who dose NOT tip MOUSEKEEPING?

[exiles]

I tip for one reason----------KARMA

 

[Sleepy]

And these people do have families, just like you. Many of them work 2 or 3 jobs, and most of them have family members that are hourly CMs at WDW.

Isn't that what most people do when they have a family and one job does not pay enough? They either get a second job and/or the spouse works too.

 

[alyssa810]

We've tipped and not tipped, and it was never service related, just whether or not we remembered mostly. We also don't tip when we stay at a DVC resort since we aren't getting service really anyway. I think we're also pretty easy to clean up after too; our messes are pretty much limited to bath mats on the floor and an unmade bed. We put our own trash in the trash and we don't need our sheets changed daily.

 

[Suzanne74]

I was somewhat disturbed by the post about how some housekeeping staff "don't even speak English"...I'm not sure how that makes them more or less worthy of a decent standard of living.

This may have been me you quoted (I am not sure) but I did not say not speaking english makes them less worthy of a decent living. You misread that. I meant that a person from another country without a highschool diploma and does not speak English can not expect to come to Amercia and receive an income that supposedly YOU think is "a decent standard of living." right off the get go. Their "standard of living" could be a lot less then yours anyway which is why they are coming here in the first place. Each job or profession in this country is a certain income depending on degree of difficulty, level of education, your experience in that field and how difficult it is to fill the position. That is just the way life is, fair or not. I am not saying people with lower paying jobs are less worthy but that it is their salary based on the criteria for that specific position. People (english and non english speaking) DO know upfront what their wages and job description are - do they not? Everyone in this country has a right to quit one job and move to the next if they are not happy, so who am I to assume that housekeepers are all "struggling" or "unhappy" and tip them for those reasons alone?

A starting average salary for an education major (teacher) is $29,332. (quoted from www.jobweb.com) Are you telling me a person who puts themselves thru 4yrs of school (and loans) to teach the children of our future should make the same as a housekeeper at WDW? Personally I don't....
How about a police officer whose salary ranges from $20K to $49K with the average salary $29K (www.policeemployment.com) How about a salary for entry-level firefighter is $9.03/hr ($24,742) and a paramedic's is $10.38 ($28,441) I hope you are tipping all of them because they sure help us out a lot more then a housekeeper does.

Flame away....

 

[mamacatnv]

Tongue in Cheek-with a subtle point!

I am an HR/Accounting Manager, Mom, Wife, Baseball League Volunteer and High School Booster Club Member:

I spend all day cleaning up the messes my Purchasing Manager makes in my Inventory - I think he should leave me a tip to clean up his mess, don't you?

I help my employees clean up all kinds of personal messes as well as listen to all their stories when their lives get messy.
I think they should leave me a tip to show their appreciation, Don't you?

I put up with a snotty, thinks she is superior to all of us, Team Mom, on DD's baseball team. Hey I am a volunteer!
I think she should leave me a tip for having to put up with her crap!

I have had kids in my car, who are not my own, on more than one occassion throw up and I cleaned it up.
I think their parents should have given me a tip for going out of my way to clean up their childs' puke, don't you?

I am chaperoning "Safe & Sober Grad Night" in June. I will be up all night, My kid is not yet a Senior and will not be attending.
I think all the parents of the Grads attending should add some bucks to the tip jar I am going to put at the check in table, after all I will be loosing a nights sleep and putting up with several hundred teenagers!


To top it all off, if one reads the various posts about the people who check in to their resort complete with their Clorox Wipes, sheets from home and Lysol who then proceed to attempt to iradicate their room of all germs and dirt, the housekeepers can't really have that tough of a job, since all the germaphobe/NeatKnicks are doing it for them!

Now, can't we all agree to disagree...............Some tip, some don't. It is not right or wrong, we shouldn't feel guilty or cheap. We shouldn't feel superior to others regardless of how we feel on the subject. It is our money to spend however we want too.

 

[joyeric]

Now, can't we all agree to disagree...............Some tip, some don't. It is not right or wrong, we shouldn't feel guilty or cheap. We shouldn't feel superior to others regardless of how we feel on the subject. It is our money to spend however we want too.


Amen

 

[taeja71]

hmmm..

 

[lark]

A starting average salary for an education major (teacher) is $29,332. (quoted from www.jobweb.com) Are you telling me a person who puts themselves thru 4yrs of school (and loans) to teach the children of our future should make the same as a housekeeper at WDW? Personally I don't....
How about a police officer whose salary ranges from $20K to $49K with the average salary $29K (www.policeemployment.com) How about a salary for entry-level firefighter is $9.03/hr ($24,742) and a paramedic's is $10.38 ($28,441) I hope you are tipping all of them because they sure help us out a lot more then a housekeeper does.

