When does Disney stop letting you enter attraction lines?

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They can't clean up and get closed until people leave. Get out and let them do their job. Just because they don't sweep you out doesn't mean that they don't want you too. It's not just those that are still there, the crew that comes in and does the necessary maintenance and overnight set up can't start in earnest until everyone is out of the park.

This is so wrong and so off-base. All of the "magic" happens when guest are gone. The cleaning is part of the magic. Disney will NEVER flip all of the lights on while guests are on property waiting for buses, much less eye-shot of the parks. Disney never expected for all of their guests to be on a bus on the way to their resort at closing. If that is what they wanted, they would kick you out like Hobby Lobby and places like that do. Park closing and end-of shift are NOT the same time. Maybe in your job they are, but Disney does not operate like that.
 
That is not what I said. They stay open because that is the time allotted to have people leave. I didn't say don't get in the line, that is Disney's policy. If you are in the line by closing time you stay and ride. The same isn't true of the stores though. That should be a situation where when they ask people to leave (like an hour after) people should leave at that time. Many do not. That is what and whom I was referring too, not the legitimate customers that are generally expected to lag behind. I don't think that the operating hours are an hour longer. That's how long it takes to get people to stop entering and close up. I also didn't ask anyone to feel guilty, what I asked was that people show just a little concern over the people that have to stay longer because people think that they own the place and refuse to just get out.

You are significantly mistaken. Nothing is ever kept open beyond when it is operationally planned to close, including the shops. You've likely just never allowed yourself to be in the parks late enough to experience that. People are very definitely if gently "pushed out" when it is time for them to go. The shops open for an hour after the parks absolutely is an extra operational hour, whether you choose to believe that or not.
 
They can't clean up and get closed until people leave. Get out and let them do their job. Just because they don't sweep you out doesn't mean that they don't want you too. It's not just those that are still there, the crew that comes in and does the necessary maintenance and overnight set up can't start in earnest until everyone is out of the park.

I agree with a PP, this really is silly. You obviously know very little about how Disney manages park close. You keep arguing that somehow, on some mythical planet with Disney parks, guests are allowed to impact scheduled closings, delay overnight maintenance...you are repeatedly incorrect and I think you just don't want to hear it. Oh well. I'm glad you don't run the parks.

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When we are staying onsite (very often in over 60 trips), we will, on one night, stay for Illuminations, the only nighttime show we will watch. It's just my husband and me and we watch from the back of Epcot, away from Future World. The show starts at 9, ends around 9:20 or so, we need a bathroom break on the way out and there are a lot of people moving quickly towards the exit. My husband and I are not fast movers so we just walk, take our bathroom break, and then head for the exit. We are not purposely dawdling but just doing our normal walk style. When we get to the bus stop, there is usually a long line but the hustle bustle people and "have to leave NOW" people have already boarded fully loaded buses and probably had to stand. We just join the line in the back, get on the next available bus, have a seat and are back to the resort before 10:30.

And along the way in Epcot, there are plenty of Cast Members who are waving goodbye with their Mickey hands. Truly, a very nice way to end a day. None of the "GET OUT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!" stuff.

The last time we were Epcot after Illuminations (for first time) we briskly walked to the front of the park, noticed an open gift store, and shopped! We bought a *few* things, too. I had no idea I was inconveniencing anyone or pushing boundaries. There were a ton of people in there with me. No CM looked annoyed at all. Seemed like there were many other people milling around the park as well, all headed generally towards the exit. Pretty sure this is OK.
 
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This is just plain silly.

Guests are not being rude and taking advantage of anybody. Nobody is pushing the limits. This is how Disney runs their business. You are not showing them any special courtesy and being a kind minority. LOL

Disney has the expectation that guests will shop at closing, linger to take photos at closing, schedule meals late, etc. Their employees are scheduled based upon this.
Disney is fully aware of what they are doing when a park closes at 9 and CMs are scheduled to come into work at 5 or 6.

Why do you think they have dining reservations available up to 5 minutes before park closing? Surely you do not think Disney expects guests to have a meal in a matter of 5 minutes?

In actuality, very few of us know the real rules WDW follows when it comes to its employees. There are a lot of assumptions made that may or may not be accurate, or may have been true in the past but are not true now. We as consumers don't need to concerns ourselves with the way WDW treats its staff, but I do think we know much less about the way CMs are actually treated than we think we do. So when you make statements like that, you're just guessing. You may be right and I may be wrong, but you're making the statement based on innuendo and supposition, not actual facts. Or, in some cases, reasonable expectations.

