Which video camera???

k5thbeatle

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Hello!:wizard: I would like some suggestions for a decent video camera to take to Disney this year. Here are a few criteria; admittedely I don't want to spend a fortune as we will probably not use this camera for much else and I would like something relatively small and easy to carry around. Good quality video but state of the art not mandatory.

Any suggestions?:confused3
 
Hello!:wizard: I would like some suggestions for a decent video camera to take to Disney this year. Here are a few criteria; admittedely I don't want to spend a fortune as we will probably not use this camera for much else and I would like something relatively small and easy to carry around. Good quality video but state of the art not mandatory.

Any suggestions?:confused3

I recently bought a Panasonic pv-gs320. It's a 3 ccd camcorder w/ OIS. It's as close to HD quality video that you can get w/out paying over $1000. If you can get your hands on a gs300 it's better. In the 320, Panasonic did away w/ the light and mic input BUT it has a cold shoe. I bought a cheap accessory light w/ rechargeable batteries for it from Best By and I haven't needed to use it yet. 3ccds usually do better in low light than the el cheapo 1 ccd type cameras. It's light, easy to carry and takes great quality video for the excellent price. It was about $400 at Best buy when I bought it.
For that price range I really don't think it's possible to find something that takes such good video quality. If there is I haven't found it yet. I bought 2 other camcorders within the last year and they sucked. If you can afford it, the HD camcorders by Sony and Panasonic have very good image quality as well.
One caveat, the camera, for some strange reasaon, did not come with a shoulder carrying strap. I bought a $5 add a bag type strap from a luggage store and used that. It worked fine and is technically a much better strap than typically supplied straps.
 
You might try looking at www.camcorderinfo.com. I'd recommend the camcorder that I have (the Canon XH-A1), but I don't think that it meets any of your criteria. Well, it does have good video quality, but that's it.
 

I have a post here too, looking for info on what to buy. I have read the reviews, its just soooo much info!

the camera My2Girls66 mentions only has 1 ccd.

I am looking at HDD because I dont want to have to transfer tape or dvd to computer. HDD goes straight to the computer, then you can burn a dvd if you want to. Seems this will cut down on buying DVD's. Our needs are different than yours though, but I did think about what other media I would need for this set up.

Also be aware.. at looking at them online, I see some are NOT compatible with Windows Vista!!
 
I have a post here too, looking for info on what to buy. I have read the reviews, its just soooo much info!

the camera My2Girls66 mentions only has 1/6 ccds??

I am looking at HDD because I dont want to have to transfer tape or dvd to computer. HDD goes straight to the computer, then you can burn a dvd if you want to. Seems this will cut down on buying DVD's. Our needs are different than yours though, but I did think about what other media I would need for this set up.

Also be aware.. at looking at them online, I see some are NOT compatible with Windows Vista!!

I use Mini DV format and my camera hooks right up to the computer via USB or I can record it in analog mode to the (gasp) VCR and DVD recorder that's hooked up to my TV. I find that I like the security of having an actual tape. I know some say that Mini DV is obsolete, but there are many $2k+ cameras out there (and pros) still using Mini DV format. It's generally higher resolution than any camera that burns directly to DV and last I heard/checked even higher than standard defiition camcorders that record directly to Hard Disk. (As long as you don't get the cheapie 1CCD or less models.) So you save a couple hundred bucks and end up w/ junk video especially in low light. For once in a lifetime moments, is it really worth the savings vs. heartache tradeoff if you can't get the shot? DO not get the 1CCD or less camcorders in any brand on any format if you want to be happy with your videos! I bought 2 others in the last year one was a Sony and another was a $200 cheaper 1CCD Panasonic model. They both sucked rocks.
FWIW, the big brother camcorder to the one I bought for $400 used to sell for over $1000 until HD format (I mean High Definition, not Hard Drive) came out. So I feel like I'm getting a $1k camera quality for $400 (it's even cheaper now). That's not a bad deal.

