Who thinks Disney is trying to Re-Open too soon?

[mikejuliestl]

WDW under normal operations would spread the virus like butter on a hot bagel. They can not eliminate the risk of infection. They also cannot be the epicenter of an outbreak. I think decisions about park alterations revolve around that. Whether they feel prepared to open or not comes second to travel restrictions, which have no confirmed date to start again. WDW needs CMs and guests from other states.

There is no science to back this up. Actually what little anecdotal science there is suggests the opposite. Covid has been with us for quite some time and virtually no cases have been linked to Disney parks

 

[mikejuliestl]

It's like people forgot why we went to lockdown


It was never to wait out the virus until a vaccine. It was just so we didn't overwhelm the hospital sysrem all at once. Which we didn't. 99% of hospitals were never in danger of being overrun. We succeeded in our goal. It's time to start the reopening process. Simply can't wait for vaccine that may never even come, and if it does it'll be late 2021 at the earliest. You're more likely to die from the travel to Disney than the virus.

Right! Remember that graph with the curves? I don’t recall seeing one that indicated a straight line drop off at the end of a year long stay at home order.

 

[mikejuliestl]

People throw this number around like it is normal and nothing.... you do realize that is 20X deadlier than the flu right ? It may not be 20X right now, but it has already killed more people in a couple months than the flu does in a year.

Disney just has to wait it out a few more weeks and see what the result is of all the 'brave' people who are tired of following distancing procedures around the country.

If you factor in the people that are low risk it’s more like .1-.4%. I’m more worried about my 17 hour drive to Disney than I am about my family getting Covid there.

 

[Sandiz08]

I fully believe we will have some answers on that sooner than the parks open back up. Masks are not required where I live. I wanna say about less than 50 percent of individuals I see out and about are wearing masks. We will find out soon if all this is too early.

 

[Heather07438]

To your first sentence, that didn't happen
WDW was under normal operations before they closed, remember everyone hating on the amount of crowds during the last week of operations?

Good point. We didn't see a major outbreak from WDW before shutdown. It's just not that clear cut to me.

The case numbers never made it up very high. What possible reasons? Weather playing a part? Still early enough in the timeline there to be saved from exponential explosion? People became a little more vigilant about washing and sanitizers? Maybe those reasons compounded each other and more?

Imagine more cases in the area than at the point of shutdown, and I'm packed into Haunted Mansion room, squished onto benches like Kilimanjaro Safari or FotLK for 20-30 minutes, or watching fireworks in a sea of packed people. Guests touching things and eating snacks without a second thought. WDW under normal operations is totally ripe conditions to foster spread. How could I really think otherwise? With enough hot people in there making few if any changes, I'd expect an exponential chain reaction and visitors bringing infection back to their low count communities.

There is no science to back this up. Actually what little anecdotal science there is suggests the opposite. Covid has been with us for quite some time and virtually no cases have been linked to Disney parks

There's a difference between no science and not enough data. Coronavirus has been with us for some time, just not all areas equally. Many places had the fortune of not having alot of cases prior to slow down. Don't forget, this thing grows exponentially. It takes a long time to build speed from 0 to 10mph. Once it gets cruising 30-90mph happens much quicker.

 

[yulilin3]

Good point. We didn't see a major outbreak from WDW before shutdown. It's just not that clear cut to me.

The case numbers never made it up very high. What possible reasons? Weather playing a part? Still early enough in the timeline there to be saved from exponential explosion? People became a little more vigilant about washing and sanitizers? Maybe those reasons compounded each other and more?

Imagine more cases in the area than at the point of shutdown, and I'm packed into Haunted Mansion room, squished onto benches like Kilimanjaro Safari or FotLK for 20-30 minutes, or watching fireworks in a sea of packed people. Guests touching things and eating snacks without a second thought. WDW under normal operations is totally ripe conditions to foster spread. How could I really think otherwise? With enough hot people in there making few if any changes, I'd expect an exponential chain reaction and visitors bringing infection back to their low count communities.



There's a difference between no science and not enough data. Coronavirus has been with us for some time, just not all areas equally. Many places had the fortune of not having alot of cases prior to slow down. Don't forget, this thing grows exponentially. It takes a long time to build speed from 0 to 10mph. Once it gets cruising 30-90mph happens much quicker.

without getting technical here, and just using common sense, if there wasn't an outbreak when the virus was already spreading around and most people were not taking any precautions and the parks were packed, why would there be an outbreak now when most people have been self isolating and people are more aware and Disney will take additional precautions and safety measures?
not saying it can't happen, just that common sense dictates the chances now should be lower

 

[Saltywardog]

yea, that's like just your opinion man. OP...

 

[Heather07438]

without getting technical here, and just using common sense, if there wasn't an outbreak when the virus was already spreading around and most people were not taking any precautions and the parks were packed, why would there be an outbreak now when most people have been self isolating and people are more aware and Disney will take additional precautions and safety measures?
not saying it can't happen, just that common sense dictates the chances now should be lower

My original opening line was "WDW under normal operations" could spread like butter. Everything else came from that perspective. I still can't discount the likelihood that WDW under normal operations could foster major spread, especially once higher infection rates set in. If 50 ppl are carrying there, maybe WDW under normal operations doesn't significantly change risk to become infected. What if 500 ppl are carrying, now how are our odds spending 7 days at WDW under normal operations? 1000ppl...?

 

[Heather07438]

without getting technical here, and just using common sense, if there wasn't an outbreak when the virus was already spreading around and most people were not taking any precautions and the parks were packed, why would there be an outbreak now when most people have been self isolating and people are more aware and Disney will take additional precautions and safety measures?
not saying it can't happen, just that common sense dictates the chances now should be lower

Is it indeed common sense? Again, Normal Operations was the premise my post stated. Not "Disney will take additional precautions and safety measures". Your points are under a different scenario.

Also, do we know the amount of infectious people visiting and working in WDW will be less? Do we know after 2 months of normal operations it will remain less? What about after 3 months?

I'm glad that Disney doesn't seem to be ignoring that potential at this point in time. Or thinking they'll be going about normal park operations, unchanged, while substantial threat is still possible. I guess Disney doesn't have common sense (like me)?

It doesn't really matter. My family can choose when and how we visit WDW. Everybody will have to pay their own consequences whether that is suffering needlessly under undue caution or something else.

ETA- Sorry, it wasn't my intention to ramble on with 2 posts. Was in the middle of doing a bunch of things and thought the first response was lost.