Who is refusing Common Core tests for 3rd-8th graders?

Who is refusing Common Core tests for 3rd-8th graders?


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Here are the results of Utah's Common Core test called SAGE. It's the one Florida will be using. (A Florida teacher sent me this):

"I think most people are a little shocked at how hard the standards have been and they look at this as a real wakeup to what the standards are requiring," said Rob Averett, director of student assessment for Granite School District.

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Here are the results of Utah's Common Core test called SAGE. It's the one Florida will be using. (A Florida teacher sent me this):

"I think most people are a little shocked at how hard the standards have been and they look at this as a real wakeup to what the standards are requiring," said Rob Averett, director of student assessment for Granite School District.

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Kind of sounds like this district has had issues for years

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/...hools-in-Utah-make-the-U-PASS-grade.html?pg=2

http://www.scribd.com/doc/115079810/AYP-Low-High-Performers

not to mention... http://www.act.org/newsroom/data/2014/states.html
 
These are state numbers, not district. And I don't see how either of these links support your assertion. Utah scores on the ACT close to the national average.

Read the articles...the district you posted is mentioned in those and the links on the side show that that specific district has been low performing for over 10 years....of course the test will be hard for that district...and the state as a whole. That is the point of the test, to identify schools that need to do better.
 

When are these results from? Just posting a chart presents nothing.

As for special needs students, imagine the swelling number of students "needing" assistance so that numbers aren't poorly impacted. There are districts that cheat, sorry, simple fact of reality. Our California district didn't test students with IEPs, just another way of skewing results.
 
Actually it's enlarged when I copy it over and I didn't take the time to unbold it and make it smaller.

Arne Duncan is really swinging his weight around with denying children the ability to take alternative assessments. He's forcing states to get rid of their alternative assessments, and forcing them to play a cruel game of who to save from inappropriate testing by slashing the number to 1 percent when it has been 2 percent.

In his mind, he's doing those kids a favor. Surely they'd all pass the test if only there were allowed to take it. But the other teachers on this thread are telling you what I am, so not sure when you can't grasp it. It's probably coming soon to your state, in fact, as the rules are national.

What is coming to my state? 1%? It has been around since NCLB.

Some states just aren't allowing opt outs. It seems to depend on how your state constitution is written. Even if you hold your child out on testing days, they just test them they return to school.

Also this is so new many parents and students won't realize until it is through how inappropriate the test might be for their child.

And in the 14 states that have a strong alternative assessment like Michigan (which can use their testing for one more year) it hasn't become an issue yet. But it's looming for all of us.

If your state doesn't allow opt out, you can just refuse it. IMO, though unless your child is so far below academically and is getting no accommodations you should have them take it so that you don't end up punishing the school more through loss of funding.

What is looming for all of us LOL...the end of the world???? Nope some possibly low test score...OK probably. Then what? They reassess the test, probably or they wait another year or 2 to see if the new standards help and then see if the test needs to be assessed. They aren't going to retain 60-80% of students, they aren't going to fire 50% of teachers if their classes perform low. Also maybe people will see that this isn't inappropriate for kids, harder yes, but not necessarily inappropriate. There is a difference.

Some of your information is very disturbing not because it is accurate, but because there are people out there who don't take the time to look into things and you are upsetting some people who don't know better. The sky isn't falling chicken little. We will all be fine next year when the test scores come even if they are low. I promise.
 
There is comfort in numbers. If the test is that bad, then kids will fail in droves, and they'll have to step back and reassess.
 
Read the articles...the district you posted is mentioned in those and the links on the side show that that specific district has been low performing for over 10 years....of course the test will be hard for that district...and the state as a whole. That is the point of the test, to identify schools that need to do better.


So it's just as I have said: The CC standards and the tests are geared for the top performers. If you are not in the top 30 percent of learners or you have issues like poverty, disabilities or even being a person of color, these standards and tests are geared against you. The Utah state numbers clearly show the bias.
 
I love how you endorse the huge waste of time this all is, then.

