a higher cost if you don't mind the risk? I mind the risk so I bought what guaranteed me the things I want.

If rooms were available at every resort at the last minute, it would mean the system WASN'T working. In order for the system to work all of the resorts need to be mostly booked. Being annoyed that you can't get reservations at your home resort at the last minute is kind of silly since I think we'd all be in a LOT more trouble if it became easy to get any reservation you want at a minute's notice. All of that availability would come back to bite members who haven't booked yet this year, but right now DVC does a pretty good job of balancing point costs and availablity.

The fact that OKW consistently has the most availability in MY experience is due to its size and nothing else. We have had to settle twice for OKW... the first time we got the last studio for our dates about 6 weeks in advance, the second time the only thing available was a 1 bedroom (no studio) and this was for a long weekend. That's hardly the picture of a resort that is languishing because even its own owners don't want to stay there.

Anyway, I could say more but I'll stop there. I see this is just another excuse to resort bash and many of the comments are no better nor less inflammatory than what some of the more notorious BWV bashers say. We have really good friends who own at OKW and we still manage to be friends and all love our resorts without anyone having an inferiority complex, I wonder sometimes why this board can't be the same way.

 

[Desperado]

Originally posted by PamOKW
Personally, I don't find any of the "jokes" aimed at belittling any of the resorts cute or clever. I think it is divisive and a little juvenile. I feel that way about some of the "jokes" in this thread and the "jokes" that have been made about other resorts in the past. Constantly seeking to cut down other resorts is not my idea of a fun or productive sharing of information.

Sharing one's opinion about pros and cons of a resort is a way to help each other decide which resort to try next -- criticizing another's taste and trying to bend their opinions to suit one's own is pointless. I don't think the hallways at BWV are too long, I don't think the road is too close to BCV, I don't think VWL is too dark and I don't think OKW is either "old" or located somewhere near Atlanta. I love them all -- including Vero and HHI and the beauty of DVC is that we are free to enjoy all of them, some of them or just one.

Do you think there is more availability for OKW accomodations than other resort accomodations or do you think that demand is equal?

If you discuss this issue with MS representatives, do you get feedback from them that OKW has greater availability or that there is the generally the same availability at all resorts? It's not a joke, its not cutting down other resorts, it's not criticizing another's taste and trying to bend their opinions to suit one's own, or any of this other avoidance language. You stated:

Originally posted by PamOKW
However, I don't think changes at OKW willl have much of an effect on current usage patterns. I don't buy into the premise that it is OKW members not using OKW that effects usage patterns.

Is it your opinion that there is a difference in the level of demand of OKW compared to other WDW DVC resorts and that it's easier to make reservations at OKW than other DVC places? (before we ever speculate what the cause is, do you think the difference exists?)

The fact that OKW consistently has the most availability in MY experience is due to its size and nothing else. We have had to settle twice for OKW... the first time we got the last studio for our dates about 6 weeks in advance, the second time the only thing available was a 1 bedroom

here's another example of a difference in demand levels. there's speculation as to the reason, but a statement that the difference exists. Even if it is absolutely soley due to size, why not take positive, non-punitive, non-limiting steps to equalize demand levels. What's the harm?

I think Desperado and DeeP are WAY off on this one. OKW is not an inferior resort

Hold on there, I didn't say that older OKW is an inferior resort overall. I shared my personal preference, but I have repeatedly referred to OKW resort availability and demand, and cited discussions with MS as my reference, along with stories posted above. There's lots of things to like about older OKW, can we add more things to increase demand and degree that members choose OKW for thier vacations. At 4.5 years older than BWV, and at almost 1/3 it's initial contract term (is it 12 years old?), what is the harm in talking about some potential improvements that may equalize demand levels.

many of the comments are no better nor less inflammatory than what some of the more notorious BWV bashers say.

whos that? where are they? lurking?

 

[MiaSRN62]

You Have GOT to be kidding!!!!!!!!! No one can say anything even remotely negative concerning OKW on this board without getting blasted.

