Where have all the manners gone.....

[tessqt]

No flames here!! People can be so rude!!

 

[allisonwonderland]

that is sooo bad.Sorry you got treated so rudely.DH and i were getting shoved around right before the MK fireworks.ROUGH NASTY adults the KNEW better....so I just said really loudly"no honey,,not here,,if you need to throw up..run to the bathroom!" hahahahha..THEY almost jumped into the air to get away,...

 

[disneygoof]

I don't think anyone should have to give up their seat on any WDW transportation. It wouldn't even occur to me that those who got on the bus FIRST should offer me a seat, pregnant or not. You wouldn't expect someone to offer you their spot on SM if they got in the queue first...

I've been to WDW pregnant, and with a high risk pregnancy, and I just didn't feel more entitled to a seat than those who had been right beside me in the parks all day...

I guess I don't understand why this issue continues to irk people.

 

[C.Ann]

First order of business is to stop the miscreant. Sometimes grabbing something such as a cell phone or ECV key or an item out of the pouch in back of the wheelchair is necessary. Then when security arrives you file assault charges on the spot, adding "you will drop charges in exchange for fifty dollars or extra fast passes or restaurant entrees for the family" or something like that. Now you could ask for the fast passes an hour later if the guy got away ...

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That was my first thought.. Getting a CM and having security called - but then I remembered how it was when I was in WDW in April.. I was in the parks for 4 days and 5 nights and finding a CM was like looking for a needle in a haystack.. I was VERY surprised because in previous trips you could find one everywhere you looked but that certainly wasn't the case in April.. I'm assuming it has something to do with them cutting back on their work force and that's sad, but if having those people charged with assault wasn't an option they should have - at the very least - been removed from the park..

Some of the behaviors that have been talked about here involve physical violence and one of these days it's going to result in an all out brawl with many innocent people ending up injured because of it.. It's time for Disney to get tough and toss these people OUT..

 

[Tamie]

I always try and live by the rule "treat others as you would want to be treated". Sometime you end up on the short end but at least you know that you were not one of the rude people that everyone remembers.

Normally on the buses if I have a seat and I see someone holding a child or an elderly person. I would ask them if they would like a seat prior to standing up, that way if they say no, you havent lost you seat to "the rude person".

I know that my biggest pet peeve when my children were in strollers were when people would run into them or step over them, that would make me angry, its not like the strollers are invisable or too small to see, I also had the bigger strollers, never like the umbrella ones.

Anyways, just remember not everyone is rude, there are really some decent people still in this world even thought it does seem to be getting smaller by the day.

 

[all4fun]

This is precisely why I don't like going to the parks when they are crowded. There is just a higher concentration of rude people. The ones I remember from our last trip were the two men who got good spots to watch illuminations, waited for the show to start and then popped their kids up on their shoulders so that everyone standing behind them then had to shift or figure out a way to see the show around them. Don't get me wrong, we got there close to the time the show was about to start and we weren't expecting anyone to move out of our way. We knew we could see good enough six rows back however if we had known these two gentlemen were going to do that with their kids right in front of us, we would have moved on before the show started and found different spots.

Then there was the couple behind us. The Man obviously had too much to drink and was yelling stupid remarks throughout the entire show like "Bring out the ball!". The woman was no better with her cigarette smoking. We were tired and decided to leave with the crowd rather than wait it out. They ended up right next to us on the way out of the park. It was very crowded with people walking slow, shoulder to shoulder. She was waving her lit cigarette right next to my sons face so I pointed out to her that smoking isn't allowed in the parks. Normally I wouldn't say anything, I really don't care if she wants to kill herself with those things, just don't put a lit one near my sons face please. Drunk guy, who was carrying the daughter (who looked like she was about 3 or so) started yelling insulting remarks at me at which point my dh stepped in and told him he was an idiot. (That was all he said "You're an idiot".) Thankfully we were able to move away from them at that point. I felt bad for the little girl who was about to be driven home by someone who was obviously inebriated (well assuming they drove anyway - hopefully they were staying on property and taking disney transport). It made me wish I had gone to find a CM and complain about the guy before the show was over...

 

[Laurajean1014]

I would not expect someone to give up a seat for me, pregnant or otherwise. There was a guy standing on crutches on the bus and I asked him if he wanted my seat and he said "No, thank you. I have to learn to balance." Okay, it's here if you need it.

No-one should expect anything but a good time on their vacation.

 

[C.Ann]

I would not expect someone to give up a seat for me, pregnant or otherwise. There was a guy standing on crutches on the bus and I asked him if he wanted my seat and he said "No, thank you. I have to learn to balance." Okay, it's here if you need it.

No-one should expect anything but a good time on their vacation.

