Why can SSR owners book other DVC resorts...

[stacy6552]

sorry, I know Im off topic here, but is there a place I can save him Nick?

 

[Simba's Mom]

Someone brought up a question I'd really be curious about. That is, does anyone know what's happened at the other DVC resorts? It seems to me that BCV didn't even start selling until about 4 months before it opened. Could BCV owners make ressies immediately? And what about non-BCV owners? Anyone remember the other resorts?

 

[jaysue]

SSR owners have a head start for non home resorts against the rest of DVC owners under the specific circumstances cited

It is a good point and post - I figure as others have posted that it is do with keeping MS from getting ploughed under by too many calls coming in over a short time period

thanks
jaysue

 

[Dean]

Originally posted by Simba's Mom
Someone brought up a question I'd really be curious about. That is, does anyone know what's happened at the other DVC resorts? It seems to me that BCV didn't even start selling until about 4 months before it opened. Could BCV owners make ressies immediately? And what about non-BCV owners? Anyone remember the other resorts?

This is the first time DVC has given owners at a resort a head start on other owners. While it shouldn't be a big deal, it is odd and doesn't come across as a fair way to conduct business. I suspect it's in part to let them use those extra points. Last time they did this, they had the extra points of MB to fall back on.

 

[Xtine76]

I don't disagree with the policy at all and yes I am an SSR owner. The way I look at it is if they had allowed the traditional seven month window all of the DVC owners would be eligible to make reservations at SSR without SSR owners getting first dibs. And with the limited occupancy starting out and it being a new resort that non owners might like to try I think the existing rooms would get snapped up pretty quick. It's just disney giving us our home court advantage, just like all the other DVC resorts get. And yes I am partial, and very thankful that I got reservations. As for not having to pay dues or payments until June, big deal, I will make my payments just like everyone else has had to. It's not like i'm freeloading, I can't make any reservations for dates before my unit is available for occupancy, so I don't think that there is anything unfair about it. Well I have vented, hopefully I haven't offended anyone.

 

[jaysue]

SSR owners get a 2 month advantage at non-SSR resorts compared to non-SSR owners getting into SSR

Not fair and not sure how one (even SSR owners) can defend it as fair but it is what it is

No offense taken however one should realise the inherent bias in the policy and not take a pro-SSR stand just beacuse you own there

thanks
jaysue

 

[Xtine76]

Oh so I guess it would be OK for me to NOT BE ABLE to get a room ANYWHERE because all the other DVC members who have home resorts reserved the very limited amount of rooms at my home resort? I don't understand all this SSR bashing, it really is ludicrious.

 

[Xtine76]

Oh and in terms of SSR getting a head start at other resorts-not true-I can't attempt to book at vero beach for august until february third.

 

[Sammie]

Just because someone has commented or even disagreed does not mean anyone has been flamed.

To flame is:
To write angry or insulting words about a person.

I do not believe that has been the case. I do think some on these forums really do not want anyone to post an opinion that offers any disagreement to their own.

However that is not a flame.

 

[FriendsOfEeyore]

Last time that I will say this...I have no problem with SSR owners having an advantage booking their home resort.

BTW, I have not taken any response or discussion as flaming on this particular thread.

 

[LIFERBABE]

Friends of Eeyore........

For what it's worth, I do understand what you are saying

As an SSR owner that owns unit 1C, I was able to start booking SSR in Dec. Those ressies went very fast! When they announced Member Homecoming, I called MS to book SSR for May 23rd and was told there was no studios available for that week.

Being an owner at 3 DVC's, I checked availability at the other resorts. I was able to book BCV using my SSR points.

I was surprised as I thought that I would not be able to use my SSR points at other DVC's until all members could book at SSR. I expected to use my OKW points, but that contract was tied up in Member Accounting and MS said I could use my SSR points.

I can book BCV with my SSR points now, but a BCV owner can't book SSR until Feb. and yes an owner can make a ressie at their home resort and then try to switch to SSR so I do understand that point also.