Flame away....

No flame, but it's a classic strawman argument.

Teachers, peace officers and firefighters are dramatically underpaid. That's the bottom line. I can't think of any reasonable person who suggests otherwise. If you were to make a list of professions in the united states that are underpaid, I think that's 1, 2 and 3. Certain types of nurses, maybe all of them, are up there too.

Fortunately for all of us, each of these jobs continues to attract quality candidates for reasons beyond the parameters of this board, but they do, for those who do them, come with a certain amount of psychic satisfaction. The day that people stop taking those jobs in favor of higher paying jobs is the day that salaries will rise in those jobs.

That's all interesting and important. But the fact that some very important professions are dramatically underpaid really doesn't have much to do with whether or not other professions, such as housekeepers, are properly compensated. At least that's my .02.

 

[mking624]

I can guarantee that most of the housekeepers do not report any tips on their taxes... just because it is a law doesn't mean people abide by it. Their immediate boss doesn't even know if they are getting tips so how would the IRS be able to prove it?

If the IRS decides to pull an audit on the individual, they can find out really fast (particularly if you're affording things that your base salary that you're reporting would not be able to afford). I understand people don't abide by it. I'm just stating that just because the job isn't considered a "tipped" position it doesn't mean that they're not required to tip it (since someone said that they don't have to claim it). I'd personally not want to get messed up with the IRS...if people want to chance it, that's completely up to them...but they should note that IRS plays nasty. I've unfortunately seen this happen to a member of my family...their acocunts were depleted in order to pay back taxes as a result. It was horrible to watch them go through it (this was early 90s but they've have random audits since then to check up on things).

I'm not arguing on the tipping issue, I was just stating what the facts/law was on income, regardless if a position is considered a tipped position or not. And I would bet that the IRS are pretty well aware that people tip housekeepers.

 

[archie]

i tip be it disney resorts or other resorts. i know that $2-3 each day will not break my bank, but will make someone elses day. i used to work for less than $20k a year, and living in southern california that is nothing. i could not afford a apartment on my own and have enough money left over to pay for the bills, let alone the food and now to gas up a car. i understand that the cost of living in other parts of the country is lower (as is min wage), but coming from where i did i understand that $2-3 each day can make a difference.

 

[Rlbren]

I wanted to add to this subject as I have first hand experience. I was a mousekeeper at CBR for a year while I was waiting for another job to open up. I appreciated tips, but I never expected them nor did I give different service to the families that did leave tips. I always strived to deliver excellent service to all guests and tried to go out of my way to make their visits magical. Also, it was never stated to me by any member of management that I could not except tips. Of course, this was in the mid 90's and maybe things were different back then. My family always tips mousekeeping. That is a physically demanding job as we never had less then 16-18 rooms a day to clean. Not to mention Disney was not known for paying well. I made min. wage which back then was less then $5.50 per hour but the perks were unbeatable.

I would recommend if you are going to tip, then do it daily as you may not have the same mousekeeper everyday.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[srwarden1928]

I have been staying in hotels since I was six months old, or so my parents used to tell me. I have been booking hotels for myself since I was in college.
My father never tipped housekeeping because he did not think it was necessary. I have never done so either. I have never known that I did not receive proper housekeeping services.

Now if I were to ask for something extra above and beyond, such as extra towels or pillows, then I would tip the person who brought them.

About the only time I tip is servers in restaurants. I tend not to use the services of other tipped positions.

 

[Shell54]

WOW, you folks who don't tip have never worked in a service job yourselves. How would you like to depend on tips as part of your income?? You also don't travel much or to nice places. This is my first time to WDW in many years althougn my Dh and I travel to europe and other places frequently..you always tip housekeeping.You people who don't are (gasp)cheap and shouldn't bother to go on vacation if you can't bother to factor a tip in your budget.

 

[Carrie in AZ]

We choose to tip, usually at the end of our stay. Now that we have kids and stuff all over the place, we rarely have mousekeepers come into our room --- I usually meet them in the hallway, and trade our dirty towels in for clean ones and let them know they don't need to service our room. Also, I like to give them a break because I feel they work incredibly hard and probably not always treated with a great deal of respect, either.

