Why I'm not liking the points change

[rutgers1]

I just did the math at my home resort, SSR. At first, I said, "Well, it stinks if you want a studio since the weekly points go up in every season but Premier, but it is good if you are in a 1BR, since points go DOWN in every season but Premier."

But the real bummer is when you consider staying beyond a week. That is where you get the kick in the pants with the raised weekday rates. No one - or perhaps I should say few people - stay 9 days with 2 weekends. Rather, you usually stay 1 full week (with a weekend) and then spill out into the next few weekdays. In that scenario, you lose with this new setup, as the savings from the weekend are quickly eaten up.

In other words, although I was happy to see that a SSR 1BR in Adventure season went down FIVE points for a week, you lose your savings if you decide to spill over 2 days into the next week. Forget it if you decide to stay all the way until the next weekend.

This chart only helps people who:
1) were only going to stay weekends
2) only spend 1 week

If you are a weekday traveler, it rarely works in your favor, and if you are someone who stays over a week and into the next week, you are really scr*wed.

 

[rutgers1]

Whoops...Meant to add this to the longer thread.

 

[CDNmouse]

The new points allocation probably won't effect us too much. We have been Sunday - Thursday DVC'ers and will continue to do so. This gives us two trip a year and even with that this year we have 68 points left.

So next year we will just have fewer points left to bank, oh well ....

We are probably the excption, as we bought our points via resale. If we had bought direct we probably would have just bought enough for our current travel plans and would now be in a pickle.

I guess having some buffer points is a good thing for us. I can see that this will be a new sales strategy by DVC sales reps, once you have decided how many points you wat they are goinng try and upsell you 25% more as buffer points and will point out the current situation.

Gary

 

[alldiz]

I just did the math at my home resort, SSR. At first, I said, "Well, it stinks if you want a studio since the weekly points go up in every season but Premier, but it is good if you are in a 1BR, since points go DOWN in every season but Premier."But the real bummer is when you consider staying beyond a week. That is where you get the kick in the pants with the raised weekday rates. No one - or perhaps I should say few people - stay 9 days with 2 weekends. Rather, you usually stay 1 full week (with a weekend) and then spill out into the next few weekdays. In that scenario, you lose with this new setup, as the savings from the weekend are quickly eaten up.

In other words, although I was happy to see that a SSR 1BR in Adventure season went down FIVE points for a week, you lose your savings if you decide to spill over 2 days into the next week. Forget it if you decide to stay all the way until the next weekend.

This chart only helps people who:
1) were only going to stay weekends
2) only spend 1 week

If you are a weekday traveler, it rarely works in your favor, and if you are someone who stays over a week and into the next week, you are really scr*wed.

For me at WLV it is the opposite....the 1BR's have gone UP in every season....including weekends I believe.
Kerri

 

[La2kw]

I just did the math at my home resort, SSR. At first, I said, "Well, it stinks if you want a studio since the weekly points go up in every season but Premier, but it is good if you are in a 1BR, since points go DOWN in every season but Premier."

But the real bummer is when you consider staying beyond a week. That is where you get the kick in the pants with the raised weekday rates. No one - or perhaps I should say few people - stay 9 days with 2 weekends. Rather, you usually stay 1 full week (with a weekend) and then spill out into the next few weekdays. In that scenario, you lose with this new setup, as the savings from the weekend are quickly eaten up.

In other words, although I was happy to see that a SSR 1BR in Adventure season went down FIVE points for a week, you lose your savings if you decide to spill over 2 days into the next week. Forget it if you decide to stay all the way until the next weekend.

This chart only helps people who:
1) were only going to stay weekends
2) only spend 1 week

If you are a weekday traveler, it rarely works in your favor, and if you are someone who stays over a week and into the next week, you are really scr*wed.

I agree 100%. We usually stayed a week, plus 5 weekdays into the next week. Occasionally, we would stay sun-thurs and visit the beach on the weekends to extend our trip. My stays are now going to have to be at least 1 day shorter than my previous stays for the past 15 years. In essence, my points are worth less in 2010 than they were when I bought them in 1994. In addition, the selling point of being able to stay for as little as 1 night has less value, since that one night now costs more. DVC is becoming another run of the mill timeshare, moving towards one week stays.

 

[tink too]

We specifically bought to stay for 2 whole weeks (including weekends ) and will not be happy if we won't be able to do so in the future. Especially since we were told before we bought in that the points never changed!

 

[vicki_c]

No one - or perhaps I should say few people - stay 9 days with 2 weekends.
.

I guess we're the exception! This is how we travel most often. We try to maximize our time at WDW, and minimize how much vacation time we have to take. That usually leads to a Friday night/Saturday arrival for us, and returning home the following Sunday.

