Why does VDH have resale restrictions & VGF doesn't? What is the future for Poly2 & FWC in regard to restrictions?

[thelionqueen]

Agree VGF direct right now is the best purchase. We were on the fence of adding on, I regret not doing it.

There’s still plenty of time..not sure if that’s welcome information

 

[thelionqueen]

If DL is your primary destination, I think buying VGF is not what I would do, resale restrictions or not.

It’s not my primary, but would’ve been had it been more appealing

 

[thelionqueen]

I wouldn’t buy WDW points if the goal is to use them consistently at DL.

With that said, my wife and I ended up buying more VGC points because she is turned off by the theming. I think we were both hoping for more of a classic Disneyland hotel and Disneyland theme…. not Art of Animation Hotel… More Carthay Circle, less Disney JR….

Agree 1000000% on the more Disney feeling theming I was hoping it would have. GCV is beautiful but being from CO, it’s like vacationing at home, so not ideal. I would buy GCV instead of VDH but the cost compared to buying GFV was a no brainer for me.

 

[Cfabar1]

I think most buyers don't even know that restrictions are a thing. Or they know that you "lose some things when not buying from Disney", but don't really know anything beyond that, and think "I don't want to lose anything, I would buy direct".

 

[AstroBlasters]

I never suggested I considered buying VDH for SAP at WDW. I was going to buy VDH for VDH, but doesn’t appeal to me anymore. I switched to GFV for use at restricted resorts (which buying resale can’t book) and occasional stays at VDH or GCV..or just as SAPs at WDW

Ok, I think I have it sorted now. Congrats on your VGF point purchase. They seem like a great deal if you want to use them at WDW. I hope the remodel makes it more appealing to you.

 

[thelionqueen]

Ok, I think I have it sorted now. Congrats on your VGF point purchase. They seem like a great deal if you want to use them at WDW. I hope the remodel makes it more appealing to you l.

No worries, I read my post again and it’s a bit confusing I’m going to keep an open mind and hope it’s a bit of a departure from the original. But, no matter what, it’s simply too good to pass up. I had a nightmare that ROFR kicked in and prices skyrocketed to where the were before and I was kicking myself for not buying in when I thought I should. Nothing like waking up and feeling excited to drop $25,000

 

[thelionqueen]

I think most buyers don't even know that restrictions are a thing. Or they know that you "lose some things when not buying from Disney", but don't really know anything beyond that, and think "I don't want to lose anything, I would buy direct".

Agreed, and I’m certain Disney is thankful for that lol

 

[Grumpy by Birth]

My guess to what happened with converting BPK was driven by the ability to shift cash inventory that wasn’t renting well to DVC as a way of filling the void left when Reflections was csnceled.

By doing this quick flip, it allowed them to add something for sale with RIV and AUL…and I just have to wonder if it was easier to do it by adding it to VGF, especially being a studio only resort..which I personally don’t think would sell well, or fast…that way.

I expect restrictions to continue with all future resorts. Poly tower is unique so we shall see, but if they really wanted to move away from them, they could have left them off of VDH…and did not.

That to me is a the biggest move to support it’s still part of the plan.

I think the bolded is a large part of why they lumped BPK in with the existing association. Because it's 100% "resort studios" (or hotel rooms if you prefer), I think it would be challenging to sell it as a stand-alone resort without the larger room options. Even PVB has the oft-aligned bungalows in addition to studios.

By including BPK in the same condo association with VGF1, they didn't create an entirely new resort with only one small room type. You don't have the same issue with Poly2. It will presumably have a variety of villa types/sizes. That gives DVC more flexibility to make it a separate condo association without creating the complications that doing so at BPK might have resulted in.

 

[RoseGold]

Now I am turning into a DVC buyer I recommend against.. in that I am buying a resort I do not like and never plan on staying at, VGF. Basically buying SAP at VGF. I simply cannot pass up on the incredible incentives to buy direct. Thoughts on future resorts and having restrictions or not?

I don't understand any part of this. These aren't comparable products, just because they happen to be in the same system.

I actually could make an argument for a WDW person buying VDH, but this choice makes no sense to me at all.

Obviously, you buy VDH while it is for sale. Obviously, it will be expensive. I didn't think anyone was surprised by that, but I guess someone was.