Oh puleeeeze. I was referrring simply and exclusively to this thread in reference to Desperado stating OKW owners are defensive in talking about "improvements" to OKW in THIS thread. First of all, it wasn't even the topic of this thread. The fact that alot of us chose not to join in and list what we feel could be improved had nothing to do with those folks being defensive (in reference to THIS thread).
In addition, I have seen owners of just about ALL the DVC resorts get up-in-arms about remarks across this board and that includes BWV, OKW and BCV in particular. So it's not just that OKW owners can't stand hearing negativity about that resort.....I've seen many a BWV owner (a couple right here in this present thread in fact), get quite a bit in a tizzy when anything was said about (i.e.) BWV.

Why must your characterize a positive solution of improving OKW as some resort war, who's got the best resort.

I did no such thing Desperado.....simply stated the topic of "improvements" would be better off in another thread. I'm sure that subject line would get alot of attention.

This isn't a discussion of the pros and cons of resorts, talk about off topic. Chriticising one's taste in buying a resort? Where the heck did you read that? man-o-man, I guess one just makes stuff up as they go along, huh?

Ya lost me on this comment........what did I make up ? If you're referring to the comment I made : <<<<<I've been a Vistana timeshare owner since '94 and would get comments like "staying offsite stinks" and "offsite timeshares are the worst", etc on the boards. Now that I've been a DVC Member for 3 years, I still feel like I'm getting similar comments and into similar debates because my home resort is OKW. It's crazy.>>>>>> This was just a side comment to show how my experience in owning an offsite timeshare somewhat parallels what I see in this thread (and others on this board). This comes from the comments you made about OKW needing improvements to "attract it's owners to stay there"(like, how dare we venture off to another resort) and again in reference to it not being child-friendly and on par with a retirement community. We finally took the DVC plunge (and happy with this decision I might add) three years ago after reading how bad our offsite timeshare was and how we weren't getting the "true Disney experience" and now I feel like OKW isn't on par with the other "more expensive dues" resorts.
This is totally OT (in keeping with a good portion of the rest of this thread), but I've also heard OKW is no way near as "deluxe" as all the other DVC resorts. So I just feel like I'm back in the same boat. So you wonder where I got this from ? That I'm making it up as I go along ? I do feel this thread did start off, in a way, as pros and cons of the DVC resorts----it was definitely made out that OKW owners really didn't have any right using up the more expensive DVC resorts ressies with their cheaper dues---particularily people who bought specifically for that reason. Well, that's the way the DVC Membership is presented to potential buyers and people have the right to do that if that's what works for them.

 

[MiaSRN62]

Sorry....I didn't put my comment correctly in quotes so it didn't show up in my post just previous to this one. Here was my comment I was referring to and the one I think Desperado was referring to when he asked me : "Why must your characterize a positive solution of improving OKW as some resort war, who's got the best resort."

I've been a Vistana timeshare owner since '94 and would get comments like "staying offsite stinks" and "offsite timeshares are the worst", etc on the boards. Now that I've been a DVC Member for 3 years, I still feel like I'm getting similar comments and into similar debates because my home resort is OKW. It's crazy. We're all one big DVC family.

 

[FredS]

What should one do if a poster is going in little circles and trying to tick you off? Ignore, ignore, ignore.

I would not buy the "cheapest" home resort because there are no guarantees as to what that will actually be in the long run. Dues will rise and fall and in my opinion are not a real factor as they will ultimately be in the same ballpark. I think that it is more important to buy where you want to stay because of the potential problem in booking in the future and if you are happy at only one particular resort then you should definitely buy there to save yourself disappointment should the 11/7 month windows begin to be a real problem. I am unaware of any real need for "equalization" of utilization of the resorts.

