Why do lenders do this?

scbelleatheart

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I mean banks, car dealerships, credit cards. DS just graduated from college. he got a decent job as an accountant $47,000 a year and works as a bartender on weekends (tips are great). Very little tuition debt.
He goes out to look at purchasing his first car. We owned his other ones but he was making most of his tuition payments. The dealership tells him he qualifies for $30,000 for a car!:eek: We have told hime we never bought a car that expensive just out of college. That is just crazy!
The credit card apps are rolling in too. They dangle this in front of young adults and they fall for it. Another thing. The colleges tell them how much they can expect to make in the field they are in. Totally unrealistic for someone at their first professional job. It took my older two 6-8 years to make what the college said to expect and that was after they got some experience and masters and doctorates.
 
Years ago, we prequalified for a house loan and there is NO way unless you bought nothing else it would be affordable. We called the guy on it and he said, once I give them the loan and get my commission, it's not my problem.
 
We got approved for a mortgage last year way over what we could afford to actually pay monthly. We didn't even look at houses in that price range. We looked in the range we knew we were able to afford.
 
foltzy said:
We got approved for a mortgage last year way over what we could afford to actually pay monthly. We didn't even look at houses in that price range. We looked in the range we knew we were able to afford.

This!! Currently in escrow and the 1st time we met with Loan Officer I told him our max amount. His reply: you are eligible for much more. My reply: I haave no desire to be house poor. DH and I had discussions about what we could comfortably afford.

IMO, too many people allow others to be in control of their finances; a big part of the housing crisis was people buying homes they could not afford. The time to teach finances to your children is before they enter college and the "real world".
 

u need to grab one of the cc forms and fill out the " out" form and they stop sending them and then have son sit down with u once and show him how real life is with actuall bills!!!!
 
Because it's not the job of lenders to prioritize people's lives.

I agree that disclosures need to be beefed up, but if people are given the bottom line cost, then they should be able to figure out what they can afford.

Qualifying for a loan looks at what you could afford if you make that loan your top priority. It does not tell you what you can afford, given the other priorities in your life.
 
I agree.

When we bought our first house I can't tell you the number of our friends who said to go with the top amount the banks would offer.

NO WAY! We would have been very house poor. When we called the lender to say we needed XX amount he laughed at us! He said, "YOu know I can approve you for triple that amount!" I said, "Um, well, we like to eat."

He then proceeded to tell us he could work out a 40 year mortgage so that we wouldn't feel the punch so hard. :scared1:

Do lenders still do the 40 year option? I think it was popular a while back in high cost of living areas where we used to live.

Dawn


Because it's not the job of lenders to prioritize people's lives.

I agree that disclosures need to be beefed up, but if people are given the bottom line cost, then they should be able to figure out what they can afford.

Qualifying for a loan looks at what you could afford if you make that loan your top priority. It does not tell you what you can afford, given the other priorities in your life.
 
Because it's not the job of lenders to prioritize people's lives.

I agree that disclosures need to be beefed up, but if people are given the bottom line cost, then they should be able to figure out what they can afford.

Qualifying for a loan looks at what you could afford if you make that loan your top priority. It does not tell you what you can afford, given the other priorities in your life.

Yep, it is actually their job to get you to give them as much interest as they possibly can!

They do it because that is how they stay in business and make money.
 
We got approved for a mortgage last year way over what we could afford to actually pay monthly. We didn't even look at houses in that price range. We looked in the range we knew we were able to afford.

This.

Except it was 10 years ago.

We were approved for a $150,000 home loan, but wanted to go no more than $75,000. After Nehemiah (you can google it if you want), our total was $82,000.

We were told it would not make a huge difference, but our loan officer understood our preference and didn't push it.

We also looked at property taxes and insurance - something a lot of people don't consider - and added them into our mortgage payment so escrow takes care of that for us.
 
I agree.

When we bought our first house I can't tell you the number of our friends who said to go with the top amount the banks would offer.

NO WAY! We would have been very house poor. When we called the lender to say we needed XX amount he laughed at us! He said, "YOu know I can approve you for triple that amount!" I said, "Um, well, we like to eat."

He then proceeded to tell us he could work out a 40 year mortgage so that we wouldn't feel the punch so hard. :scared1:

Do lenders still do the 40 year option? I think it was popular a while back in high cost of living areas where we used to live.

Dawn

A 40 year mortgage is crazy. I also think a 6 year loan on a car is too. DS pays his rent, utilities, tuition but they tell him he can finance a car for 6 years. Why do they put this up to kids, under 22 and let them think this is possible? This is why our country is in a mess.
 
Because it's a business just like anything else. Is it possibly a little underhanded? Sure. Is it there responsibility to make sure you only spend what you can afford? No. Also, lots of times people don't know they can qualify for that much and CAN make it work. So they offer you the highest amount they can in hopes that you can make it work and they can make as much money as possible.
 
A 40 year mortgage is crazy. I also think a 6 year loan on a car is too. DS pays his rent, utilities, tuition but they tell him he can finance a car for 6 years. Why do they put this up to kids, under 22 and let them think this is possible? This is why our country is in a mess.

That's why parents like you need to stay involved in their kids' lives and finances. If you teach him how to properly monitor his bills and income then in a couple years he could afford to do this. I was married at 21, just after I graduated and my DH had just purchased a car. We bought our first house 2 years later. But DH is a master of money and we have never been house poor or even really struggled. We budget like crazy and always know what we can afford to do before we do anything. But I didn't learn any of this from my parents, it all came from DH. If I hadn't gotten married I would have been screwed cause I am a huge spend it when you got it kind of girl!
 
Yep, it is actually their job to get you to give them as much interest as they possibly can!

They do it because that is how they stay in business and make money.

