Why do I feel like I am being punished by DVC for buying resale?

[schrammalot]

We bought resale and purchased our gold APs over the phone. There's no easy way to buy online. Easy peasy.

 

[dbavis]

We bought resale and purchased our gold APs over the phone. There's no easy way to buy online. Easy peasy.

you bought resale after 4/4? have they been activated?

 

[schrammalot]

Bought resale in 2014. They're hooked up to my MDE. Haven't used them yet since we haven't gone down yet.

 

[dbavis]

Bought resale in 2014. They're hooked up to my MDE. Haven't used them yet since we haven't gone down yet.

oh, ok yeah, you're eligible.

 

[Matty B13]

Confirmed this morning that as a resale purchaser I am not eligible for any discounted pass or gold pass. Spoke to cast member at dvc then spoke to a supervisor. Said I would have been told when I went to activate them and would have had to pay the difference of what I paid and the regular price platinum pass.

Thanks for giving us some confirmed answers on this, even if it wasn't what we post 4/2016 resale owners wanted to hear.

 

[TheGecko]

Confirmed this morning that as a resale purchaser I am not eligible for any discounted pass or gold pass. Spoke to cast member at dvc then spoke to a supervisor. Said I would have been told when I went to activate them and would have had to pay the difference of what I paid and the regular price platinum pass.

Amazing what a help a simple phone call makes

 

[thewestfam]

Okay, holy cow, I had to log out bc this was getting ridiculous. And have since been told by several people to not use the disboards for this very reason. lesson learned there. I just want to comment that- A LOT of you are taking my post so incredibly literally. And why be so condescending? Can we not have a discussion for the sake of discussing something? As I had replied over and over and over, I was not asking a question about why my perks were gone. I knew what I was buying, I read the contracts, I made the decision I did it because it was smarter, economically, for us. But ah- The bravery that comes with the anonymity of the internet I guess. Or maybe the unkindness? Idk

Another point, this should get everyone riled up-why should disney remove perks in general? If incentive is bottom line, why not add incentive? Add some more perks for your new and existing direct sales buyers? Why take away? I think that being said, I do hold Disney to a higher standard in regards to its customers. And again, I know that technically I was not a customer of theirs by buying resale. But if not for the resale market, would everyone be able to afford their contracts for the allotted 50 years? There would most likely be a group of people not paying dues, not attending the parks etc.(not sure how long contracts sit in foreclosure either.) Maybe someone knows? But yes they are two separate entities, that ultimately influence each other. So saying that DVC and Disney have no effect on each other makes no sense either. - someone may have already brought this up. And yes Disney can do whatever they want I know that. So please don't point out the obvious here. Again, this is for discussion. Not bc I am an idiot and didn't know what I was buying.

And for everyone again wondering about Gold AP's, as I was. I tried to buy online and was informed that as soon as I went to pick them up, they would not release them to me, for I have no membership card. That info coming from a DVC agent. It was worth a shot!

Also, perhaps in the near future we will buy into a 25 point contract, that sounds great.

As I limp away from this thread, thank you to everyone that I actually gained information from. In hindsight I do think that we got AKV cheaper bc of the new restrictions. You win some you lose some. To the others, I literally learned nothing from you except that there are a lot of contrary people in this world. Ready to point out the obvious and do it with disdain. Ha! On that note, GOOD BYE DISBOARDS!

 

[dbavis]

Sorry you felt attacked. I don't think I did anything to attack you but, you have to admit, your premise was a bit confusing. If I understood you, you were asking why you were being 'punished' by being held to the restrictions that you say you were fully aware of when you made the purchase. What did you see as an acceptable response to that?

 

[miTnosnhoJ]

Sorry if we piled on. If you go back and read the boards from April 2016, you will see that a lot of us had very extreme reactions to the removal of perks, but we have now had time to process them. It felt like a betrayal. Even those of us who were grandfathered in felt like our resale value was diminished.