But the biggest reasons I like having the tape is so that 1) I don't have to worry about dumping the video or running out of HD space, and 2) Hard drives crash. Point 1: I do a lot of videotaping/archiving performances (often in low light or backlighted situations) for my job. (don't ask) Anyway, many times, I don't have time to sit there and dump a video before it's time to take another one. So I never have to worry about running out of space; I just have to make sure I have enough tape on hand. I almost never shoot in SP mode and I have been very happy with what I get in LP mode w/ my Panasonic gs320. Point 2: A friend of mine recently had that happen (his camera's HD froze and crashed) before he could dump his video -- and his entire family vacation was lost. (It's a computer -- they crash from time to time.) Another guy I know dropped his HD camcorder and it was toast -- unless he wanted to spend $$$$ to get some comany to try to retrieve whatever was in his cameras HD. If I drop my camera and it breaks, I will still be able to open it up and retrieve the tape. Even if the camera is toast, other than the part that is stuck between the heads (which would have to be gingerly manuvered out of the machanism), the rest would be viewable video if I just buy another camera in the same format.
Most pros will tell you to never re-use MiniDvs, but I do it all the time and haven't had a problem yet. And if I feel like keeping the tape for archival purposes, I can do that as well without worrying about running out of space on my HD. DVDs don't last forever, they scratch, skip, etc, and tapes degrade overtime as well (we're talking years). Knock wood, I haven't had a problem yet with Mini DV tapes. And I never have to worry about the HD crashing and losing all my footage.

If you're interested in Panasonic 3 CCD camcorders, here are a couple of forums:
http://www.pana3ccduser.com/
http://www.camcorderinfo.com/bbs/f25

If you check out the forums, don't get freaked out by some people complaining about their 3CCD cameras getting all pixelated. There was a known issue with a fewer older 3CCD cameras and even though they were many years out of warranty, Panasonic is offering to pay for repeairs to be done, and also to reimburse anyone who already had repairs done. How's that for customer service? Most companies would say, too bad, so sad, sorry your warranty expired 3 years ago.
 
One more thing, if you get a camcorder without a built in light (most now are made that way to save money, especially the cheaper ones) you won't have any options for when you are in low light situations. I would look for one with a hot shoe or a cold shoe so that you have the option of attaching one if needed. As stated earlier, w/ my gs320, I have a cold shoe and light I bought 'just in case' and I have never needed to use it yet thanks to my 3CCD camera. Knock wood.
 
From what k5thbeatle says she's looking for I think the inexpensive Sony like what I have would suit. I don't know anything about ccd's- I do know that the camcorder I have worked out great in Disney, on the ski slopes and in Europe. I use my macbook or the dvd recorder on my tv with firewire to transfer to dvd. Very easy and the quality of the video is very good. I did buy a light for mine too- have never used it tho(it has a 'shoe' for a light on top).
 
I use Mini DV format and my camera hooks right up to the computer via USB or I can record it in analog mode to the (gasp) VCR and DVD recorder that's hooked up to my TV. I find that I like the security of having an actual tape. I know some say that Mini DV is obsolete, but there are many $2k+ cameras out there (and pros) still using Mini DV format. It's generally higher resolution than any camera that burns directly to DV and last I heard/checked even higher than standard defiition camcorders that record directly to Hard Disk. (As long as you don't get the cheapie 1CCD or less models.) So you save a couple hundred bucks and end up w/ junk video especially in low light. For once in a lifetime moments, is it really worth the savings vs. heartache tradeoff if you can't get the shot? DO not get the 1CCD or less camcorders in any brand on any format if you want to be happy with your videos! I bought 2 others in the last year one was a Sony and another was a $200 cheaper 1CCD Panasonic model. They both sucked rocks.
FWIW, the big brother camcorder to the one I bought for $400 used to sell for over $1000 until HD format (I mean High Definition, not Hard Drive) came out. So I feel like I'm getting a $1k camera quality for $400 (it's even cheaper now). That's not a bad deal.

