Why my most recent experience at California Grill will probably be my last.

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I used to eat at California Grill every time I was in town (from 1995, usually 1-2 times a month and sometimes more often). Since Chef Cliff Pleau and GM George Milliotes left 3-4 years ago, service and quality have gone downhill so much so that I rarely go there any more. My most recent experience there is likely to be my last.

Disney Food and Beverage (in general) and California Grill (in particular) seem to tweak policies on a regular basis to ensure the worst possible guest experience. Starting with moving the check in downstairs (making it painful to go at the last minute for drinks and sushi at the bar), adding a randomly enforced dress code, charging $20 a person for reservations, etc., etc.

In the last year, I have eaten at every one of Emeril Lagasse's restaurants (I am usually at one of these restaurant several times a month), at Mario Batali's Babbo Ristorante, Rick Bayless's Frontera Grill and quite a few other high end restaurants. Not one charges $20 a person for reservations, most either have no dress code at all, or a recommendation of smart or business casual. All have much better service and food.

Even Emeril's Tchoup Chop at Universal's Royal Pacific Hotel, a mid-priced restaurant has more courteous staff and higher quality food, than California Grill.

We arrived at check-in around 7:00 on Monday evening after spending the day wandering around the Photo Marketing Association trade show at the Orlando Convention center and the late afternoon and early evening walking around Magic Kingdom. The Cast Member at check-in asked if we had reservations and I replied that we did not, but just wanted to go to the bar for drinks and sushi. She said that we should wait for the elevator and that another Cast Member would take us up to the restaurant, but that my colleague would have to remove his hat. I explained that he was an observant Jew and that he always keeps his head covered. She just sneered at us.

We waited for the elevator. When it arrived, the Cast Member inside, went over to the check in desk and conferred with her associate while we waited in the elevator. She returned and as we rode up to the restaurant, she again told my colleague that he would have to remove his hat (she did not welcome us to the restaurant, ask us if we had been there before, or explain anything else). I again explained that he wore his hat for religious reasons. Once again, I received a condescending look, but nothing further was said. When we arrived on fifteen, she went to speak to the hosts and managers at podium and we went to the bar and sat down, finding only a few tables occupied. Within moments of sitting down, another Cast Member came over to us from the podium area and once again told my colleague that he would have to remove his hat (still no welcome, just more orders).

I again explained and she left (no welcome, apology, explanation of the restaurant, or even a goodbye).

Next our waiter came up and again told my colleague that he would have to remove his hat (still no welcome). I again explained, and he started to walk away with out asking if we would like anything to drink or eat! When he turned his back and started to walk away, I said, we would like to order some drinks and see a sushi menu. He turned back and asked what we would like to drink. I asked for water and the reserve wine list, my colleague ordered an ice tea. Even though there were many open two and four top tables, he did not ask us if we would like to sit in the restaurant. He returned with two menus, and our drinks.

I ordered a spicy tuna roll and my colleague ordered a salad. I also ordered a bottle of Qupe Syrah ($65). Our waiter repeated our order, but instead of my spicy tuna roll he substituted something from the menu that had crab and some other shellfish in it, I explained, that I just wanted a standard spicy tuna roll (as I did not eat shellfish). He again offered a different item from the menu that I could not eat (also contained shellfish). I patiently explained that I just wanted a plain spicy tuna roll. He said fine and left.

He returned with our wine and although my water glass was empty, he did not refill it. As we sat and drank waiting for our food, a manager came over and again told my colleague that he would have to remove his hat. He did not welcome us to the restaurant or anything else. Given that we had drinks in front of us, he had to have known that we had already spoken to at least 3 Cast Members (check in desk, elevator, waiter, and food runner), but did not bother to ask any of them about his hat (or worse, did ask them and spoke to us anyway). By this time I was angry. I calmly explained that I had already told the previous four Cast Members that asked what the situation was (again explaining the religious issue), and said that if it was not that I saw our food coming, I would just have left right then. He said, that he did not realize that someone had already spoken to us (which must have meant that he either thought that we had brought our own bottle of wine and glasses, that we had stolen someone else's or that this policy is so randomly enforced that he could not have expected the previous 3 staff members to have explained it to us).

Shortly thereafter, our food arrived. My spicy tuna roll, was completely bland. Even with all my wasabi it was almost flavor-less. Our wait asked if our food was OK and I explained that my spicy tuna roll was neither spicy nor flavor-ful and asked for some more wasabi. He said OK and left (my water glass is still empty in case you were not following this). He returned with some extra wasabi and turned to leave. I asked if I could get some more water. He said yes and soon returned to fill my glass.

