When will we be set free?

[Heather07438]

What I think will happen changes on a daily basis, so I didn't vote. I am leaning toward some states pushing for June 1, and other states, like August/September (will the possibility of some current non-essentials being allowed to reopen sooner, but not everyone). The ones pushing for June 1 will have 2nd waves, the states that delay might have weaker 2nd waves or not at all. The states and communities will break along political lines so there will be lots of finger pointing and I told you so's.

I get the economy is an issue, but it's not like everyone can go back to work and everything will be fine. The question I ask about small businesses is, "How many of your customers can you afford to lose before your business is no longer viable?" Obviously, 100% shut down is a problem. But I hear so many people saying that they aren't going to go back to normal if they think their community is trying to reopen to soon. The mayor, governor can say all they want, but they aren't going to go back to eating out and shopping at the mall or whatever they need to do besides their job, if they HAVE to. Some people will go back as if none of this happened, but do they represent enough customers that they can keep places in business? Can places lose 25% of their usual business, 50%, where is the dividinThere is g line? Also, I think the impetus for providing government help, or even landlords delaying rent, is an easier "sell" when places are facing 100% loss of customers vs 25%, 30%, etc. Everyone will get themselves worked up over who and how much, when speed is of an essence.

It might make us feel better if people are going to work and places are open. But unless people feel truly safe...it will be a temporary panacea as places realize one by one, they still don't have enough customers, government ordered social distancing or not. Then it will be death by 1000 cuts.

2 things will likely happen around re-opening.

• States giving precise outlines for how different businesses must open. Maybe a certain percent of time WFH-able employees must do so, staggering of staff, hygiene, etc. There will be many details specific to each industry. They still have weeks to work on these guidelines for reducing interaction and exposure.
• Using the knowledge we've gained over the rest of this month. Prevention, treatments, best ways to limit spread... all of these will help to get control. Month by month we'll know more and more.

There is hope. We may not be able to eradicate it anytime soon but we can all work together to manage it. We are buying time to get our crap in order and orchestrate a plan of action. I hope we see major improvements with each month that passes and there's a good chance we will. Most everybody is working on this common goal

 

[RamblingMad]

Haven’t seen those in a while

There all on HBO now. And it's free.

 

[shelemm]

Ah no. The old timers do that is retireing but from my class down. Most here don’t. We can live on 80k. Family time is more important.

Not sure how much time you have for family. Between your work, OT (!), and your posting about the coronavirus. Honesty, you must have hundreds of posts by now. Judging from the frequency, I am not sure you do anything else!

 

[MamaLema]

My city has already cancelled all festivals and events in August.

 

[shelemm]

Detroit, says hello.

View attachment 487206

That's the TCF center, converted into a hospital because..... all of their hospitals are "literally empty"


Northern New Jersey says hello too.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/apr/10/new-jersey-coronavirus-hospital-overwhelmed

I could certainly include more.

Are you under the impression all that capacity is for right now? You are being silly.

 

[fortwildernessishome]

I’ve been driving around more now just to kill time. Walmart also. Never spent so much time in one. Lol

Seriously? Spending time in Wal-mart just for something to do? Hard to imagine. Do you not have a family to hang out with? Projects to work on? Any hobbies? In NH we have a "stay at home" order. I would be disapointed to hear of folks just wandering around Wal-mart for no reason but to kill time in my state

 

[fortwildernessishome]

Not sure how much time you have for family. Between your work, OT (!), and your posting about the coronavirus. Honesty, you must have hundreds of posts by now. Judging from the frequency, I am not sure you do anything else!

Well he likes to hang out at Wal-Mart for fun too!!!

 

[mrodgers]

There is no order that you can’t go out for a walk or this or that anywhere. And even the mask orders aren’t enforceable. They can say to wear them.... but In the end. You can’t actually be made to. Now. I’m all for people doing what they want as to wearing them. Free country. There may be some wear them all summer and that’s fine. I support that. I choose not to. But we all have different feelings as to our own safety.
As for the National Gaurd. For that to happen would be Martial Law. And I can assure you that will never happen.
Yes the military is being used for humanitarian efforts and medical. . But once that line is crossed and they actually arrested someone simply walking down the street. Look out. Time to call in the A team. Lol

Already happening, people are getting arrested.

Physically drug out and arrested for getting on a bus without a mask.
Arrested for playing catch with his daughter.
Arrested for surfing, or paddleboarding.

 

[Colleen27]

OMG. Yes, they are holding off on elective surgeries to keep beds open. Ask any critical care nurse if their units are empty. This is a dangerous way of thinking and irresponsible to downplay this.