With so many anxious owners (Im one of them) and SSR not being completed, I can see where the resorts will not be able to absorb the current membership and the new membership until SSR makes more units available.

What will most likely happen in Feb, is that there will be very limited availability at SSR left. On top of that SSR owners will have filled the limited availability at the other DVC's leaving very slim pickings for others that like to book at 7 months or less.

OTOH, if SSR owners were only allowed to use their points in Dec. and Jan for SSR there would not be enough availability at SSR to meet the demand. This would not be the best management of new member expectations on DVD's part. Remember, none of the members at SSR have closed on their contracts and this would be the equivalent of an airline overselling a flight and offering an incentive to those that would not mind waiting for the next one.

So they opened up the available inventory at other DVC's to take care of their newest members. Technically they took care of their owners at each DVC with the 11 month booking window. The 7 month window is a free-for-all, with limited availability and lower expectations and legally DVD is off the hook to it's existing members.

Im just working this out on paper and trying to see both sides.

So basically, it's not an issue of having home resort advantage, as we all have that. The issue is that SSR owners can reserve ALL DVC's in Dec and Jan for ressies that fall in the 7 month window.

I don't think anyone is bashing SSR or it's owners, just a valid observation and thought provoking. The 11 month window still applies even to SSR owners during this 2 month booking window as stated in our purchase agreement.

 

[FriendsOfEeyore]

Liferbabe,

Exactly my point. Thought provoking. Your example is exactly the weird scenario that needs to exist to allow proper access to all SSR owners as their units are completed and put into inventory. I think that this was a blip, and as many have said DVC has no track record doing this with previous new resorts.

However, when you compare the size of SSR to either BCV or VWL, it is not even close.

Any additional thoughts by others??

 

[Dean]

Originally posted by Xtine76
I don't disagree with the policy at all and yes I am an SSR owner. The way I look at it is if they had allowed the traditional seven month window all of the DVC owners would be eligible to make reservations at SSR without SSR owners getting first dibs. And with the limited occupancy starting out and it being a new resort that non owners might like to try I think the existing rooms would get snapped up pretty quick. It's just disney giving us our home court advantage, just like all the other DVC resorts get. And yes I am partial, and very thankful that I got reservations. As for not having to pay dues or payments until June, big deal, I will make my payments just like everyone else has had to. It's not like i'm freeloading, I can't make any reservations for dates before my unit is available for occupancy, so I don't think that there is anything unfair about it. Well I have vented, hopefully I haven't offended anyone.

Then they shouldn't allow SSR owners to book other resorts for that same time either, that would be he fair thing to do and still accomplish the ability for SSR members to reserve their resort when it opens.

 

[Dean]

Originally posted by Xtine76
Oh so I guess it would be OK for me to NOT BE ABLE to get a room ANYWHERE because all the other DVC members who have home resorts reserved the very limited amount of rooms at my home resort? I don't understand all this SSR bashing, it really is ludicrious.

No bashing, of you or the resort. Only stating that DVC instituted an unfair policy. It's not your fault.

Oh and in terms of SSR getting a head start at other resorts-not true-I can't attempt to book at vero beach for august until february third.

No true, you could have booked VB before that and within the 7 month window. At a time when other DVC members could not have booked SSR. It's not fair, period.

Exactly my point. Thought provoking. Your example is exactly the weird scenario that needs to exist to allow proper access to all SSR owners as their units are completed and put into inventory. I think that this was a blip, and as many have said DVC has no track record doing this with previous new resorts.

However, when you compare the size of SSR to either BCV or VWL, it is not even close.

Actually VWL is the smallest resort at only 142 or so units, SSR will pass it very quickly. The problem isn't really the home points, it's with other members trying to book at non home resosrts. The pool of points for that two month window is larger than units available by the number of units/points from SSR. This means that someone trying to book at a non home resort at the 7 month window WHO IS NOT A SSR member is at a significant disadvantage.

