Why I think Disney will never change fp+ plus to allow use in multiple parks

[boiledpeanut]

Previously w PH some people were wide open trying to ride headliners only in multiple parks one day. Especially savvy AP holders.

Ie: Epcot TT, Soarin
Hop over to MK do some mountains

Use like this and old fp hoarding people were doing squeezes out first timers, novices or unplanners whether we like to admit it or not.
So how does this affect Disneys bottom line?
Make the first timers 4 day visit great, they come back for a week.

Interested in others' thoughts on this

 

[mesaboy2]

I think it will be allowed by the end of the year. My impression has always been that this is a limitation of the current system, likely to be removed once "testing" is complete. We'll see.

 

[JimS4210]

I disagree. I think it's only a matter of time before they have FP+ in multiple parks. Disney isn't gonna lose that $59 up charge per ticket. And without that option to schedule FP in more than one park, less and less people will find a reason to add on Park Hopper...

Jim

 

[AmyB2006]

I think it will be allowed by the end of the year. My impression has always been that this is a limitation of the current system, likely to be removed once "testing" is complete. We'll see.

I agree.

 

[shalom]

Use like this and old fp hoarding people were doing squeezes out first timers, novices or unplanners whether we like to admit it or not.

Even if this is true, the current limits on number of FPs and tiering would prevent it from continuing. I believe people will be able to reserve FPs in multiple parks, but I also think it'll be just the three FPs total, with tiering where it applies. For example, if you get a top tier pick in one park, you can't get a top tier pick in the other.

 

[Lindaland]

I disagree. I think it's only a matter of time before they have FP+ in multiple parks. Disney isn't gonna lose that $59 up charge per ticket. And without that option to schedule FP in more than one park, less and less people will find a reason to add on Park Hopper...

Jim

Agreed, and also I am pretty sure Disney didn't design buses that went from park to park, unless you are going to use a park hopper. In fact I think they will encourage people to hop from park to park to get more FP+.

 

[Laketravis]

If any of the thus far static elements of FP+ were to change, the ability for hoppers to obtain FP's in another park would be a top candidate because it's a tool WDW would use to load-balance the parks.

 

[hoosll]

I agree with OP that Disney is trying to make first-time visitors have a better experience so they will return. We have no idea how many first time visitors just never return or go home and bad mouth to their friends about their time at the world.

I also think it is true that Disney is making it impossible to have a "great" experience in 4 days so people will have to stay longer thereby NOT visiting other Orlando attractions. The tiers mean that you must spend 2-3 days in certain parks to do all the a-ticket rides or to ride your favorites multiple times.

I also agree that Disney MUST do something to accommodate Park hoppers or they lose meaningful revenue and visitor satisfaction.

We have already canceled our visit for this year. I am not going to waste my park hopper tickets on the current "test."

Disney now has 3 parks in Asia which has saved Disneyland. It is time for a park in South America to save WDW. I think it is the crowds which is ruining the experience for everyone.

I don't believe the changes to Downtown will syphon the number of people away for the afternoon or evening. As someone who has never seen Avatar, I don't think Avatar land will influence the satisfaction of my visit. They have made it almost impossible to enjoy the fall season as there are now so many parties at MK that the crowds on non-party days are nuts.

 

[wisblue]

I think it will be allowed by the end of the year. My impression has always been that this is a limitation of the current system, likely to be removed once "testing" is complete. We'll see.

I agree.

As I have said before, I see the recent addition of the direct buses between MK and DAK and MK and DHS as a sign that Disney intends to encourage hopping.

I wouldn't be shocked if guests with hopper tickets are given an extra FP+ reservation to encourage them to add that option. That seems more likely to me than Disney ever charging directly for extra FPs.

 

[boiledpeanut]

Or possibly both ph options

The current ph with non transferable fp+ or
An upgraded ph that costs more that is transferable fp (interesting wisblue)

It sure is fascinating to watch all this shake out

 

[DividedSky]

Once all guests can fp+ in advance, I expect Disney will allow this.

1) fp+ reservations give the bean counters a window into guest plans. Knowledge and information is something execs never can get enough of. Park Hoppers operate in total secrecy (outside of ADR's). where are they going to go? what time? how crowed will parks get? a typical guest has the ticket scanned fairly early in the day, and the bean counters have you accounted for. hoppers remain a mystery all day long. fp+ additions for hoppers alleviate this problem.