It isn't downplaying to point out facts. The whole idea of flattening the curve was to keep from overwhelming hospitals. If hospitals aren't overwhelmed, if they're well below capacity, that signals the ability to relax restrictions - slowly and with caution, of course - to allow the demand to creep back up slowly. Way back when this all started, a hundred years ago or so, the logic of #flattenthecurve was that 70% of the country is going to get this thing regardless of what we do, but that we need to spread it out so that it happens within the capacity of our medical system (while also increasing that capacity to meet demand). Empty hospitals and locked down populations to keep the hospitals empty was never the idea, but that seems to have gotten lost somewhere along the way.

And yes, even some critical care units are empty or nearly so. Our 1000-bed COVID19 field hospital has seen 25 patients so far, and some outstate hospitals haven't seen a single case yet. Plans for another field hospital have been scaled down by 75% because of lack of need. This isn't flattening the curve. It is something more like an attempt at containment, even though everyone says containment is impossible and not the goal.

 

[mi*vida*loca]

I say by May 15 things will start opening back up.

I work for a hospital in NJ. The hospital is a ghost town. We stopped all elective procedures 3/16. Since then the hospital has been down on average 200 beds a day. We’ve gone from 90-100 elective surgeries a day to 10. Only urgent radiology being done. That’s not counting all of those same day procedures like colonoscopies and things like that that aren’t being done.

All outpatient offices have gone to telemedicine. So those offices are all empty.

The ER is empty. No one wants to go to the ER when covid is out there.

My SO had to take his dad to the ER because he severely sprained his ankle. He was done in 90 minutes. That’s unheard of in my area.

Most hospitals aren’t overwhelmed. Most hospital systems are actually cutting hours, dropping shifts and laying people off.

Right now we are being forced to use 8 hours of PTO a week since PTO pay comes out of a different payroll account. That’s how it was explained to me. The hospital is becoming low on funds. Some were completely laid off or using 2-3 days of PTO a week depending on your department.

We were emailed that elective surgeries will start May 10.

 

[Colleen27]

Detroit, says hello.

View attachment 487206

That's the TCF center, converted into a hospital because..... all of their hospitals are "literally empty"

And that center has seen how many patients so far? They opened yesterday to serve 25.

https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/de...tients-as-part-of-covid-19-makeshift-hospital
Meanwhile, this is our other field hospital meant to help with the surge in the Detroit metro:

https://www.crainsdetroit.com/healt...-field-hospital-suburban-collection-showplace
Instead of 1100 beds, it will have 250 because of decreased need.

These things have been going on for years. It didn't just start with social distancing and it isn't going to end if we quit social distancing. Our medical system is in need of real reform. Our social safety net has been dismantled. I've seen very few speak up about these things over the years and seen these things greeted many a time with thunderous applause. The fact remains that we have the means to take care of anyone that needs medicine or food. It appears to me that what we lack, as a nation isn't the means, but the will. That is not the fault of social distancing nor is ending it right now going to change that.

True, but this is going to magnify it to a degree I don't think anyone ever imagined. And we still don't have the will to do much about it, so we need to make decisions not based on some utopian ideal where all the millions unemployed and losing their health insurance because of this will be just fine but in light of the sober realities of the impact of mass unemployment in a sink-or-swim culture.

 

[Colleen27]

I see. New Zealand. Well hope that passes fast. Best of luck with it all. I’ve met a few cast members from. NZ. One was at Haunted Mansion.

It is worth noting that New Zealand is taking a different approach. Because they're an island nation and have closed their borders, they are going for true eradication of the virus and a subsequent return to normal (well, as normal as can be without the 40% of their economy that is based on tourism) as a post-virus country. Of course, that only works as long as they keep their borders closed as long as there is COVID19 anywhere in the world, but it is still a strategy that a country as large and as populous as the U.S. couldn't undertake.

You posted while I was composing previous response. Large chains are not immune in the least. In fact, they have more opportunities for loss without much upside.

Yep. The analysts are already predicting that this is the end of the line for Sears, JC Penney and several other retailers that have been under stress in recent years. We're likely to see at least some familiar national chains disappear by the time this is all over.

 

[TJA]

I say by May 15 things will start opening back up.

I work for a hospital in NJ. The hospital is a ghost town. We stopped all elective procedures 3/16. Since then the hospital has been down on average 200 beds a day. We’ve gone from 90-100 elective surgeries a day to 10. Only urgent radiology being done. That’s not counting all of those same day procedures like colonoscopies and things like that that aren’t being done.