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I think it's safe to say that people should "expect" not to be physically assaulted, knocked to the ground, and run over by a wheelchair.. LOL That is not my idea of a "good time"..

As for the seat thing, I would not expect anyone to give up a seat for me, however, I would give up a seat for someone else who needed it..

 

[Mac and Us]

We were there in April. We had a great time and really didn't encounter any major rudeness except for one time.

We were at the Toy store in DTD. The store really wasn't crowded especially near the Mr. Potato head display.

My daughter (3) had just finished picking out all her Mr. Potato head parts and my job was to make them fit in the box. My husband took her to another part of the store while I and a wonderful CM (named Colleen) helped pack the box. We were having a great time figuring out how to make them all fit and still close the box.

Then a couple of girls probably 9 & 10 came up beside me and started pushing me. I stepped over a few steps and then they did it again. By the 3rd time I had had it. I calmly and nicely said to the girls "it's not necessary to push me all you have to say is excuse me and I'll move."

Well I didn't realize the mother was standing right behind them and she jumped all over me. She then stormed off while telling them I must have PMS. I simply replied "nope, that's how I am all the time and you really need to teach your girls some manners".

I was really mad that the mother stood there and let the girls continuously push me.

 

[EmmaandMaggie Mom]

We visited WDW June 5-10 with our 2 year old and 1 year old. We got so many dirty looks from people every time we went to sit down for dinner. My girls were actually being pretty good considering their ages. One woman actually had the nerve to say to me at MK "I don't mean to sound rude but your kids are awfully young to be here ". I couldn't believe that she would say something. We are at the MK. It is for kids. I had already seen many newborns and she was complaining to me about my toddlers who were sitting in their strollers eating their snacks while my husband rode Splash mountain. I just don't get it.

On a positve note, we were at MGM at the Soarin show when just as we were leaving it broke out into a huge rainstorm. I didn't have a poncho and ofcourse I was wearing a white tshirt. Well this 10 year old boy came running up to me and said "Maam here you go, please take this" It was so sweet. I probally gave him too much of a show and it scared him so there are still some nice people at WDW

 

[delilah]

The worst thing that happened to us was at the LMA! stunt show at the Studios. Let me begin by saying that I would NEVER get in the way of an obviously handicapped person in a wheelchair. If anything, I would go out of my way to help if at all possible.

Well, we were standing (along with a few thousand other people) in the holding area out front before the show. A family with a child in a wheelchair came up on the wrong side of the crowd for handicapped admittance. The crowd was really packed in tight and they decided to go through instead of around the crowd. We just didn't have anywhere to move. People were trying to move out of the way, there was just limited space in which to move. The father is yelling at the top of his lungs, "MOVE people! We have a wheelchair! Get out of our way! MOVE! MOVE! MOVE!" They are next to me at this point. I have NOWHERE to go. I'm trying as hard as I can to squeeze together with my family to give them some room. The father takes both his open palms and pushes me into an elderly couple! I try not to hit the couple and wind up on the wet pavement. The mother then proceeds to hit me with the wheelchair (actually cutting my heel). The elderly gentleman says something to her and she screams at him, "You HAVE to move out of my way, I'M PRIVILEDGED WHILE AT WDW!" Everyone is just looking at them in disbelief at this point. I'm getting up and she looks at me and says, "That'll teach you to get in front of a wheelchair!" I felt like crying. Like I said, I would NEVER be inconsiderate to someone in a situation like that. I was not deliberately blocking them or keeping them from entering the stadium. No one was even being allowed in at this point, so I just didn't understand their urgency. By the way, the handicapped entrance was clearly marked and they could have seen it well before they joined the crowd. A CM came over to check on me and some other people they had run over. She told me that they were angry because they thought she would give them special entry priveledges over everyone else and when she didn't they had a few choice words for her.

I know it has to be exhausting dealing with a handicapped child all the time so I let it go. I truly feel for those people. But that doesn't give them the right to actually HURT others waiting in line. I guess I'm still kind of in disbelief that people would actually act like that!

It almost sounds like we were at LMA at the same show. There were some people with a wheelchair making quite a commotion. Either that, or this must be a frequent occurrance.

I have had my share of run-ins with wheelchairs. I have to preface this by saying I am functionally blind in my left eye--I have amblopia, and I don't see anything out of that eye. I was at the Magic Kingdom with my son, who was 3 at the time. It was after the fireworks, and everybody was leaving. He was asleep in the rental stroller. I was bending over to pick him up before handing in the stroller. A person in a wheelchair was so close behind me that when I turned around, carrying my son on my right shoulder, that I almost tripped over the wheelchair. The witch-woman pushing the wheelchair gave me a nasty look, and said in a nasty tone of voice "watch where you're going". I was so dumbfounded I said nothing. I was so shaken, I even forgot to get my Disney dollar for turning in the stroller.