I have never personally experienced a problem in booking what I want when I want, and that includes BCV the week during and after Memorial Day weekend less than three months out, and BWV standard view, during F&W festival/MNSSHP time, six months out. As OKW is much larger than the other resorts it stands to reason that you would have the potential for more availability there, and you have to factor in those DVC members who try new resorts as they open, then go back to OKW. My choice varies depending on time of year, special events, composition of group traveling, etc.

No resort is perfect and I would have a few minor alterations for each, mostly a matter of personal preference, not a fault. If any one of the four onsite DVC resorts was the only one I expect that I would still be a member!

 

[Desperado]

Originally posted by FredS
What should one do if a poster is going in little circles and trying to tick you off? Ignore, ignore, ignore.

If your referring to me, FredS, I'm not trying to tick anyone off, just get some straight forward responses. My posts have been repetative because of avoidance, evasiveness and unwilliness to address the direct questions, at the same time condemming, and attacking the poster, instead of the subject, reviving posts from 6-8 pages back that have been deleted long ago when we were back 6-8 pages ago.

As OKW is much larger than the other resorts it stands to reason that you would have the potential for more availability there, and you have to factor in those DVC members who try new resorts as they open, then go back to OKW.

So does this mean that you agree that there is more availability at OKW than at the other resorts? Do you find this to be true when speaking with MS?

What is the harm in taking active steps to level the demand and improve the older OKW resort. If it is the absolute best resort in the entire system because of all its perks, still, what is the harm in improving it and adding a few more perks as a positive solution to the OP topic of inequity in demand between resorts?

it ain't circles, it's consistent, positive and targeted. The response is avoidance, defensiveness, attacks and diversions.

If there is inequity in demand regardless of the cause, what's the harm in trying to fix it?

you have to factor in those DVC members who try new resorts as they open, then go back to OKW

Are you suggesting there is a difference in demand but that it is temporary and OKW owners will eventually return to preferring thier home resort at the same level other owners prefer thier home resorts, thus stablizing demand?

 

[mrszrw]

Desp- You must be right about everything! Everyone else is wrong for having thier own opinions about okw.

Why not just end it here and move on ! I just bought into SSR a few weeks ago and I can't wait to stay at OKW sometime in the future reguardless of a slide, sofabed or any other terrible issues that it may have. I'm sure it will still be very worth every cent I put into DVC.

What does every one think can we all just be friends and move on.

 

[DeeP]

Originally posted by MiaSRN62

In addition, I have seen owners of just about ALL the DVC resorts get up-in-arms about remarks across this board and that includes BWV, OKW and BCV in particular. So it's not just that OKW owners can't stand hearing negativity about that resort.....I've seen many a BWV owner (a couple right here in this present thread in fact), get quite a bit in a tizzy when anything was said about (i.e.) BWV.

The BWV, BCV, etc owners that get all in a tizzy (myself included) get all in a tizzy when blatent lies are posted repeatedly about BWV, BCV etc and their owners. Blatent lies like the halls are 5 miles long, the members are slobs who keep trash in the halls, the owners are poor trash who can not afford cameras, the owners are stupid or embarassed about spending so much money on their membership or buying their membership where they did, etc., etc. I could go on and on.
I have been reading this board for just as long as anyone else around here and a lot longer than many people on this board and I have NEVER seen any belittling comments regarding OKW or its owners that can even compare to what has been posted about BWV, BCV, VB, HH etc and their owners. If you have examples of this type of belittling, downgrading and blatent lies that has been posted about OKW please repost some examples here because I would love to see them.

 

[Desperado]

Originally posted by mrszrw
Desp- You must be right about everything! Everyone else is wrong for having thier own opinions about okw.

I'm not claiming to be right about everything, I'm asking straight forward questions, and you continue to avoid and divert. You haven't espressed any opinion regarding whether it would be OK to make some improvements at OKW and what those improvements might be, or whether you think the demand is not equal. You've responded with every avoiding and diversionary response possible, including the above.