He never refilled it again, even though I emptied it almost while I was standing there.

We finished our wine and food, and our plates were cleared. He asked if we would like anything else, we said no, just the check.

He did not ask anything about our experience, never responded to my comment about the spicy tuna roll, or interact with us in any other way.

I asked my colleague to meet me downstairs and I stopped one of the managers and asked to who the managers there reported. She explained that they reported to the hotel F&B manager. I said thank you and asked her for that person's name. She wrote that name down on her card (as it turns out she was the new General Manager - she did not tell me that, I discovered it when I read the front of her card). She asked why I was asking and I said I wanted to convey how bad my experiences there were. She asked if I had already spoken to a manager, and I explained that one of the managers was in fact part of the problem, and told her what happened. She did not apologize, but said that she was surprised that it had happened that way because the elevator Cast Member had spoken to her and she had said it was fine.

It did not seem to bother her that three other Cast Members (including one of her managers) had ignored her and hassled us over it. She did not apologize but said that she hoped my next experience there was better.

I replied that I was unlikely to have another experience there as I did not expect to ever return. She said that she was sorry about that (it felt like she was disappointed about her lost revenue, not my experience).

I was very glad that I was eating with a colleague not a potential customer and that he had suggested that we go there. Had it been my suggestion, I would have been even more embarrassed and angry about how we were treated.

Two other comments.

We arrived at 7:00 and left at 8:45. The whole time we were there, there were open seats at the sushi bar, there were open tables in the restaurant and open chairs and tables in the bar. Three years ago, there were never any open seats. I am not sure if this is due to their new policies or just the decline in quality of experience (although at $20 a person without having to deliver any service, maybe their profit margins have gone up).

While we were eating, at least two other families came in with adult males wearing hats. I am not sure if they were or were not asked to remove them or if my colleague was singled out because he stated that he was Jewish.
 
That is a horrid excuse for service. I waitressed at a sportsbar (not exactly sophistication by any means) and every idiot knows that service keeps people coming back even if food is mediocore! A smile and have a good day will get you pretty far in life, seems like they need to instill the basics, starting with thier managment!
 
Sorry to hear about your experience. I have always looked forward to dinner at the CG. But even with far more infrequent visits than yours we noticed a downturn in food and service quality so much so that when we vacationed last June the CG was off our list of "must dos". Well we have another WDW trip planned in two weeks including a return CG visit. We are hopeful of an improvement and are really looking forward to giving CG another try. pixiedust:
 
We ate there a few years ago and loved it and now you have me worried.

We are on the dining plan and nothing was mentioned about the $20 dollars. Am I right in assuming that its included. They did take my credit card information when we reserved. Anyone else been there lately and had a good experience????? For 2 credits we could cancel and do CRT or even a dinner show.
 

First of all, great post. I really hope you resolved something with CA Grill, atleast for some peace of mind. I had an awful experience my first visit (food, staff, service was awful) and ended up talking to a manger that ended up having us back for dinner on them. They set us up with the best table in the house (if there is one) and a top notch server. I have to say the second time around we were pleasantly suprised. I have also dined at del posto, babbo, lupa, mesa grill, etc. I would also agree that tchop thcop is better than CA Grill. The reason I will still go there is not neccesarily for the food...but for the experience (fireworks, view, etc) That being said I understand why you would never go back. I believe the food has gone down hill and the decor is outdated. ON another note...if you are looking for GREAT SUSHI I would recomned Morimotos's in Philly...amazing. His new place just opened in NYC but I have yet to go. take care
Jarrett
 
budbeerlady said:
That is a horrid excuse for service. I waitressed at a sportsbar (not exactly sophistication by any means) and every idiot knows that service keeps people coming back even if food is mediocore! A smile and have a good day will get you pretty far in life, seems like they need to instill the basics, starting with thier managment!

Funny you should say that. Last night I met some other friends at the Ale House at 535 and 436 for dinner. I am not a big fan of their food, but my friends wanted to go and so I did. From when we walked in, all aspects of their service were outstanding. Our waiter (Nathan), was very friendly, and spent quite a bit of time describing their different beers to one of our group. While we were eating, two different managers came by to make sure everything was going well.

After we paid our check and two of our party had left, Nathan came back several times to refill our water and iced tea. When we left, we dropped $10 on the table for his extra service. That brought our total with tax and tip (25%) and his extra $10 to $70 for 4 people. This was less than what either of us had spent for dinner with just 20% tip at California Grill.

I would happily recommend That Ale House again, while I will tell anyone that asks to stay away from California Grill.