I wouldn't be surprised to think that many families with not a lot of vacation time, or issues with kids and school vacation this way.

I'm sure quite a few people might move around to avoid the weekend points (just like they did before the changes because they're still a lot higher than weeknights), but we're not one of them -- I'd rather spend the points that switch resorts.

 

[lbren]

We were also told the points would never change

 

[Disnydad]

Won't affect me much as I have a hard time using the points I have.

 

[Oshawa]

We were also told the points would never change

We were also told by our guide that the points would never change. What a disappointment I thought Disney would be different from the other time share companies.

 

[wildernessDad]

It's the TOTAL number of points on a chart that cannot change, but they can adjust them, move them around as long as the total is constant.

 

[Silver Queen]

When we made our purchase our guide was also very clear that the points could be rearranged but the total had to stay the same.

 

[TreesyB]

When we made our purchase our guide was also very clear that the points could be rearranged but the total had to stay the same.

I was told the same thing by my guide. I'd be interested in seeing which guides said what.

Anyway, I didn't buy my points based on a certain stay, but on how much i was willing to shell out for vacations. I know change is often hard, but I'm of the mind that variety is good even for vacations. I'm actually happy that I won't feel so bad (wasting extra points) for staying weekends now, and will probably do more of them, and more 1 BR stays since the differential isn't so big anymore.

 

[DisneyWhirled]

I guess we're the exception! This is how we travel most often. We try to maximize our time at WDW, and minimize how much vacation time we have to take. That usually leads to a Friday night/Saturday arrival for us, and returning home the following Sunday.

I wouldn't be surprised to think that many families with not a lot of vacation time, or issues with kids and school vacation this way.

I'm sure quite a few people might move around to avoid the weekend points (just like they did before the changes because they're still a lot higher than weeknights), but we're not one of them -- I'd rather spend the points that switch resorts.

We are right with you!! We travel the same way, and don't want to move mid-stay!

Also, our guide was clear that the points could change.

 

[gracelrm]

We bought in 2001 and our guide was very specific in telling us that points could change - but where they went up, they had to come down someplace else. She explained that the total number of points could never change - so we were aware this was a possibility - wish it hadn't happened, but were aware it could.

 

[Nikisha421]

i really need to take the time to look at these charts, i bought hoping to make at least 3 sun thru thrusday trips 15 nights that great, so i hope i can still afford that if not then i will scale back and start to explore other parks of the USA and the world.

i will probably still only go on sunday thru thursday trips my trip for Presidents day 2010 will cost me 50 pts if i stay in a value but 81 if i stay savannah view like i would want to...the same trip this year only cost 73 pts..who knows.

 

[Moeluv4u7]

Our guide did also tell us the points total wouldn't change but could be allocated differently at anytime- We just didn't think it would be as soon as we bought in-
Again, I am still pleased with our DVC decision-
Although... We detest RCI and didn't count on that taking place but we would have not used an II option for quite a few years- NOW we will never use RCI but I really hate that DVC and RCI are even associated with each other again... I was quite pleased to know that there was no association together when we bought- If RCI was a part of DVC last year we would not have bought- That is the truth! RCI has unethical business practices and we will never support them!
But, I have to say, our guide was very up front with all of my questions and did tell us that RCI and Disney was linked in the past- He didn't know at that time if it would or could happen again-
He did tell us with the new additions it could cause a point chart change but he didn't know how likely since it was the 90's the last time they did this...
I appreciated his honesty and another reason we bought in when we did-

 

[Sabor]

But the real bummer is when you consider staying beyond a week. That is where you get the kick in the pants with the raised weekday rates. No one - or perhaps I should say few people - stay 9 days with 2 weekends. Rather, you usually stay 1 full week (with a weekend) and then spill out into the next few weekdays.

Sorry I disagree we usually Check in on Friday's and then Checkout Friday for seven straight nights, then check out and do a Universal or other Disney Hotel for Cash for the other Fri and Sat night, now the extra weekend we might just do on points. And if we do not the 7 day stay really doesn't change in point value.

I really think the system is designed for One week stays which was why the minimum purchase was 230 points. It should have never been changed. Then to prevent the locals from booking up the weekends they created this tilted point structure which in turn CREATED the Sun - Thurs traveler.

I have seen this coming and actually though it ws going to happen a year or two ago.

 

[TisBit]

When we made our purchase our guide was also very clear that the points could be rearranged but the total had to stay the same.

Our guide was very specific about that too. Granted, I think I asked too. He quoted this exact situation when he explained how the points may change...and that was almost two years ago.

 

[Chuck S]

Hi Folks...

We are limiting discussion of the 2010 point charts to this thread, rather than having a bunch of simultaneous threads running on the same basic subject.

Thanks.