Exactly, they are in business to make money

IMHO $30K is not a completely ridiculous amount to spend on a new vehicle either. Of course no one should buy anything they cannot afford but it's not like $30K is going to buy you a fully loaded luxury car either
 
I think it should be mandatory for high schools to requiere every graduating senior from High School to take a basic consumer education course. A class that explains interests rates, credit card usage, even debit cards verses credit cards.....When my SIL first got married, they had a combined income of $55,000 ( I want to say it was 2006 ). They wanted a house so the realtor told them them to go get pre-approved and it would make the process quicker. Well she called me all excited saying she was pre-approved for $325,000.00 and they lined up houses in that range to look at. I think they had $2500.00 to put down. The monthly payments clearly would exceed what they take in but after I tried to explain to them the reality, they still believed they could afford it because they had pre-approval for $325,000,00. They put their trust in the "experts". I am by no means saying they are not responsible for their actions because they are but I think basic consumer business skills should be taught early on.
 
A 40 year mortgage is crazy. I also think a 6 year loan on a car is too. DS pays his rent, utilities, tuition but they tell him he can finance a car for 6 years. Why do they put this up to kids, under 22 and let them think this is possible? This is why our country is in a mess.
A six-year loan on a car is a bad idea, particularly for an American car. The darn thing may only last 3 or 4.

I see nothing wrong with a 22-year old being responsible for a loan. The real problem is that because helicopter parents have been running their lives (even as adults), many of these young adults have no concept of how credit actually works. Hence, a great number of them don't understand what they would be responsible for.
 
Sorry, but I don't see this as the lender being the bad guy.

This guy is a college grad accountant (so he should be good with numbers). He should have an idea of what he wants to spend. (What he can afford each month). Big deal if the car dealership said he QUALIFIES for 30,000. Unless I missed something, no said he HAD to spend 30,000. And the same thing with cc applications. You don't have to fill them out. You can opt out.

The grocery sells prime rib, but no one says you have to buy it when all you know you can afford is ground beef.
 
They see somebody like that as a target/customer (whichever way you interpret it). Not saying it is right, not saying it is wrong, they want to make money. It's what they do.


*and yea many of them really mess up because the people cannot pay it back
 
I mean banks, car dealerships, credit cards. DS just graduated from college. he got a decent job as an accountant $47,000 a year and works as a bartender on weekends (tips are great). Very little tuition debt.
He goes out to look at purchasing his first car. We owned his other ones but he was making most of his tuition payments. The dealership tells him he qualifies for $30,000 for a car!:eek: We have told hime we never bought a car that expensive just out of college. That is just crazy!
The credit card apps are rolling in too. They dangle this in front of young adults and they fall for it. Another thing. The colleges tell them how much they can expect to make in the field they are in. Totally unrealistic for someone at their first professional job. It took my older two 6-8 years to make what the college said to expect and that was after they got some experience and masters and doctorates.
Some friends of ours are upset with their just-graduated-from-college son for this very thing! They paid all his expenses through college because it was important to them that he be able to come out of school without debt. Now he has a first job (not sure what he studied or what the job is), and his very first action was to buy a $45,000 sports car. At least that's what I heard it cost. I saw it, and it is gorgeous.

But this is a kid who is still living at home with his parents. I'd think it'd be more important to save for a place of his own before getting the best wheels on the road. In all fairness, I understand that the used car they bought him when he was 16 was wearing out, and he needed a new car -- but he could've had something quite nice for half the price.

As for credit cards, my just-finished-high-school girl is drowning in offers.

Here's the one that really gets me though: We did the FAFSA and got no financial aid (didn't expect it really, though I was hoping for work-study), but they offered her 150% of the cost of her college in loans. We did not accept the loans, but her college is RABID to see her take them. They're PUSHING HER to get into debt.
Because it's not the job of lenders to prioritize people's lives. , then they should be able to figure out what they can afford.
I can believe that. It looks to me like Americans aren't very good at considering their overall budget when they're making a major choice. Most people just say, "I qualified for this much, so what can I get for that amount?" This is what we get for being a consumer-culture.
That's why parents like you need to stay involved in their kids' lives and finances. If you teach him how to properly monitor his bills and income then in a couple years he could afford to do this. I was married at 21, just after I graduated and my DH had just purchased a car. We bought our first house 2 years later. But DH is a master of money and we have never been house poor or even really struggled. We budget like crazy and always know what we can afford to do before we do anything. But I didn't learn any of this from my parents, it all came from DH. If I hadn't gotten married I would have been screwed cause I am a huge spend it when you got it kind of girl!
I agree that young-adult children still need guidance. Navigating the world of first cars, first houses, starting retirement savings is tough -- and much of the information out there is conflicting: On the one hand we hear that "we deserve" this and that lifestyle, on the other hand we hear that we need to live within our means and save. And the world is going to be tougher and much less forgiving for our children's generation. We need to continue to provide advice for those first big purchases.
This guy is a college grad accountant (so he should be good with numbers). He should have an idea of what he wants to spend. (What he can afford each month).
My dad was a CPA, yet had little grasp of his own personal finances. Being good with numbers, being able to balance other people's money, being able to find mistakes in the millions . . . doesn't always translate into personal responsibility when it comes down to "My old truck is in decent shape, and I should keep driving it another two years, save for a good downpayment, THEN buy something shiney and sexy." It doesn't translate when so many parts of society push just-graduated kids to start living large, to throw caution to the wind in their young professional years (before they're forced to settle down to the mini-van).
 
MrsPete - You daughter's college wants her to take on debt? That's sad and has not been the case at the four UNC system universities my sons have attended/will attend.

We're gotten three or four offers for private student loans. My son has not gotten a single credit card offer, though, which makes me wonder (happily) what list he isn't on.
 














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