On our last trip to DW, staying at POR, our daughter was so sick - she woke up vomiting. It was horrible and messy. All of the bedding needed to be changed out at midnight. The kindest mousekeepers came up to our room with clean bedding. We tipped them on the spot. The next morning, I found the kindest mousekeeper, explained our situation and she couldn't have been nicer to us. She tried to come in and clean up for us. We got to talking and she let me know she had been a DW mousekeeper for like 13 years! She said when she first started she didn't know if she could make it even six months and she laughed about that! LOL

Before we had kids, we would have our room serviced. On our anniversary trip, we really missed our furbaby, a Golden Retriever, and put up some pics of her near the vanity. When we came back to POR one afternoon, Susan the mousekeeper met up with us and said "I've been keeping an eye out for you, hoping I'd see you when you came back....I noticed the pictures of your Golden, and I have one, too" and she showed us the pics of her dog. She was SO SWEET. And, she told us she had been a mousekeeper for 10+ years. In fact, I asked the other nice mousekeeper about Susan when we were there last and she said Susan transferred over to WL.

These folks are hardworking employees and, quite frankly, I can't imagine doing the job they do, cleaning up after people day after day. My feeling is that they surely deserve every penny they make. Things may not always be spotless or perfect, but can you imagine cleaning a bazillion toilets and sinks a day? Or changing bed after bed after bed while wearing a dress????? Oh my gosh, it almost makes me cry just thinking of it and how hard these folks work.

Thanks for letting me share my opinion.

 

[lopez]

Housekeepers....................I always leave them a $5.00 tip because they are (in my opinion) the hardest working and least respected of all resort workers. I would like to remind everyone here that the people who clean your room are not "Disney" employees. Disney contracts the work out to cleaning services who in most cases pay them minimum wage with little if any benefits. This is also true for most of their fast food workers. This way Disney can avoid paying them a decent wage with health benefits. This is the way a lot of large companies are going........................

 

[ilisao]

First of all I would like to start out by saying that personally I do tip, but I do have a question for someone. If the reason we are tipping is for personal service then why is it we don't tip everybody that does this kind of service such as: A close friend of mine works as a child care worker where she takes care of people's precious children doing everything from feeding them to wiping their bottoms (now that is personal). Nobody tips her!! And trust me her wages stink too!!

I used to give my daughter's sitter a huge bonus at the holidays. One could say that's the same as a tip. I also give the postal worker and our UPS guy money as well.

Personally, some of the attitudes here make me sick. Yes, the front desk staff may be making the same as the housekeeper, but they aren't handling your mess and garbage. And so what if it isn't considered a "tipped position"? Does that mean you can't be generous?

Oh, and for all of you handing a housekeeper money at the end of your stay. You do know that one person may not have been cleaning your room the entire time?

But, that's ok. You go on not tipping so you'll have money to buy another piece of junk at Disney. As long as you feel good about yourself.

 

[Rlbren]

Lopez----"I would like to remind everyone here that the people who clean your room are not "Disney" employees. Disney contracts the work out to cleaning services who in most cases pay them minimum wage with little if any benefits. This is also true for most of their fast food workers. This way Disney can avoid paying them a decent wage with health benefits. This is the way a lot of large companies are going.."


Back when I was cleaning rooms at CBR Mousekeeper were cast members hired by Disney and employed by Disney. I worked 40 hours a week and even had health ins. I had a little Mickey on my health insurance card. Everyone at that time was still hired and employed through Disney. All hiring went through the old "casting Building" near Downtown Disney. Of course...Like I stated above, this was back in the mid 90's. so I'm sure things have changed.

 

[hogwartsdropout]

We tip them now but we never used to. The only reason we didn't was because we didn't know that other people were. When I joined the DIS and found out about the Mousekeeping envelopes, we decided to do that. We put a dollar in per person every day and had a lot of fun decorating each envelope. We'll be doing it again this month.

 

[ilisao]

We tip them now but we never used to. The only reason we didn't was because we didn't know that other people were. When I joined the DIS and found out about the Mousekeeping envelopes, we decided to do that. We put a dollar in per person every day and had a lot of fun decorating each envelope. We'll be doing it again this month.

You can only tip a person if you know other people are?

 

[stephanie23]

WOW, you folks who don't tip have never worked in a service job yourselves. How would you like to depend on tips as part of your income?? You also don't travel much or to nice places. This is my first time to WDW in many years althougn my Dh and I travel to europe and other places frequently..you always tip housekeeping.You people who don't are (gasp)cheap and shouldn't bother to go on vacation if you can't bother to factor a tip in your budget.

I just wanted to say that although I plan on tipping, to say that people who dont tip are cheap is just not right. A LOT of people who go to disney are on a very tight budget to begin with. And I am not "cheap" but when we got on vacation to other places other then disney I do not tip housekeeping.