 

[supersnoop]

why should disney remove perks in general? If incentive is bottom line, why not add incentive? Add some more perks for your new and existing direct sales buyers? Why take away?

That's exactly what they did. It's the whole point of "grandfathering" existing contracts. They didn't take away any benefits. Instead, they stopped offering them for new folks, and essentially gave new direct buyers an additional perk. Your specific circumstance still makes it "feel" different, but that's not what the change was structured to accomplish.

And for everyone again wondering about Gold AP's, as I was. I tried to buy online and was informed that as soon as I went to pick them up, they would not release them to me, for I have no membership card. That info coming from a DVC agent. It was worth a shot!

I think it's still worth a shot. I don't trust the phone agents to have absolutely correct answers all the time..

 

[goofy78]

I'm glad my update helped out even though it was not the information any of us wanted to hear. I will say to the OP if you hadn't started this thread I never would have known about the eligibility for the Gold AP. I would have gone down in May to activate and would have been told I wasn't eligible for those passes and have to pay $800.00 more right then for the Platinum AP. Not really the best way to start off my vacation. I certainly would have been extremely upset and if I was put on the spot like that I probably would put up an argument as to why I was able to purchase them in the first place. Again not the best way to start my vacation. I know some people still plan on trying to either activate already purchased discounted passes or Gold APs or try to buy them when they're there but I'm glad I found out now so I don't have to be worried or bothered about it when I arrive. So thank you to the OP for starting this thread.

 

[Dean]

Okay, holy cow, I had to log out bc this was getting ridiculous. And have since been told by several people to not use the disboards for this very reason. lesson learned there. I just want to comment that- A LOT of you are taking my post so incredibly literally. And why be so condescending? Can we not have a discussion for the sake of discussing something? As I had replied over and over and over, I was not asking a question about why my perks were gone. I knew what I was buying, I read the contracts, I made the decision I did it because it was smarter, economically, for us. But ah- The bravery that comes with the anonymity of the internet I guess. Or maybe the unkindness? Idk

Another point, this should get everyone riled up-why should disney remove perks in general? If incentive is bottom line, why not add incentive? Add some more perks for your new and existing direct sales buyers? Why take away? I think that being said, I do hold Disney to a higher standard in regards to its customers. And again, I know that technically I was not a customer of theirs by buying resale. But if not for the resale market, would everyone be able to afford their contracts for the allotted 50 years? There would most likely be a group of people not paying dues, not attending the parks etc.(not sure how long contracts sit in foreclosure either.) Maybe someone knows? But yes they are two separate entities, that ultimately influence each other. So saying that DVC and Disney have no effect on each other makes no sense either. - someone may have already brought this up. And yes Disney can do whatever they want I know that. So please don't point out the obvious here. Again, this is for discussion. Not bc I am an idiot and didn't know what I was buying.

And for everyone again wondering about Gold AP's, as I was. I tried to buy online and was informed that as soon as I went to pick them up, they would not release them to me, for I have no membership card. That info coming from a DVC agent. It was worth a shot!

Also, perhaps in the near future we will buy into a 25 point contract, that sounds great.

As I limp away from this thread, thank you to everyone that I actually gained information from. In hindsight I do think that we got AKV cheaper bc of the new restrictions. You win some you lose some. To the others, I literally learned nothing from you except that there are a lot of contrary people in this world. Ready to point out the obvious and do it with disdain. Ha! On that note, GOOD BYE DISBOARDS!

If you didn't mean what you posted, that's fine, but you did post the words. NO ONE attacked that I recall, I'm certain that no reasonable person could take my posts as an attack. You posted a view, some of us disagreed with the premise and said so, nothing more. I can't speak for others but I can for myself, the sentiments I expressed would have been the same had you been asking this at dinner or work. I realize none of us have the benefit of body language or other interpersonal information in either direction and that does make it more difficult at times.

