When did "I seen" become acceptable?!?!? VENT!!!!

[manning]

I seen a thread on this issue not too long ago, but I can't find where it's at.

 

[Sorsha]

OK...I'm going to get SOOO Flammed for this...but here I go:

What is everyone's deal?!?!? I mean...is it REALLY that serious???? And why does everyone assume when people (or certain people) mis-use words, that they're not educated? I mean, seriously!! Just because I may misspell a word, pronounce it wrong, or get the meaning of it mixed up DOES NOT mean that I'm dumb, stupid, ignorant, etc.

Maybe I haven't been taught the proper way of using it, the environment I grew up in, or whatever the reason. I hate that more than anything when people automatically assume your dumb because you may not know how to use or pronounce a word(s)!!!

Do you know how many people I have seen misspell words, leave out words, or completely just mess up a whole sentence on here?!?! TONS!!! Do I think they're stupid or incapable of holding a decent conversation because of their misspelling(s)???? No. Maybe they were in a hurry or whatever the reason.

I understand that some word usage may cause people to go bananas over, but please don't assume that they're stupid or didn't get a good education just because of this reason. They're probably a lot smarter than you give them credit for.

I have had this discussion with my husband many times. I do not automatically think that someone is uneducated when they use bad grammAr. Said husband, whose grammar can be deplorable, is one of the smartest people I know. BUT. When your speech sounds that way, people who don't know you ASSUME that you are dumb/uneducated. It isn't right, or fair, but that's how it comes across.

If I am interviewing someone for a job, and I have two candidates, and one says "I don't got no college diploma cause I seen how hard it was and I axed my parents if I could drop out and get me a job" and another candidate who says "I did not get a college diploma because it was too challenging so I asked my parents about dropping out to get a job instead" guess who sounds smarter to me??

 

[manning]

or maybe definitely....


I have friends who home school who make all of the above mistakes and another that drives me crazy when they do it but I can't think of what it is at the moment. When they do it I feel like throttling them. How are their kids supposed to learn to speak correctly this way?

I just saw that .....I mean seen that. That's what happens when I get excited, scramble my letters

 

[monkey68]

"I don't want none." (or any other double negative) NO. If you don't want none, then you must want some, right? This works really well at dinner. Me: spooning up broccoli. Child: I don't want none. Me: puts broccoil on plate. Child: But I said I don't want none!! Me: I know, that's why I gave it to you. Now you don't have none, you have some.

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I hope you cut people who learned English as a second language some slack. In some languages, double negatives are perfectly legit, in Russian, it's quite common to have double or even triple negatives. So when you try to learn to speak English, it all gets jumbled. And not to mention that in Russian at least, sentence composition doesn't really have as many rules because it's the endings that tell you if something is the subject or object. I'll be honest, English has some pretty strict grammar rules that other languages don't have.

This is simply the opinion of someone that always seems to "ax" people questions

 

[FireDancer]

And why does everyone assume when people (or certain people) mis-use words, that they're not educated?

It depends on the degree and the setting. Sitting around the living room and having someone say "Me and John..." is wretched but not a big deal. If someone in the office says it I assume they are as dumb as they come. If you are in a formal setting speak and act accordingly.

I was once told by a teacher to always speak as though you are dictating your doctoral thesis.

 

[Sorsha]

I hope you cut people who learned English as a second language some slack. In some languages, double negatives are perfectly legit, in Russian, it's quite common to have double or even triple negatives. So when you try to learn to speak English, it all gets jumbled. And not to mention that in Russian at least, sentence composition doesn't really have as many rules because it's the endings that tell you if something is the subject or object. I'll be honest, English has some pretty strict grammar rules that other languages don't have.

This is simply the opinion of someone that always seems to "ax" people questions

Well of course, I cut English-as-Second-Language speakers slack! English is a terribly complicated language, one of the hardest to learn if you aren't a native speaker. DH works with several Russian immigrants, very nice and intelligent fellows, and I am very impressed that they have learned English as well as they have!

BUT if it is my children (or my husband LOL) no slack is cut. Sorry, but they will learn to speak correctly. Their success in life will be, to some extent, determined by how they present themselves, IMHO. They will not be overly successful if they show up to job interviews with lime-green hair, huge honkin' nose ring, saggy baggy pants with boxers hanging out, or expletive-laden shirts. In the same way, I will not allow them to grow up to tell their future bosses "I axed for some more paper clips cause I ain't got none."