 

[Tinkerbellmom33]

I agree!!
We experienced a lot of rudeness on our last trip in November. Mostly in MK on a Sat night. It was VERY crowded. I guess trying to get thru the crowds, line waits and the heat gets to some people. We did wait for the next bus on many occasions, but how long should you have to wait? Everyone's tired, you just want to get back to your room, so you deal with a crowded bus. I think it's just common courtesy when you see someone pregnant, or whatever, to offer them a seat. Why is that a problem for some people and then to have an attitude like why should my son be put out? What's the big deal? And then to fake a smile? Why bother. That's the exact attitude we're all talking about.

 

[disneyjunkie]

I agree!!
We experienced a lot of rudeness on our last trip in November. Mostly in MK on a Sat night. It was VERY crowded. I guess trying to get thru the crowds, line waits and the heat gets to some people. We did wait for the next bus on many occasions, but how long should you have to wait? Everyone's tired, you just want to get back to your room, so you deal with a crowded bus. I think it's just common courtesy when you see someone pregnant, or whatever, to offer them a seat. Why is that a problem for some people and then to have an attitude like why should my son be put out? What's the big deal? And then to fake a smile? Why bother. That's the exact attitude we're all talking about.

Why bother? So that a child or pregnant won't get hurt.

If you know you need to sit, why get on a standing room only bus? Why not just wait for the next one?

I watched a husband and wife get on a standing room only bus with a 6 month old baby. The husband was holding the stroller and the wife had the baby. My son was the only one to offer the lady a seat. Many of us had waited 15-20 minutes to get a seat instead of getting on a fully packed bus. Why didn't this family do the same thing?

 

[Stephres]

I think that attitude is ridiculous. You have a cranky toddler and you know the longer you wait the crankier he will get, so waiting for 20 (or more) minutes for the next bus (which may or may not be empty) is a better solution than trying to juggle the toddler and hope someone might give up a seat?

It's a freaking bus ride. You are not giving up a ride for a show. If you don't want to, then don't. But don't do and then fake smile about it.

 

[janets]

and we had a rental car so we didn't deal with the bus situation, only the monorail on occasion.

There were days when the parks were really crowded, but I was lucky enough to not notice any outright rudeness. I am a NY native, and when making my way somewhere, often walk with a "take no prisoners" approach. I don't get rude, but I do walk with purpose, and when people stop in front of you, when you're pushing a stroller, without even glancing around to be sure they aren't going to cause anyone to run into them or run over them or hit them, I get annoyed. Because I use a stroller, I'm more aware of them around me. I try my best to keep away from feet and ankles. And I'm very aware of them in front of me. So when we were coming off the monorail and the woman w/ the stroller in front of me had to stop short because her child tossed something on the ground, I was prepared. Not a problem. A bit of common courtesy and awareness goes a long way.

I agree that sometimes you simply cannot wait for another bus or monorail to guarantee a seat. Moving out of the way on a crowded monorail platform, with a child in a stroller, sometimes is not possible. My little guy had a lot of trouble this trip with the heat. He seemed not to sweat enough and got hotter and hotter, so we had to make a quick break for cooler temps. Sometimes this would be the baby center; sometimes we'd leave for the resort and a nap/swim. At that point, I could not wait for a less crowded monorail. We had to go. So we managed.

I don't expect anything in life but common courtesy. I think it's important to treat others like we ourselves would like to be treated. I also know that most of the time, no one will treat you as you will treat them. I always hold doors, move my stroller, keep my older son away from the door so others can get on, etc. I have also had several doors closed in my face, as I was trying to maneuver a stroller through, been pushed from behind, etc. I try to remember my motto of life...a bad day at Disney is better than a good day anywhere else.

I must tell you one of the nicest bits of Disney magic we had this trip. We were on the monorail on our way to the MK from the Poly. We were seated next to two young men (perhaps mid-late teens). I noticed that they were each holding one of the inexpensive light up lightsabers that are sold in the parks (the ones that are made up of several sections and light up). I wasn't surprised, as this was one of the Star Wars weekends. Anyway, they noticed my little guy (almost 3) watching them, as my boys are HUGE SW fans. They then offered the lightsabers to my kids. My youngest was thrilled, but my older son (7.5) was reluctant and said no. The boy who would have kept the toy commented on how he would feel funny being the only one still holding the toy, so I said I'd take it, as I was sure that my older son would be upset minutes later for not having done so. I thanked them profusely, telling them that they didn't know how much fun my kids would have. They told me that it was no problem and we all exited the monorail.

Of course, within minutes, my older son was all over the other lightsaber and the boys spent much down time playing with them in our hotel room and the car. Just a thoughtful gesture from 2 teenagers who made 2 little boys happy. The Disney magic can be anywhere...just look for it.