If you want cheap, don't go to Disney or stay offsite. If you want DL, don't buy into WDW.

I guess you could wait out for DLT resale points, but I doubt it will be that much cheaper, and that will be years from now.

 

[thelionqueen]

I don't understand any part of this. These aren't comparable products, just because they happen to be in the same system.

I actually could make an argument for a WDW person buying VDH, but this choice makes no sense to me at all.

Obviously, you buy VDH while it is for sale. Obviously, it will be expensive. I didn't think anyone was surprised by that, but I guess someone was.

If you want cheap, don't go to Disney or stay offsite. If you want DL, don't buy into WDW.

I guess you could wait out for DLT resale points, but I doubt it will be that much cheaper, and that will be years from now.

Again, I’m not buying WDW resort solely to stay at DLT. I’m aware they’re completely different offerings. My goal is to stay at DLT as I can, knowing I may not be able to. This option is much more appealing than the restrictions at DLT.

I find your comment suggesting I’m looking for “cheap” accommodations inappropriate. I’m already an owner so obviously I know what the product is and stay onsite. The ambiguous suggestion that I’m surprised the the cost was too expensive is also inappropriate imo.

If you read my original post, cost isn’t the driving factor, and I’d have no issue with the cost if it weren’t tied to the restrictions. Everyone is able to make choices based on input and personal motivations.

 

[RoseGold]

I find your comment suggesting I’m looking for “cheap” accommodations inappropriate. I’m already an owner so obviously I know what the product is and stay onsite. The ambiguous suggestion that I’m surprised the the cost was too expensive is also inappropriate imo.

If you read my original post, cost isn’t the driving factor, and I’d have no issue with the cost if it weren’t tied to the restrictions. Everyone is able to make choices based on input and personal motivations.

in your OP, you said you didn't care about the cost and then that you didn't buy DLT because of taxes, parking, and resale restriction, AKA cost.

I'm no fan of the resale restrictions, they're a dealbreaker for RIV IMO. But I don't see why this is such an issue for DLT in particular, because no one cares about resale restrictions in CA anyway. They buy those points for CA only, and that's been true for decades. If resale restrictions are the issue for your estate, you can buy as an LLC or a trust. That's a question for your estate lawyer. People buy as trust all the time. If cost is the issue, there are a whole lot of other options, including non-Disney options. Disney is expensive, and DLT is expensive.

VGF is the solution that makes the least sense to me for your problems, as stated. Heck, resale VGC would make more sense.

 

[Rex1993]

If it means anything we ended up in pretty much the same boat. We own VGC through a resale purchase a few years back. We reside in the Bay Area so Disneyland is the 1-2 trips a year destination. WDW is a once every 2-3 years so we purchased VGF direct last month. When we go to WDW we want to stay at VGF but it's nice to know that being unrestricted means we might have some slim chance of using those VGF points at VDH. I agree 100% with the theming issues on the VDH. I think it would have been so cool if they went with a real midcentury modern motif or something more like the 30s. Instead it seems to be sort of an HGTV version of midcentury. Not my thing.

 

[thelionqueen]

in your OP, you said you didn't care about the cost and then that you didn't buy DLT because of taxes, parking, and resale restriction, AKA cost.

I'm no fan of the resale restrictions, they're a dealbreaker for RIV IMO. But I don't see why this is such an issue for DLT in particular, because no one cares about resale restrictions in CA anyway. They buy those points for CA only, and that's been true for decades. If resale restrictions are the issue for your estate, you can buy as an LLC or a trust. That's a question for your estate lawyer. People buy as trust all the time. If cost is the issue, there are a whole lot of other options, including non-Disney options. Disney is expensive, and DLT is expensive.

VGF is the solution that makes the least sense to me for your problems, as stated. Heck, resale VGC would make more sense.