Once again your lack of understanding causes you to misinterpret information. Learning something isn't a huge waste of time. Doesn't mean it won't be tweaked, but I doubt we will see the CC going away. It is actually a good thing. Standardized testing isn't going away, but doesn't mean it won't be tweaked and possibly be renamed to make all the doomsayers happy. Most people would be silent who are up in arms if they switched back to the old name, but kept the questions the same. That is the funny thing about it. Most don't truly educate themselves, they just hop on the bandwagon when it comes driving by.
 
I love how you endorse the huge waste of time this all is, then.

I don't think that its a waste of time to give an assessment and see how things go.

I'm an engineer. We have a HUGE new contract. We have a number of processes that we are implementing now that are somewhat of a "lets try this process that works for X group and see how it works" I'm sure we will be changing them becasue we find that some don't fully work for us. Its still better then not trying to have process improvements at all.

So if they find that 60% of students fail then they can look at the results and determine if:
  1. Many of the students didn't understand the test or had other logistical issues.
  2. The standards were too hard which also could mean either
    1. These students weren't taught this material at all. (Say one school had 60% fail but the school in the next town only had 15% fail)
    2. The standard was just unrealistic
I have taken tests before that are designed to continue until you get to the part you fail. So maybe part of the issue is just get kids to learn that they don't need to be perfect at anything and if they get to a question they don't understand that it doesn't mean they are stupid. I think it would be really helpful for schools to give students this type of test (they work great for placement tests they start easy and are designed to keep going harder until they figure out what the first items are that you can't do are). However then a whole bunch of parents would talk about how stressful it is because of all the questions that are possible that are WAY over grade level (because they would have to have questions 2-3 years above grade level for those few students that could already do math, read, etc above grade level)
 
So it's just as I have said: The CC standards and the tests are geared for the top performers. If you are not in the top 30 percent of learners or you have issues like poverty, disabilities or even being a person of color, these standards and tests are geared against you. The Utah state numbers clearly show the bias.

So??? Do you just want to give everyone a trophy for showing up? Not everyone can or will be an A student. Life just doesn't work that way and it's never worked that way. They aren't geared against anyone. If you dumb down the tests, the lower end students will still be lower end students.
 
I'm really torn about these tests and get definitely see problems with it, but....

I really, really don't understand how the simple fact that lots of students might do poorly is, of itself, a problem with the test! If it's a good test, and if it tests what children *should* know, then we sure as heck want to know if kids fail that test. Just because a lot of kids do poorly doesn't mean it's a poor test. The other explanation is that the kids are getting a poor education. Which would be exactly what the test is designed to find out.
 
I'm really torn about these tests and get definitely see problems with it, but....

I really, really don't understand how the simple fact that lots of students might do poorly is, of itself, a problem with the test! If it's a good test, and if it tests what children *should* know, then we sure as heck want to know if kids fail that test. Just because a lot of kids do poorly doesn't mean it's a poor test. The other explanation is that the kids are getting a poor education. Which would be exactly what the test is designed to find out.

I agree, but unfortunately we are just seeing the backlash of the "everyone wins" generation thinking that everyone has to "pass" this test. It just will never happen.
 
There is comfort in numbers. If the test is that bad, then kids will fail in droves, and they'll have to step back and reassess.
Not really. These tests are designed to create a false crisis that our schools are in trouble and need outside help and charter schools.
 
Not really. These tests are designed to create a false crisis that our schools are in trouble and need outside help and charter schools.

I don't know about your area but charter schools here have even worse scores then the worst public schools :D.

The reality is, some kids just are not ready for school, they get little to no support at home, there is a culture/undercurrent in some demographics that doing well in school is not cool. This has happened since forever despite the extra programs and help available. Until those issues are addressed, nothing will change in the overall numbers.
 
One question... for those that have special education IEP students that don't qualify for the special assessment... wouldn't the obvious solution be for their parents to opt them out? Why wouldn't they just do this?

Keep in mind my son is 3 almost 4 and developmentally delayed. He is years away from this so things might change both with the test and with him, but here is my take. For me, there is more than one scenario.