 

[LynnTH]

We went to a local "Back to the 50's" car show at our state fairgrounds this past weekend. We parked in a lot and took a shuttle bus. As we were approaching the shuttle bus (Me, DH, DS6, DD4 and a stroller) we heard the bus driver make the people in the front of the bus get up and move to the back of the bus (still in seats). Someone then yells why do they get to sit up front and the bus driver replied - "because they have 2 young children and a stroller and if you don't like it you can get off the bus". I just thought it was great and there should be more bus drivers like him. My husband will always let a child, lady or older person sit down before him - even if he has to stand holding the stroller. It's just a matter of common courtesy.On the way back we had to stand, which was no big deal (I did make sure my kids were able to sit down). There were a bunch of us standing and there 2 guys sitting right in the front (which can hold 3-4 people) all spread out not even attempting to move over and let someone else sit down also. That is just so rude. My husband refrained from saying something but he wanted to let them have it.

 

[Nschur]

I personally would be more than willing to give up my seat on the monorail to anyone in need... only one problem with that, I never sit down. I have DD5 & DS2 in strollers and I find it is much easier / practical to stand and hold the strollers. That way my DW can take care of the kids and when the monorail stops I can quickly get off and away from the doors, set the strollers up and be ready to move with the kids by the time my DW can get out. I have seen a lot of rudeness in the parks and have even been to the verge of a knockdown dragout when a not very observant women kicked/stepped on DD's stroller knocking it into another gentlemans ankle while leaving motor cars. Try as I might he would not take any apology or explanation and he actually turned and faced me and purposely pushed me with his shoulder. As a expolice officer my training dictated to just stand my ground and not back down until he left. I do have lots of time behind the handles of strollers and have never nor would I ever purposely hit someone with one. I try my best to watch who is around me and plan ahead for problems and that usually works well for me. And also as DD & I , mostly her though , learned the hard way to watch that darned swinging gate when you get off the monorail at the TTC. And I sincerley thank those who go through it and not just let it swing back on those behind them. Ouch!

 

[SplashLover93]

my family had an encounter with an elderly couple when we were gettting on the parking lot tram. I went on first and there was a puddle so i sat all little ways over from it and my family fit but this couple wanted to get on and tould my dad to scoot but my dad who is very kind was kindly telling the lady what happened and then she got all amd and started yellin while the husband was trying to calm her down it got to a point where my dad yelled at the girl "WERE IN THE HAPPIEST PLACE ON EARTH WOMAN!" and then the husband sat on the puddle it was quite funny seeing my dd yell that people lose there manners very quickly

 

[rt2dz]

We were there the last week of May, and let me tell you I could have started this thread, including the two small children & 6 months pregnant!

While I certainly don't expect anyone to give up a seat for me, sometimes it would be nice for THE OFFER. ((It is that old fashionedness, I don't like strangers (read telemarketers) to address me by my first name either.)) Which, granted a few (very few) did. And I never accepted figuring that they were there first and I wouldn't die standing. Although it really did bug me that one time in the bus there were several parties sitting a few seats from each other making the bus full, unless I wanted to sit in the middle of their party and conversations (which I believe would be rude), and no one would scoot over and sit next to each other so I could sit! And, I believe, that is the point the OP was trying to make.

Heck, on a ferry leaving the MK, I was backed up to a wall in a corner taking up as little space as possible with both kids in the double (side-by-side) stroller sleeping. Some guy who could have walked around TWO feet with PLENTY of room (and more conviently), decided instead to try and push the stroller into me, and I mean into my stomach, until the pain was so bad I was screaming out in pain. As much as I wish I could, I can not walk through walls or other solid items (people). And he still wouldn't stop!! My DH was simply trying to protect me, while some bystander, stood up and yelled at the guy. And his family was STILL going to try and follow--DH put a quick stop to that.

And I witnessed so many acts of blatant rudeness to other people. I was, and still am, just floored by it. I don't know if it is the heat, the crowds, the fact that they think no one knows them & will never see them again, or just the result of bad parenting where they were never taught any manners.

I just try and be the better person, teach my boys to hopefully be the better person by example (and, of course, I also correct them when they are rude and direct them in the ways of better behavior).

 

[LuluLovesDisney]

I don't think the OP "needed" a seat. I think she was just saddened that 20 or more able bodied healthy adults of sound mind and body would sit there ignorantly spread out while she (obviously pregnant) stood there.
I agree with the OP. I could *never* sit there pretending to be oblivious while an elderly, pregnant, or otherwise less easily able to stand person stood next to me, simply for a few minutes of comfort.
When you believe that everyone should be considerate, and live by that principle it *DOES* hurt your feelings to see others disregarding it so callously.