I don’t understand your reasoning but luckily no one needs to know what or why anyone else chooses to do for them. It seems as if you misunderstood my post, yet again refer to cost and being “expensive.” All DVC options are expensive, so not sure what you’re referring to..seems as if you’re assuming I can’t afford whatever option I choose. Already own 300 points, so I’m well aware of the cost of DVC ownership, and have known for over 15 years.. so thank you for your input whether or not we align. Regardless it works for me

 

[Sunnyore]

I know the reasoning has likely been discussed, but I still am trying to figure out the rationale here. Do you think Disney is still experimenting with restrictions? In my personal opinion, it is the worst tactic in the history of ever. Not only does it not contribute to pushing folks to buy direct, but it alienates a savvy buyer altogether. Now, I realize the average guest isn't as aware as many folks on the Dis, but more and more are getting wise.

My own example is that I had my heart set on VDH.. like no matter what the cost, I was buying it, period. But, (and this is the biggest but) I absolutely hate the decor and theming. It's like BLT at DLR which isn't my cup of tea. Secondly, the tax and parking, huge hurdles for my love of DLH to overcome, but still not a deal breaker. The deal breaker? Resale restrictions. I simply cannot buy a product that immediately loses value, even though I planned on keeping the points.

Now I am turning into a DVC buyer I recommend against.. in that I am buying a resort I do not like and never plan on staying at, VGF. Basically buying SAP at VGF. I simply cannot pass up on the incredible incentives to buy direct. Thoughts on future resorts and having restrictions or not?

I think the resale restrictions are here to stay. It really didn’t bother me at all for VDH and I even bought my contracts broken up so I can possibly sell in the future if it comes to that. There’s plenty of ppl that come just to DLR regularly that I think it’ll hold its value. Also for me it was most important to have a home base at DLR as I have plenty of wdw points already. I wanted more direct unrestricted points so buying resale VGC wouldn’t work for me either. I love the modern fun theme of VDH. I think the thing that bothered me the most was the parking so I’m glad it’s included.. for now. The way I see it is if they have to take away parking due to Disneyland Forward plans, then VGC will be affected too. I would hope they will come up with a solution that would be fair in the end. I’ll be most curious as how well the new upcoming resorts sell with the resale restrictions as I think it matters more at wdw. It seems like Riviera is selling decent on resale market for now. I’m glad you found what you think works best for you.

 

[emchen]

Secondly, the tax and parking, huge hurdles for my love of DLH to overcome, but still not a deal breaker.

I keep reading that paying for parking is a hurdle, but as an owner, I read somewhere official that parking is free (for now), and there is no timeline for if/when that will end. If anyone has recent info otherwise, please post. I'm sorry I don't remember where I saw that it will be free...but I learned of it right before pulling the trigger on VDH in May.

@Sunnyore
I think the thing that bothered me the most was the parking so I’m glad it’s included.. for now.

Yay corroboration. Do you remember where you learned of that?

 

[Sandisw]

I keep reading that paying for parking is a hurdle, but as an owner, I read somewhere official that parking is free (for now), and there is no timeline for if/when that will end. If anyone has recent info otherwise, please post. I'm sorry I don't remember where I saw that it will be free...but I learned of it right before pulling the trigger on VDH in May.

Yay corroboration. Do you remember where you learned of that?

It was confirmed when sales started that it was part of dues.

I think when the charts were released it was still being finalized and so they put it out there as a possibility you might need to pay.

 

[Sunnyore]

I keep reading that paying for parking is a hurdle, but as an owner, I read somewhere official that parking is free (for now), and there is no timeline for if/when that will end. If anyone has recent info otherwise, please post. I'm sorry I don't remember where I saw that it will be free...but I learned of it right before pulling the trigger on VDH in May.

Yay corroboration. Do you remember where you learned of that?

Like Sandy said, it was determined when VDH officially went on sale 5/2. It’s interesting though when I booked my reservations via MS when owners were first allowed to book, the CMs actually reiterated at time of booking how parking is currently included but this may change. If they start charging though, I may have to park at Mickey & Friends and be too drunk off drinks from Trader Sam’s to move my car during my stay.

 

[emchen]

Like Sandy said, it was determined when VDH officially went on sale 5/2. It’s interesting though when I booked my reservations via MS when owners were first allowed to book, the CMs actually reiterated at time of booking how parking is currently included but this may change. If they start charging though, I may have to park at Mickey & Friends and be too drunk off drinks from Trader Sam’s to move my car during my stay.

Thank you that was it! MS said it when we had to call to book. I knew I didn’t dream it up !

That’s why “pay for parking” myth continues…