All outpatient offices have gone to telemedicine. So those offices are all empty.

The ER is empty. No one wants to go to the ER when covid is out there.

My SO had to take his dad to the ER because he severely sprained his ankle. He was done in 90 minutes. That’s unheard of in my area.

Most hospitals aren’t overwhelmed. Most hospital systems are actually cutting hours, dropping shifts and laying people off.

Right now we are being forced to use 8 hours of PTO a week since PTO pay comes out of a different payroll account. That’s how it was explained to me. The hospital is becoming low on funds. Some were completely laid off or using 2-3 days of PTO a week depending on your department.

We were emailed that elective surgeries will start May 10.

So you must live in an area in NJ like we live in NY (on opposite side of NYC). Our hospital is also empty and we have very few cases of Covid and are not expected to get many more cases. My mother was recently called to re-schedule a hospital procedure and she was told that elective procedures were starting back up on May 4.

 

[shelemm]

Epidemiologists are still calling out for testing/tracking as in the Korean model. We are still behind the times. Hospital beds is one part of the equation, but so are masks, personnel, ventilators, and other supplies. The slower we are with fulfilling these needs, the longer the time until we can safely relax restrictions. Too bad we got off to such a slow and bad start. The real follow-thru has been with the states and the people themselves.

 

[Disneypro1]

Seriously? Spending time in Wal-mart just for something to do? Hard to imagine. Do you not have a family to hang out with? Projects to work on? Any hobbies? In NH we have a "stay at home" order. I would be disapointed to hear of folks just wandering around Wal-mart for no reason but to kill time in my state

Yes. And the kids would go nuts if they didn’t have a Walmart hour. Sporting goods to find a new baseball or something. My son is 14 so he likes the automotive stuff or head to Autozone to think about in 2 years his first car. Can’t stay at home all the time. Got to get out.
Yes Ohio has a stay at home order but. Goto any store that’s open. Especially Autozone. Etc. it’s busy for folks thinking about a car project. Etc.

 

[Disneypro1]

So you must live in an area in NJ like we live in NY (on opposite side of NYC). Our hospital is also empty and we have very few cases of Covid and are not expected to get many more cases. My mother was recently called to re-schedule a hospital procedure and she was told that elective procedures were starting back up on May 4.

A surgeon I know told me his elective stuff starts in early May also. He is bored lol. A lot of our hospitals are residency teaching. That’s kinda gummed up also. They need to do this stuff. The ER residency students even have to do rotations like ENT and such. So they desperately need to get back to elective stuff.

 

[TJA]

A surgeon I know told me his elective stuff starts in early May also. He is bored lol. A lot of our hospitals are residency teaching. That’s kinda gummed up also. They need to do this stuff. The ER residency students even have to do rotations like ENT and such. So they desperately need to get back to elective stuff.

Yes, we've heard similar from our hospital staff. I think being shut-off for 1-1/2 months is enough time for certain areas of our country. Hoping they look at charts in detail (i.e., don't associate ALL of NYS in one category) and make informed decisions based on the facts.

 

[Colleen27]

A surgeon I know told me his elective stuff starts in early May also. He is bored lol. A lot of our hospitals are residency teaching. That’s kinda gummed up also. They need to do this stuff. The ER residency students even have to do rotations like ENT and such. So they desperately need to get back to elective stuff.

And from a patient perspective, it can't come soon enough. I'm overdue for a monitoring exam for a genetic eye condition and starting to worry about a relapse, since stress tends to be a trigger for me, and my bonus son is in constant pain because of a tooth he can't have dealt with.

 

[Disneypro1]

Already happening, people are getting arrested.

Physically drug out and arrested for getting on a bus without a mask.
Arrested for playing catch with his daughter.
Arrested for surfing, or paddleboarding.

They need to appeal. They’ll win in the courts. The Attorney General already addresses this stuff. Can you imagine the lawsuits that will start. Good time to be an attorney.
I was just playing catch with my son during the evening. In my yard. I’d challenge any police to try to get me to stop on my own property. Not going to happen. Thankfully I don’t personally know any police that would do that. Even if they were ordered to. They don’t want to end up in court either.
A lot of Sheriffs refuse to enforce gun laws. This kinda stuff won’t be far behind.
Heck a trooper lines right by me. He still tosses the ball with us. I didn’t read where some of that happened. So un called for.

 

[Deploraboo]

Korematsu v. U.S.

We will look back on what happened here with shame. And I sincerely hope that the so called “elected” officials will answer for their affronts against out Constitutional rights.