For example, do you think CMs have an unlimited amount of time to finish their responsibilities at the end of the night? Or do you think they have to get things done by the end of their shift? I don't know the answer, but I've rarely, if ever, known a company that gives its employees an open-ended time allotment, and I doubt WDW has 15 or 20 (or 60) minute cushions built into the end of everyone's day.

WDW may schedule for X hours after closing, but a CM still has a time limit to finish their nightly responsibilities, and I'm guessing that time allotment is pretty close to the actual time required for the task. So if they're late in leaving a ride because people show up late, there's a good chance they have to rush (ie work harder) to get the things done that have to be done. Or they have to stay late to get things done, which may or may not be paid. If they are taking reservations until closing then they've scheduled the appropriate staff for that meal -- but they've no way of knowing how many people will end up in a line, so the CMs on duty are there until the end, regardless of when their shift was supposed to end. The idea of line-lateness being inconsequential to anyone isn't accurate, because someone either has to rush, or to stay late, or get reprimanded in situations where jobs aren't done in time because the line was too long at closing.

But that's not really the point. As I said early on, WDW allows it so there's no question as to whether it's within the rules. Of course it is. What I'm saying is that this is another example of a nice little perk WDW offers its patrons that eventually gets strategized for -- and as that happens more and more, expect WDW to eventually make some kind of change to mitigate it because they always do.

So, to be clear, I do not think it is cheating. i do not think it is wrong. I do not think it is an abuse of the system. But I do think the more people who plan on it -- the more people who take a perk and use it to an advantage -- the more likely it is that WDW alter its procedures to minimize the impact of the behavior.
 
So, to be clear, I do not think it is cheating. i do not think it is wrong. I do not think it is an abuse of the system. But I do think the more people who plan on it -- the more people who take a perk and use it to an advantage -- the more likely it is that WDW alter its procedures to minimize the impact of the behavior.

Been going on for about 45 years, guessing it's not changing anytime soon.
 
Been going on for about 45 years, guessing it's not changing anytime soon.

See, I don't think that's been the case. Up until the fairly recent past, the average parkgoer might have slipped into a line at closing with a "c'mon, let's see if we can still ride" mentality. Now, because of threads like this and park guides and whatever else information is out there, it's an expectation, practically a demand. More people are likely to do it. Just like someone posted above -- they like to put their shopping off until after closing. Sounds great until everyone does it, and as everyone tries to maximize their park time, there will be more people doing just that.

Not against the rules, not cheating, not bad behavior. Bu as more people know it's an option, and more people choose to use that option, WDW will eventually address it in a way that might seem detrimental.
 
Not against the rules, not cheating, not bad behavior. Bu as more people know it's an option, and more people choose to use that option, WDW will eventually address it in a way that might seem detrimental.

I see no downside to this.
If Disney can make money from merchandise at 10:30pm rather than at 9:45pm, they'll be happy to keep the tills open.

Look at all the real-world grocery, pharmacy, retail and restaurant establishments that are now open until 11pm, midnight, 2am, or 24 hours... compared to 5, 10, or 15 years ago.

More people. More choices. Longer hours.
 
Just like someone posted above -- they like to put their shopping off until after closing.

I didn't say this. I said it happened on an occasion. Quite a misrepresentation.

Maybe it's the same type of perceptual issue that causes you to believe that Disney doesn't know how to handle its business. They do. Relax.
 
See, I don't think that's been the case. Up until the fairly recent past, the average parkgoer might have slipped into a line at closing with a "c'mon, let's see if we can still ride" mentality. Now, because of threads like this and park guides and whatever else information is out there, it's an expectation, practically a demand. More people are likely to do it. Just like someone posted above -- they like to put their shopping off until after closing. Sounds great until everyone does it, and as everyone tries to maximize their park time, there will be more people doing just that.

Not against the rules, not cheating, not bad behavior. Bu as more people know it's an option, and more people choose to use that option, WDW will eventually address it in a way that might seem detrimental.