But the biggest reasons I like having the tape is so that 1) I don't have to worry about dumping the video or running out of HD space, and 2) Hard drives crash. Point 1: I do a lot of videotaping/archiving performances (often in low light or backlighted situations) for my job. (don't ask) Anyway, many times, I don't have time to sit there and dump a video before it's time to take another one. So I never have to worry about running out of space; I just have to make sure I have enough tape on hand. I almost never shoot in SP mode and I have been very happy with what I get in LP mode w/ my Panasonic gs320. Point 2: A friend of mine recently had that happen (his camera's HD froze and crashed) before he could dump his video -- and his entire family vacation was lost. (It's a computer -- they crash from time to time.) Another guy I know dropped his HD camcorder and it was toast -- unless he wanted to spend $$$$ to get some comany to try to retrieve whatever was in his cameras HD. If I drop my camera and it breaks, I will still be able to open it up and retrieve the tape. Even if the camera is toast, other than the part that is stuck between the heads (which would have to be gingerly manuvered out of the machanism), the rest would be viewable video if I just buy another camera in the same format.
Most pros will tell you to never re-use MiniDvs, but I do it all the time and haven't had a problem yet. And if I feel like keeping the tape for archival purposes, I can do that as well without worrying about running out of space on my HD. DVDs don't last forever, they scratch, skip, etc, and tapes degrade overtime as well (we're talking years). Knock wood, I haven't had a problem yet with Mini DV tapes. And I never have to worry about the HD crashing and losing all my footage.

If you're interested in Panasonic 3 CCD camcorders, here are a couple of forums:
http://www.pana3ccduser.com/
http://www.camcorderinfo.com/bbs/f25

If you check out the forums, don't get freaked out by some people complaining about their 3CCD cameras getting all pixelated. There was a known issue with a fewer older 3CCD cameras and even though they were many years out of warranty, Panasonic is offering to pay for repeairs to be done, and also to reimburse anyone who already had repairs done. How's that for customer service? Most companies would say, too bad, so sad, sorry your warranty expired 3 years ago.

I dont want to hijack this thread... :goodvibes come on over here to my post please
 
How can you have less than 1 CCD???

The Sony DCR-PC1000 has fewer than 1 CCD.

1) I don't have to worry about dumping the video or running out of HD space
True, but with HDD you don't have to worry about buying tapes or changing them in the middle of a shoot. Given the very large capacity of many HDD camcorders, you are unlikely to run out of recording space if you start with a clean drive before each trip. If you shoot professionally, the "unlimited" storage of tapes is crucial. If you are a typical home shooter, the recording time for a HDD camcorder should be more than enough for almost any trip or event.

they crash from time to time.
That's true, but tapes are not immune to problems. I've had three prior tape based video cameras and two of them had to be repaired because the tape transports got wonky. In one case, we lost the video we shot on an outting because the record head got out of alignment. HDD are more prone to catastrophic failures, but they are less prone to dropouts, dirty heads, alignment issues, chewed up tapes and the other problems that come with tape systems. I haven't seen any data on which is more reliable. I don't assume that tape systems are. For maximum reliablitily, I'd go to a flash memory system.

Most pros will tell you to never re-use MiniDvs, but I do it all the time and haven't had a problem yet. And if I feel like keeping the tape for archival purposes, I can do that as well without worrying about running out of space on my HD. DVDs don't last forever, they scratch, skip, etc, and tapes degrade overtime as well (we're talking years). Knock wood, I haven't had a problem yet with Mini DV tapes. And I never have to worry about the HD crashing and losing all my footage.
I agree that archival could be a problem for non-discplined or computer illiterate HDD camcorder owners. If you get an HDD camcorder, you need to be religious about dumping your video to a computer and burning it off onto DVDs. If you don't think you'll do that, don't get an HDD camcorder.
 














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