 

[stacy6552]

Hello? If an SSR owner is staying at the BCV in July, then that is a unit at SSR that they are not renting and, in theory will be available to a BCV owner who wants it in Feb. SSR owners cant stay anywhere until their inventory is available. You cant argue inventory for that very reason. Obviously Disney cant accomodate every single DVC family at one time.

If you cant book your home resort 6 months out, what do you say? I should have booked earlier, probably. I should have booked while I had priority, porbably. Dinsey provides every owner with a priority booking window. If a BCV owner wants to book BCV in June, they had that oppertunity from July to October. If an SSR owners wants to book at SSR for June, they only get that oppertunity in Dec and Jan.

 

[Maistre Gracey]

While I cetainly understand the OP's point, I just don't see the big deal. As long as all other resorts can start booking SSR at the same time, does it really make any difference? As another poster pointed out, for every room a SSR owner takes from BW, there will be another room open at SSR. All other DVC members will have equal shot at that villa, albeit a 5 month window instead of 7 (or whatever the actual number of months are).

Am I missing something?

MG

 

[Dean]

Originally posted by stacy6552
Hello? If an SSR owner is staying at the BCV in July, then that is a unit at SSR that they are not renting and, in theory will be available to a BCV owner who wants it in Feb. SSR owners cant stay anywhere until their inventory is available. You cant argue inventory for that very reason. Obviously Disney cant accomodate every single DVC family at one time.

If you cant book your home resort 6 months out, what do you say? I should have booked earlier, probably. I should have booked while I had priority, porbably. Dinsey provides every owner with a priority booking window. If a BCV owner wants to book BCV in June, they had that oppertunity from July to October. If an SSR owners wants to book at SSR for June, they only get that oppertunity in Dec and Jan.

That's only partly true but normally if an owner at one resort books another for July, that means that potentially a July unit at that person's home resort will be available, and that is the difference. In effect, these are extra points that the other resorts will be absorbing and the reality is that there will not be any extra rooms available later at SSR in compensation. The airline overbooking example applies well here.

 

[Dean]

Originally posted by Maistre Gracey
While I cetainly understand the OP's point, I just don't see the big deal. As long as all other resorts can start booking SSR at the same time, does it really make any difference? As another poster pointed out, for every room a SSR owner takes from BW, there will be another room open at SSR. All other DVC members will have equal shot at that villa, albeit a 5 month window instead of 7 (or whatever the actual number of months are).

Am I missing something?

MG

Only the principle of fairness, or in this case, lack of.

 

[DVCTiff]

Originally posted by FriendsOfEeyore
Let me explain my intial point (the funny thing is, I am not even trying to book a room at SSR at this time, but this topic was for discussion)..

If I wanted to book SSR for July, I need to wait until Feb 4th. However a non-dues paying, non-point fee paid SSR owner could book conceivably at the BW now for a trip in late May, early June. They would not be booking their home resort (this assumes that the said SSR owner bought one of the first 4 bldgs). I agree 100% with giving them at least a 3 month window to book SSR.

As a SSR owner, we were told we couldn't make a DVC reservation ANYWHERE until after mid-June so the above is not really true. It was my understanding that SSR owners couldn't stay at any DVC resort until the equivalent space was open at SSR. I thought it was perfectly fair that we got a two-month lead on SSR reservations, otherwise everyone else is within a 7 month window along with us AND we had the disadvantage of not being able to book until after mid-June.

BTW, we're dues-paying and point fee paying just like very other DVC member who stays at a non-home resort. And we only got a two-month window - not three.

 

[stacy6552]

SSR owners cannot stay until their unit is available. Only the SSR owners of unit 1 will be staying anywhere in May. Then in June the owners of untis 1&2 will be staying anywhere......So other resorts are no obsorbing any extra inventory. An owner of unit 2 cannot stay at the WLV in May, because thier unti is not open inventory until June.

So Dean's pretend traveler will only be stying at another DVC resort in July only because his unit is potentially available.