The rules aren't going to change. This honestly has been no secret. At every amusement park I have ever been to you could get in line until closing unless they hard close the queue. Disney will actually shut the queue if what is there is more then their crew can handle I.e. When frozen was a 6+ hour wait the first day. Most night time lines will be 1 hour tops. Disney is not suddenly going to stop letting people get in line for every ride in the park. Heck most people don't want to wait 1 hour let alone 2 or 3 after a midnight closing.
 
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I didn't say this. I said it happened on an occasion. Quite a misrepresentation.

Maybe it's the same type of perceptual issue that causes you to believe that Disney doesn't know how to handle its business. They do. Relax.

I wasn't talking about you. It was earlier. Nor have I said anything about the way WDW runs its business. If anything I've been on their side.

And I think I've been pretty cordial through this thread. There's no reason or justification for snippiness.
 
Is this thread for real?

When disney wants you out, there will be no mistaking it. Rarely is that at the posted closed time but it does happen. Ride CMs are scheduled long past park close as they want the guest to be happy and leave excited that they got another ride. Some parks you can get an ADR minutes before close and the park will still be opened to let you out. The adrs I feel a little uncomfortable about as the guests around you start to disappear and I don't like the way it makes me feel but that has nothing to do with whoever decided they were going to seat people so late and the cms work there, they know that happens. I do tip much better though in that case.

And who said the park was even closing? It's just time for general admission tickets to leave. You can book the place all night long for enough money and a lot of companies, brides and people do. Disapalooza common gets a few hours in some theme park or area of a theme park. It's after close but the cms aren't going anywhere, they have more guests about to show up to ride these things. One of the best disney social groups rents the whole place twice a year for many hours after close..

And some of the logic in this thread is funny. Do you not stay for the fireworks that start at closing time? I've seen parades at closing start an hour late.. I've been at MNSSHP when rain was horrible and they had to fire off the fireworks by law anyway so they stayed open 2 extra hours and ran the parade and blew off the fireworks, after the party was scheduled to be over (great night, I really loved that one. Made after hours look crowded).
 
The only thing Disney does better than making money is crowd control. Our exit from the park is being so effectively and efficiently managed so we do not ever feel rushed and never realize we are being managed. When Disney wants to clear a park they do it. Which is why I avoid closing time on a hard ticket party night. I do not like how that exit feels.
 
I wasn't talking about you. It was earlier. Nor have I said anything about the way WDW runs its business. If anything I've been on their side.

And I think I've been pretty cordial through this thread. There's no reason or justification for snippiness.

I had just posted about my experience and you made that comment. I think it's a reasonable inference. I'm no more "snippy" than you are. In any case, I think you're going to have to just curse us heathens who dawdle in Disney after printed closing hours, while Disney will cry all the way to the bank. Have a great day!
 
In actuality, very few of us know the real rules WDW follows when it comes to its employees. There are a lot of assumptions made that may or may not be accurate, or may have been true in the past but are not true now. We as consumers don't need to concerns ourselves with the way WDW treats its staff, but I do think we know much less about the way CMs are actually treated than we think we do. So when you make statements like that, you're just guessing. You may be right and I may be wrong, but you're making the statement based on innuendo and supposition, not actual facts. Or, in some cases, reasonable expectations.
You do realize CM post here, right? You may want to go back and read the posts of the person you quoted when you said this. I believe they know more than you are giving them credit for knowing
 
See, I don't think that's been the case. Up until the fairly recent past, the average parkgoer might have slipped into a line at closing with a "c'mon, let's see if we can still ride" mentality. Now, because of threads like this and park guides and whatever else information is out there, it's an expectation, practically a demand. More people are likely to do it. Just like someone posted above -- they like to put their shopping off until after closing. Sounds great until everyone does it, and as everyone tries to maximize their park time, there will be more people doing just that.

Not against the rules, not cheating, not bad behavior. Bu as more people know it's an option, and more people choose to use that option, WDW will eventually address it in a way that might seem detrimental.
Again, you would be incorrect. It has always been the case. They have always kept the lines open till closing, meaning if you got in line anytime the lines were open you got to ride. They have never cleared the queue just because the park closed. You may not have known but that doesn't mean others didn't. I think you were more in the minority than you realize.
 
This has honestly been one of the best reads on here in awhile.

I just want to point out the last time I was in the Magic Kingdom at close, there were cast members at the entrances to most of the rides in Fantasyland calling for guests to get into line for one last ride at park closing.
 
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