I'm not trying to not be friends, why avoid by moving on instead of responding to straightforward questions. What's the harm in making some improvements, one you prersonally suggest yourself (if you'll respond to the repeated question) and OKW owners vote on at OKW?

This solution fixes the OP issue in a positive, non-resort competitive way IMHO. Let OKW shine out as the absolute best by making some positive changes? What improvement would increase the desirability of the OKW resort?

Why is it so taboo to discuss some possible OKW improvements (especially when it addresses OP concern of unequal demand)?

 

[DeeP]

I see this is just another excuse to resort bash and many of the comments are no better nor less inflammatory than what some of the more notorious BWV bashers say.

I disagree, I do not see any comments on this thread that are anyway near as belittling or downgrading as some of the comments that have been posted about BWV, BCV, VB, HH and VWL.
BTW, I also have good friends that own at OKW and we have managed to remain friends also. I can't help it if they got the lesser of the DVC resorts, but ignorance is bliss and they are happy, so who am I to say anything! LOL!

 

[mrszrw]

I gave no opinion on okw since I have yet to stay there. it sounds to me like you might be bitter about DVC and if you don't like the things the way they are. Then Sell and Move on! I'm sure someone who will be thankful to be lucky enough to own part of the Disney Magic will take over your points.

Everything thing and everybody in life needs improvement. If you friends Sister needed a nose job would you push your friend to admitt that her sister is ugly. I would hope not so why push people to say there is something wrong with the huge investment that they made into their vacation future? We all made a choice based on what was best for each of us. you either like okw or you don't. End of story unless you own at Okw. If you do and your not happy with your home resort then sell and buy where you are happy.

In honor of the holiday I think we should stop here and all be thankful the we are fortunate enough to have enough Money to buy into DVC when others scrape pennies to get buy everyday.

 

[PamOKW]

Desperado -- If you are going to take people's posts and use "quotes" and then respond to those quotes, please be consistent in either attributing them or not. You've got quotes of mine, with my name attached, mixed into the same post that includes quotes that are not mine but are not attributed to their owners. People may think all the quotes are mine.

One last example. I would like to use BWV in it but I do not have the number of vacation homes available there, so I will use BCV.

Both BCV and OKW are fully booked by their members prior to the 7 month window. Let's say, DVC knows that 1% of all reservations are cancelled by people due to illness, work, etc. At BCV, 2 of 208 Homes are available for all DVC'ers. At OKW, 5 of 531 Homes are available for all DVC'ers. There is more than twice the availability at OKW than there is at BCV only because...now pay attention....the resort is bigger!

 

[Desperado]

Originally posted by mrszrw
it sounds to me like you might be bitter about DVC and if you don't like the things the way they are. Then Sell and Move on!
I'm sure someone who will be thankful to be lucky enough to own part of the Disney Magic will take over your points.

I'm suppose to sell my points because you are unable to answer direct questions about possible improvements for OKW? Get a grip.

Everything thing and everybody in life needs improvement.

Exactly

If you friends Sister needed a nose job would you push your friend to admitt that her sister is ugly. I would hope not so why push people to say there is something wrong with the huge investment that they made into their vacation future?

ahhhhh..... so if you would suggest that OKW could use some improvement, you'd be admitting that OKW has faults (your word was 'ugly'). Sorry, but that's twisted. I'm not trying to trick you into some grandious admission of faults, just a discussion about possible improvements to resolve the issues raised. If your that self conscious about some supposed "admission" about some timeshare shortcommings, please, get a grip, it's not that huge a deal. You said "Everything thing and everybody in life needs improvement." so what improvements could be made at OKW?

We all made a choice based on what was best for each of us. you either like okw or you don't. End of story unless you own at Okw. If you do and your not happy with your home resort then sell and buy where you are happy.

of course you did, I'm not even really talking about ownership, I'm talking about reservation demand and leveling out the demand between resorts for vacation requests, regardless of where you own. You don't have to sell your points just to avoid a polite discussion about some possible OKW improvements. that doesn't make sense. it's not black and white you like it or you don't people people on the fence could like it more than they currently do.