 

[kaytieeldr]

What is everyone's deal?!?!? I mean...is it REALLY that serious???? And why does everyone assume when people (or certain people) mis-use words, that they're not educated? I mean, seriously!! Just because I may misspell a word, pronounce it wrong, or get the meaning of it mixed up DOES NOT mean that I'm dumb, stupid, ignorant, etc.

Maybe I haven't been taught the proper way of using it, the environment I grew up in, or whatever the reason. I hate that more than anything when people automatically assume your dumb because you may not know how to use or pronounce a word(s)!!!

It's likely that everyone who attended school was taught proper grammar; that many people - for whatever reason - no longer use what they were taught can't be ascribed to one's education.
Is it that serious? Well, it's serious enough to, as some recent posts have indicated, negatively impress a potential employer. Poor grammar likely also doesn't give the general public a 100% positive impression of the spearker/writer - and in the latter case, yes, spelling and usage matter.
One advantage to Internet forums such as the DISBoards Community Board is the ability to discuss topics such as poor grammar. It's apparently a serious enough issue that several dozen posters feel the same.

 

[Scurvy]

OK...I'm going to get SOOO Flammed for this...but here I go:

What is everyone's deal?!?!? I mean...is it REALLY that serious???? And why does everyone assume when people (or certain people) mis-use words, that they're not educated? I mean, seriously!! Just because I may misspell a word, pronounce it wrong, or get the meaning of it mixed up DOES NOT mean that I'm dumb, stupid, ignorant, etc.

Maybe I haven't been taught the proper way of using it, the environment I grew up in, or whatever the reason. I hate that more than anything when people automatically assume your dumb because you may not know how to use or pronounce a word(s)!!!

Do you know how many people I have seen misspell words, leave out words, or completely just mess up a whole sentence on here?!?! TONS!!! Do I think they're stupid or incapable of holding a decent conversation because of their misspelling(s)???? No. Maybe they were in a hurry or whatever the reason.

I understand that some word usage may cause people to go bananas over, but please don't assume that they're stupid or didn't get a good education just because of this reason. They're probably a lot smarter than you give them credit for.

Of course everyone makes mistakes. Whether it's a typo or a word that I spell wrong or an oddly structured sentence, I'm sure there are mistakes in every single one of my posts. Hopefully no one thinks I am stupid because of those mistakes.

I think many of us on this thread just have certain mistakes that are our pet peeves - things that make us cringe each time we see them. That's why we are venting about those things. When I see mute point, dinning, loosing (for losing) or things like that it bugs me but I don't necessarily think the person typing those things is dumb.

Regarding the bolded part of your post: If you don't know the right way to use, pronounce or spell a word you are ignorant about that word. People always act as though ignorance is a bad thing, but really it just means that you don't know something. There's nothing wrong with that - we are all ignorant about many things. The fact that someone is ignorant about something does not mean that they are stupid, it just means they haven't encountered whatever it is before. There is a big difference between ignorance and willful ignorance. If you are ignorant you don't know something. If you are willfully ignorant you are choosing not to know something.

For me, it stops being ignorance and becomes something worse when someone becomes aware of their mistake and chooses to continue making the same mistake anyway. If you truly think the phrase is "Mute point", you are ignorant about the phrase. If someone explains to you that it is "Moot point" and you continue to say "Mute point", I will start to question your intelligence. If you spell "losing" as "loosing" in every post even after someone shows you the correct spelling I will wonder why you can't remember how to spell it.

 

[Cindyluwho]

I understand that some word usage may cause people to go bananas over, but please don't assume that they're stupid or didn't get a good education just because of this reason. They're probably a lot smarter than you give them credit for.

OK, how about this: If they know better but choose to use it anyway, either because of culture, lack of class or laziness, then they are STUPID!

 

[jme829]

We moved two years ago to the Twin Cities area (we're actually a Wi suburb) and the thing that drives us (mostly DH) nuts is everything here is take with, go with, come with...

We went back to Ohio at Christmas, a co-worker asked "Are you taking your dog with?" DD's bf wants to go to Target so asks her "Do you want to go with?" etc..