Disney should remove perks because they are perks and not contractual. They owe it to their shareholders to generate sales and revenues. And as noted, they didn't remove them from anyone who already had them unless they chose to do so as in your case.

 

[BillPA]

Bye

 

[prestoncaldwell]

I don't see how this is the same thing necessarily. With Disney timeshare, even though you are using resale points to stay you are also paying for food, park tickets, merchandise, etc... A lot of money going back to Disney. Arguably the same amounts that someone who bought direct is. Not to mention a possible 50 years of this. You buy a Toyota resale you are not giving Toyota any money period. Kind of apples and oranges.

I understand that you're implying that its an incentive type situation though. I think when we bought, because they were revoking some privileges at the same time, it wasn't so much an incentive to buy direct but more of a don't buy resale bc disney will pull privileges/ you might regret your decision type situation. Like who knows what will be next. Kind of trying to scare us into buying direct.

Everyone who goes to Disney pays for food, park tickets, merchandise, parking, etc. Should Wyndham Bonnet Creek owners be extended a loyalty discount?

 

[Maistre Gracey]

Everyone who goes to Disney pays for food, park tickets, merchandise, parking, etc. Should Wyndham Bonnet Creek owners be extended a loyalty discount?

But Disney never reaped the benefits from the Wyndham sale. They already collected from the Disney sale. All Disney did was devalue the original owners purchase so they could try to stick someone with an unwanted timeshare while they sell to someone else.

MG

 

[prestoncaldwell]

But Disney never reaped the benefits from the Wyndham sale. They already collected from the Disney sale. All Disney did was devalue the original owners purchase so they could try to stick someone with an unwanted timeshare while they sell to someone else.

MG

That is a bit of an overstatement. The bulk of the value of a DVC ownership is intact. Contrast losing a few petty discounts with Westgate's policy of stripping resale contracts to the point where one cannot book a reservation before two months out. THAT is devaluaing a contract to the extent that the victim can't even pay someone to take it.

But to your point, yes, it is common in the timeshare industry to devalue contracts so that the salesmen will have some sort of benefit to sell that wouldn't be available resale. It's a shame that Disney had to follow them, because their treatment of resales is something I really admired.

 

[Maistre Gracey]

That is a bit of an overstatement. The bulk of the value of a DVC ownership is intact. Contrast losing a few petty discounts with Westgate's policy of stripping resale contracts to the point where one cannot book a reservation before two months out. THAT is devaluaing a contract to the extent that the victim can't even pay someone to take it.

But to your point, yes, it is common in the timeshare industry to devalue contracts so that the salesmen will have some sort of benefit to sell that wouldn't be available resale. It's a shame that Disney had to follow them, because their treatment of resales is something I really admired.

Than we are in (almost) complete agreement!!

MG

 

[Matty B13]

Also, when you are told by your guide that they don't have any points for sale at the resort you want and there is not waitlist as well. What is a person to do, except buy resale.

 

[Sammie]

I know the OP is rather new to the forum but honestly I saw no attacks, just people commenting on what was shared.

We don't coddle though if that is what you were looking for and as someone else stated unless you were direct quoted, the comments were also for anyone going forward that might feel the same way.

They are adding incentives. All these special events, the lounge at Epcot, all that is new.

With all due respect and as kindly as I can ask, what did you want us to say to your sharing? That yes you are correct in feeling that you are being punished? Because it is obvious that we don't feel that way.

I will say, that this is one of the best forums on the Internet for accurate info. We do however not always agree with what is shared and if that comes across as an attack, then yes you will be unhappy here.

 

[Dean]

But Disney never reaped the benefits from the Wyndham sale. They already collected from the Disney sale. All Disney did was devalue the original owners purchase so they could try to stick someone with an unwanted timeshare while they sell to someone else.

MG

DVD sold it and moved on, then one owns a timeshare. If that owner decides to sell, there's no reason to expect the original developer will give them additional benefits over what's contractual, esp in the timeshare world.