2) Once everyone can get their 3 fp+ in advance, allowing a park hopper to clean up on the scraps isn't something that really effects other paying guests.

 

[ArwenMarie]

I don't think Disney wants people to park hop. That's why they price the park hopper so high relative to the ticket (it adds up with multiple people fast!) Because they want people to stop hopping to MK for the second half of the day. That's also why they are going to try to bring some sort of night show to AK, to help keep the crowds spread out at night even more.

So I don't think park hopper revenue will be the reason they let you get FP+s in multiple parks.

If they do decide to allow multiple parks, they would have to tier all four parks together. Or like the OP said, people could end up getting more headliners.

I think 3/day is here to stay. The only thing that might change are add-on packages for a fee, perhaps those could be used in a second park. But it won't be cheap...if that rumor is correct, $14.99 per Tier One ride.

 

[eangel12]

I think it will be allowed by the end of the year. My impression has always been that this is a limitation of the current system, likely to be removed once "testing" is complete. We'll see.

I agree! I think they limited to start the process.

 

[supergoofy]

IMHO what people are missing with Legacy FP is the fact that Disney didn't enforce the time on the pass. I am guilty as the next guy.

How many rides could you ride and how many parks could you see if you used Legacy FP within the time window stamped on the ticket?


I believe Disney will allow FP+ to be used at multiple parks in the same day.

I also believe Disney will add a FP option to the ticket price so folks who want to ride more can pay more to do so.

 

[shalom]

I don't think Disney wants people to park hop.

Then why did they set up the bus line recentish? I agree with Wisblue that those bus lines are a pretty strong indicator parkhopping will be supported with FP+.

Although I think adding an extra FP with parkhopping would actively encourage it, and I can't think of a reason Disney would want to do that.

 

[magicbob]

IMHO what people are missing with Legacy FP is the fact that Disney didn't enforce the time on the pass. I am guilty as the next guy.

How many rides could you ride and how many parks could you see if you used Legacy FP within the time window stamped on the ticket?

Even after enforcement of the return window, we were able to use just as many FPs. We simply had to adjust our touring to accommodate returning for them within the window, which involved more walking back and forth across the park.

 

[mesaboy2]

I agree.

As I have said before, I see the recent addition of the direct buses between MK and DAK and MK and DHS as a sign that Disney intends to encourage hopping.

I wouldn't be shocked if guests with hopper tickets are given an extra FP+ reservation to encourage them to add that option. That seems more likely to me than Disney ever charging directly for extra FPs.

Then why did they set up the bus line recentish? I agree with Wisblue that those bus lines are a pretty strong indicator parkhopping will be supported with FP+.

Although I think adding an extra FP with parkhopping would actively encourage it, and I can't think of a reason Disney would want to do that.

I don't see any relationship between FP+ and the new direct bus routes from MK. The bus stop expansion at MK has more to do with accommodating the new articulated buses--I think they just threw in a little extra capacity for the direct lines while they were at it.

 

[shalom]

I think they just threw in a little extra capacity for the direct lines while they were at it.

But why make parkhopping easier if Disney wants to discourage parkhopping? ArwenMarie's argument is that Disney doesn't like people hopping to the MK later in the day, so they're not going to add parkhopping to FP+; if that's the case, makes no sense to put the bus lines in.

I don't think Disney cares much about parkhopping much one way or the other, but clearly they're willing to accommodate it. And I would guess they like parkhopping when it means unhappy guest in crowded park A becomes happy guest in less-crowded park B.

 

[mesaboy2]

But why make parkhopping easier if Disney wants to discourage parkhopping? ArwenMarie's argument is that Disney doesn't like people hopping to the MK later in the day, so they're not going to add parkhopping to FP+; if that's the case, makes no sense to put the bus lines in.

I don't think Disney cares much about parkhopping much one way or the other, but clearly they're willing to accommodate it. And I would guess they like parkhopping when it means unhappy guest in crowded park A becomes happy guest in less-crowded park B.

I'm only saying the bus stop improvements at MK have little to do with park hopping and more to do with accommodating larger buses. I certainly don't see any intentional correlation between it and FP+.

 

[hoosll]

I think the direct buses between parks are another way to simplify the transportation system for new visitors and to help with the longer buses.