We always want to scream "with what?" How hard is it to add just one more word "Are you taking the dog with YOU?, Do you want to go to Target with ME?"

Now I will admit, that I have started doing it, mostly at first just to drive my DH and kids nuts, but its part of the vocab here and we are all starting to talk that way. Except DH, he still goes crazy when he hears it and has to ask that follow up


I do kind of chuckle at DD's bf however, he and his family are from New Zealand. His parents have an accent (bf doesn't even though he lived there until he was about 10) but they all say been as "bean" and his dad calls the bedroom the "beedroom" . For them though, its just how they pronounce things (they have a English/Australian sort of accent).

My pet-peeves are axe (ask) , birfday, bafroom, betroom (bedroom) and DH loves to say ASHphalt (asphalt) and out of bounce (out of bounds) and he likes to say dere instead of there. Drives me nuts.

They one I have a hard time correcting just because it sounds so dang cute when she says it, is dd10 will say something taste-ez good. She cannot get it that it is tastes. She always has to add the extra ez at the end.

 

[S. C.]

OK, how about this: If they know better but choose to use it anyway, either because of culture, lack of class or laziness, then they are STUPID!

 

[AustinTink]

Okay, I'll play. My biggest pet peeve is the constant pronunciation of the word realtor as REE-LUH-TER. There is no vowel between the L and the T.

 

[DarthKTrava]

Ebonics making its way into normal speech patterns?

I hear that at work alot.... And I do admit to using similar speech patterns that I picked up from my coworkers.

 

[kaytieeldr]

Poor grammar likely also doesn't give the general public a 100% positive impression of the spearker/writer -

The same can be said for neglecting to spell-check one's own typing

 

[KyraS]

Well I'm one that thinks Ebonics is STUPID! We don't speak Ebonics, we speak ENGLISH!!!!! If we are going to okay Ebonics then we need to okay Spanish, French, Italian, German, Chinese, and every other language plus all the other regional, ethnic talk. HECK I live in the south can we make REDNECK an official language?

If you live in America you need to at least learn to speak English enough for someone to understand you! Of course people not born and raised here won't speak it well but at least learn enough to communicate and if you were BORN here, speak ENGLISH!

 

[C.Ann]

I notice a lot of people who say, "I brought" rather than "I bought" - or "I don't want to go out in the rang", rather than "I don't want to go out in the rain"..

One person in particular talks rather strange and I'm not sure if they don't know any better or if they have a speech impediment.. Examples are "sandrich" - rather than "sandwich" - and "warsh" rather than "wash"..

On the other hand, I really enjoy accents - and unusual "sayings" from other parts of the country - particularly the south..

 

[LoraJ]

Ebonics making its way into normal speech patterns?

I hear that at work alot.... And I do admit to using similar speech patterns that I picked up from my coworkers.

Whenever I have heard anyone say "I seen," it was not from someone who usually speaks Ebonics.

 

[Charleneluvsdisney]

I can take a few typo's but can someone explain the word "prolly" to me instead of probably?

 

[S. C.]

Well I'm one that thinks Ebonics is STUPID! We don't speak Ebonics, we speak ENGLISH!!!!! If we are going to okay Ebonics then we need to okay Spanish, French, Italian, German, Chinese, and every other language plus all the other regional, ethnic talk. HECK I live in the south can we make REDNECK an official language?

If you live in America you need to at least learn to speak English enough for someone to understand you! Of course people not born and raised here won't speak it well but at least learn enough to communicate and if you were BORN here, speak ENGLISH!

When I was laid off of work and drawing unemployment I had to press 1 for English.

 

[Kurby]

I can't stand it anymore!!

When did it become acceptable to type or say the words "I seen"?!?!?!

"I seen this at Disney....."

"I seen this on tv...."

"I seen..."

I makes me so mad I want to just grab that person and shake...beat...throttle....ARRRRGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!

It is not "I seen...".

It is "I saw..."!!!

Okay, vent over!

same time that "i go" became the new "i said"

drives me mental too.

i gave up correcting it out loud and just mumble the correct word under my breath

while i'll admit my spelling sucks (thank goodness for spell check) my grammar is pretty good. i just wish the "lazy computer speak" would stay online and not translate to the real world

KWIM?