1. If things remain the same and the scores are still tied to school grades and hugely tied to teacher evaluations....I would have to do more research to see what impact opting out would have on his teacher's evaluation. If it harms their evaluation less to opt him out then I would do so.

2. If the tests are used strictly to measure progress and more feedback is given, rather than just a straight numerical 1-5 score, then I would have him take it. I would not stress about it at home and in fact I don't think I would even want him to see his results.




When are these results from? Just posting a chart presents nothing.

As for special needs students, imagine the swelling number of students "needing" assistance so that numbers aren't poorly impacted. There are districts that cheat, sorry, simple fact of reality. Our California district didn't test students with IEPs, just another way of skewing results.

Unfortunately, this is probably true. While I think the theory that schools should be able to decide is correct when tests are tied to things like evaluations, pay and school performance grades it does open the window to cheating. Look at what happened in Georgia a few years ago.

So??? Do you just want to give everyone a trophy for showing up? Not everyone can or will be an A student. Life just doesn't work that way and it's never worked that way. They aren't geared against anyone. If you dumb down the tests, the lower end students will still be lower end students.

You're right, not everyone is going to be an A student. My issue with this whole testing debacle is those in power, the politicians who put these policies in place, is that they want 100% proficiency for all kids at the same time. That will never happen. It just won't. My son is almost 4 and delayed. He won't meet the 4 year old milestones at 4. Below is the milestones copied from the CDC. Let's pretend they are "standards" for 4 year olds. Here is how my son would rate:


Social and Emotional
  • Enjoys doing new things..... YES
  • Plays “Mom” and “Dad” ......NO
  • Is more and more creative with make-believe play..... YES
  • Would rather play with other children than by himself..... YES
  • Cooperates with other children..... YES
  • Often can’t tell what’s real and what’s make-believe...... NO
  • Talks about what she likes and what she is interested in.....YES
Language/Communication
  • Knows some basic rules of grammar, such as correctly using “he” and “she”.....NO
  • Sings a song or says a poem from memory such as the “Itsy Bitsy Spider” or the “Wheels on the Bus”......NO
  • Tells stories.....NO
  • Can say first and last name.....NO

Cognitive (learning, thinking, problem-solving)
  • Names some colors and some numbers.....NO
  • Understands the idea of counting.....YES
  • Starts to understand time.....NO
  • Remembers parts of a story......YES
  • Understands the idea of “same” and “different”......NO
  • Draws a person with 2 to 4 body parts.....NO
  • Uses scissors......NO
  • Starts to copy some capital letters.....NO
  • Plays board or card games....NO
  • Tells you what he thinks is going to happen next in a book.....NO
Movement/Physical Development
  • Hops and stands on one foot up to 2 seconds......YES
  • Catches a bounced ball most of the time......NO
  • Pours, cuts with supervision, and mashes own food......NO

Looking at the above listing he would only score proficient in the social/emotional category. That doesn't mean his teachers aren't doing their job. It doesn't mean he won't get there. He has in fact made HUGE progress, but he won't be proficient when he is supposed to be.

Like I have said before I am not opposed to giving students assessments that are valid and reliable and that provide feedback, more so than a 1-5 score. But I do think it is foolish to think we can get to a place where all students are proficient at the same time. I don't think this is a problem with the test itself, but unfortunately it is what people in power are using to judge teachers and schools without taking into account that students differ so the tests themselves are getting a bad name.
 
I don't know about your area but charter schools here have even worse scores then the worst public schools :D.

The reality is, some kids just are not ready for school, they get little to no support at home, there is a culture/undercurrent in some demographics that doing well in school is not cool. This has happened since forever despite the extra programs and help available. Until those issues are addressed, nothing will change in the overall numbers.

YES!
 
So a student who will only ever read at a 4th level due to a disability should remain in the 4th grade until when? They age out at 21? Do they just repeat 4th grade for 8 more years?

There has to be a better solution than advancing a kid that floundered in 4th grade to let them continue to flounder in 5th grade. They aren't going to learn the 4th grade skills or the 5th grade skills.
 


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