/carmi
 
I just wanted to mention that the $20 charge is not an upfront reservations charge--it is the amount they will charge your credit card only if you do not show up for your reservation. That is why they take your cc # when you make the reservation. They do the same thing for CRT, PSB, and Hoop de doo, that I know of.

I have always had top notch service and excellent food at California Grill. I would have been beyond furious if I had an experience such as the one described in the original post.
 
liamsaunt said:
I just wanted to mention that the $20 charge is not an upfront reservations charge--it is the amount they will charge your credit card only if you do not show up for your reservation. That is why they take your cc # when you make the reservation. They do the same thing for CRT, PSB, and Hoop de doo, that I know of.

actually crt and hoop de do are prepaid. but yeah, they dont charge the $20, that again is just a guarentee, and if you do NOT show up or cancel in the 24 hour cancelation policy then that is when you are charged the $20. :)
 
Now that you said that I seem to remember her saying that when we made our ADRs. I think we will keep it. My mother is going with us, as is our 14 year old and they have never been up there so as long as the food is good we should be fine.
 
It's amazing how different two people's expereinces can be. I also went to Cali Grill while in town for the Photo Marketing trade show with 10 clients and had a WONDERFUL experience.

The manager, Gary, as outstanding and very accomodating and the bartender Laurie was great as well. We had a fantastic meal and the clients were very, very happy.

In fact, people commetned throught the rest of the show how much they loved the potatoes au gratin that came with the filet dish (we all tried a small bite).
 
liamsaunt said:
I just wanted to mention that the $20 charge is not an upfront reservations charge--it is the amount they will charge your credit card only if you do not show up for your reservation. That is why they take your cc # when you make the reservation. They do the same thing for CRT, PSB, and Hoop de doo, that I know of.

They say that they will bill you even if your party size changes (e.g. I book a party of 4 and only two are able to make it or even more odd you book 4 and 6 show up). I can understand saying that it might take us a bit to find you a table (as you need a size we did not plan on using), but to charge me money for that is offensive.

I also think it is funny that they do not guarantee you that they will seat you within 20 minutes of your reservation, but if you show up 20 minutes late, you will be billed as a no show.

I have always had top notch service and excellent food at California Grill. I would have been beyond furious if I had an experience such as the one described in the original post.

While this was certainly my worst experience, it is just the latest in a declining series of experiences.

/carmi
 
I am certainly sorry about your experience. There was no reason for you to be harrassed like that. That is awful and I would have been WAY louder after being treated that way. You have more patience than I.

I feel a bit better. When I went in 2003 I found it to be over rated and the sushi was really substandard. The ginger was old, the fish was tasteless, just not good quality.

I was going to put it back in rotation but will now keep it out in favor of Blue Zoo for my next trip.
 
A very poor experience, indeed. If I received service that careless and aloof, I would never return.
 
Thanks for posting. I also live in NY and have been to many top rated restaurants as well as Emeril's restaurants in NOLA and Orlando. Emerils restaurants were both far superior to CG IMHO.
 
CA Grill has never been a top restaurant at disney, as far as we are concerned. The food has always been sub-standard. We just figured people got wrapped up in the atmosphere and fireworks so they didn't mind paying for mediocre food..lol.

We find Emeril's to be hit and miss.

Tchoup Chop..never misses..oustanding every time we go.
 
TwingleMum said:
Thanks for posting. I also live in NY and have been to many top rated restaurants as well as Emeril's restaurants in NOLA and Orlando. Emerils restaurants were both far superior to CG IMHO.

I was just at Emeril's in NOLA two weeks ago Saturday. First time there since Katerina. We ate at the Kitchen Table and had an amazing time.

New Orleans is very strange right now. A friend of mine described it as Berlin after the war. Some places you go there is no sign that anything happened. Some places are totally leveled. Sometimes you will be driving through an area that looks untouched and then all of a sudden there will be no lights.

Also, there are troops all over. Saw almost as many Humvees as on my last reserve deployment to Bagdad (fortunately, no one except Mayor Nagin has tried to blow themselves up).

/carmi
 
Our dining experience at CG in November was top notch. I'm sorry you had such a horrible visit there. While we will return without hesitation, I certainly understand why you will not.

--penny
 
Maybe I missed something, but why were you speaking for your friend? After numerous requests to remove his hat, why wasn't he the one doing the explaining?
 
Sorry to hear about your horrible experience at CG. We ate there last October & December and had great service and food. It was our top restaurant on both trips.
 
LindsayDunn228 said:
Maybe I missed something, but why were you speaking for your friend? After numerous requests to remove his hat, why wasn't he the one doing the explaining?

I wondered that too!

I have a stupid question. What kind of hat was he wearing that wasn't recognizable as a religious garment?
 
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