In honor of the holiday I think we should stop here and all be thankful the we are fortunate enough to have enough Money to buy into DVC when others scrape pennies to get buy everyday.

Because you cannot support your position and have to resort to avoiding, diverting and evading a simple straightforward question about possible resort improvement? And I'm suppose to sell my points because your afraid that by offering improvement suggestions your admitting the resort has some weaknesses (ugly as you put it?)? This post is one of your most far out in left field posts. All resorts have pros and cons, what in the world is the big deal? So what, OKW has some cons compared to other resorts, other resorts rooms are smaller, what is with this huge unwritten taboo about OKW improvement suggestions?

I'm not bitter, I'm suggesting making it better. What's the big deal?

 

[Desperado]

Originally posted by PamOKW
One last example. I would like to use BWV in it but I do not have the number of vacation homes available there, so I will use BCV.

Both BCV and OKW are fully booked by their members prior to the 7 month window. Let's say, DVC knows that 1% of all reservations are cancelled by people due to illness, work, etc. At BCV, 2 of 208 Homes are available for all DVC'ers. At OKW, 5 of 531 Homes are available for all DVC'ers. There is more than twice the availability at OKW than there is at BCV only because...now pay attention....the resort is bigger!

How does this apply to the situation where BWV is full (100%), BCV is full (100%), WLV is full (100%), but there are still accomodations at OKW (less than 100%)? Even if the resort is bigger since it is sold out, shouldn't it be at 100% at the same time the other resorts are at 100%, not much later? The example you provided just doesnt make the point.

Why not make some improvements to an already very nice resort to make it even better? What might those improvements be that would make OKW even more desirable than it already is now? Why is it such a huge taboo to list some potential OKW improvements?

Even though OKW is very nice, a couple of things that would make OKW even nicer would be _______ [fill in the blank].

 

[RobDoc]

Originally posted by Desperado

And again, time after time, it avoids the discussion of the possible solution, improvements for OKW. Even if it is the absolute best resort out of all of them, some things could be improved as an attempt to even out resort demand. Why is it impossible to raise the question and directly answer the solution. Sorry, but that's excessive defensiveness.

Why can't some accept that some owners like their resort (whether it's OKW, BWV, VWL, BCV, HH or VB) just the way it is?

Some keep harping on the "need" for a solution and have yet to provide anything but secondhand, anecdotal "evidence" that there is even a problem. The supposed phone "surveys" of the CM's at MS are hardly convincing that there is a problem. Thanks, but I'll wait until DVC sends a letter of concern to all OKW owners before worrying that there is a problem that requires attention.

DVC has the total responsibility to maintain ALL of the resorts with regard to utilization. If there is a discrepancy that requires attention , I'll depend on DVC to seek suggestion and offer solution to any identified problem. If, as has been suggested, many CM's are aware of a problem, I'm confident that DVC is working on a solution at this moment.

I've asked for evidence in this very thread and have yet to have a response from Desperado. If your evidence consists only of your personal opinion that OKW is underutilized, please just say it's just "YOUR OPINION". Thus far you've not owned up to that, but have edited posts frequently after being called on the comments you've made. (I even quoted one of your edits in a post prior to your changing your own words.) If you have some statement from DVC that addresses a concern that OKW is underutilized, then please share that correspondence.

If something is enjoyed as is, that's NOT "excessive defensiveness"- it's called acceptance.

Much ado about nothing.

For those who feel that there have been"blatant lies" about BWV or any other resort, please consider that while those criticsms may have been blatant exaggerations, the criticism offered in this post in the guise of seeking suggestion may appear to be every bit as negative as the comments by that one poster. If you feel that someone has posted incorrect information about a resort or DVC policy, feel free to offer a differing opinion or, better yet, a fact quoted from DVC information. A simple rebuttal is often more appreciated and effective.

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