Whats your opinion?

1) Sure, Disney wants to limit ANY competition for dollars.
2) However, I would like to see casinos in Orlando.
. . . they already have casinos in Florida
. . . they now have gambling boats at Port Canaveral
. . . we could divert some online gambling funds to Florida
3) As for benefits
. . . Florida could use the 2,000-3,000 jobs for all new casinos
. . . gamblers would still spend that money betting somewhere
. . . might as well get some taxes with it
. . . especially since Florida does not have a state income tax

NOTE: If Disney wants to limit competition, let them build another
Gate (park) and add some capacity and creativity. Which, they haven't
done in about 14 years. Yet, Universal and Legoland have.
 
Actually it was a mate about 10 years ago. On my way from MK to WL. The mate said Disney was pushing for gambling so they could put a casino right over there. He pointed to where I believe Golden Oaks is going. He said that they would have to get the law passed and then wait about 10 years for gambling to become more socially acceptable.


I kid you not, that is what i was told about 10 years ago. I did not believe it then and that was the first rumor I ever heard from a Disney Employee.


I know it was kind of OT, but this whole thread just made me think of that day. I could not help but to laugh out loud.
 
Good, I have no use for casinos....just another way to rob people of their money...odds are never in your favor...Florida has enough attractions..casinos are not needed....I like the Disney cruise line just because there are no casinos aboard..

I disagree. Casinos do not rob anyone of anything. People go their free will and if that is where people to choose to entertain themselves that is their buisness. It is no different than people who go to the movies every Friday and Saturday night. They get their entertainment by buying overpriced tickets and snacks, where others spend that money and gamble. In the end the money is no longer in their pocket.
 

The Hard Rock Casino in Tampa is only a 50 minute drive from WDW (of course, that depends on traffic) and that seems close enough to me.
 
I have no problim with it, would not mind one in my county. I dont see why someone, in my part of fla., should have to drive to mississippi just to gamble. I hate to see money leave the state
 
Does this mean we can start betting on the winners at the Tomorrow Land Speedway
 
Does this mean we can start betting on the winners at the Tomorrow Land Speedway

Why stop there? We can have over/unders for people's scores at Buzz Lightyear and TSMM!
 
Oh? Then why are they making more than just "G" rated films? I remember when Disney only made "G" rated movies,,,not anymore. Not to add drinking in the parks. and WAY back when the park (Disneyland) first opened they wouldnt let long hair freaky people with tatoos in the parks.
Yes, you have made valid points. :) However, Disney's core demographic lies with the younger audience (children) -- alienating this group could cost Disney in the licensing of Disney brand toys, clothing, food, school supplies, electronics, games, furniture, and countless 'other' goods -- that are otherwise just ordinary mass produced products but once the Disney name is bestowed upon them, they are deemed 'valuable' and 'profitable'. I don't think Disney will risk the possibility of confusing it's core audience who identify with the brand and purchase their products based solely on the Disney name alone.

Disney also risks losing it's sponorship dollars -- sponsors wont hesitate to pull out of an agreement if Disney violates certain clauses that require them to maintain a specific family friendly image or if they deliberately deviate from the 'core values' used to develop the Disney culture and brand.

Here is an excerpt from the article you posted:

Disney has always opposed efforts to expand gambling.

The Walt Disney Co., one of the most brand-protective companies on the planet, does not want to jeopardize its kid-friendly reputation by any association whatsoever with casinos and the taboo images they often conjure. The company's cruise line is the only major operator to sail ships without onboard casinos, which are typically one of the biggest generators of on-board spending.

"We've studied this issue carefully and remain opposed for many reasons," said Disney spokesman Mike Griffin, "including the fact that it is inconsistent with Florida's brand as a family-friendly destination and with the efforts we've long supported to diversify Florida's economy through research, innovation and entrepreneurship."
This pretty much sums it up. :)

Remember, there was a time (just over a decade) when Las Vegas casinos spent millions attempting to market themselves specifically to families as the next 'Disney World' of the new millennium. Well, families weren't as dumb as the casinos thought and they were not spending (gambling) either. It wasn't long before Vegas abandoned their child friendly shows and marketing campaigns and went back to their roots (burlesque and more 'risque' adult oriented entertainment) and marketed to 'adults only' with the "What Happens In Vegas Stays In Vegas" tourism slogan.

Circus Circus has an impressive 'indoor' amusement park.

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New York New York has a huge coaster and kind of reminds me of HS.

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Treasure Island reminds me of POTC.

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Stratosphere has some serious thrill rides up top.

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Mandalay Bay's pool looks like Typhoon Lagoon

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Mandalay Bay's aquarium reminds me of Epcot's Living With The Seas.

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The Excalibur Hotel has an eerie resemblance to Disneyland's castle.

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Look at the pictures -- Disney has every right to fight this -- they don't want 'this' in their neck of the woods -- as they stand to lose conventions, weddings, international visitors, adults (21 & over) who wish to experience both fun and night life -- and new unsuspecting families -- just by having a location near the beach would be a huge draw for them. Unlike Disney, you know their rooms and counter service food are going to be dirt cheap, price wise.

But that's beside the point, casino's and the nature of how they operate are reaching a critical point. About a year ago, I visited a casino in a major city roughly about an hour from where I reside. I only play the slot machines -- so I was very disappointed to see that all of the slot machines no longer distribute quarters or coins -- it's just all credits and push button. The slots resemble the cross between an ATM and video game. It felt like I was in a huge arcade filled with automatons just sitting there aimlessly pushing buttons with their eyes locked on the computer screens. I also noticed a huge expansion in digital poker.

This led me to form the opinion that the casinos are 'training' and 'conditioning' gamblers (novice and experienced alike) for what is to come -- and that is the legalization of digital online gaming. The world's largest casino giant Caesars Entertainment is already in position to monopolize and seize the opportunity should legalization occur. "They" are already quietly lobbying in Washington D.C. and the biggest hurdle to jump would be with the Department of Justice who is their largest and most vocal opponent.

Don't think for a moment it can't happen, I never thought I would see a legal marijuana shop either. The fact is states are growing more and more desperate for other sources of tax revenue, so this is a real possibility and something to think about. :)
 
Oh? Then why are they making more than just "G" rated films? I remember when Disney only made "G" rated movies,,,not anymore. Not to add drinking in the parks. and WAY back when the park (Disneyland) first opened they wouldnt let long hair freaky people with tatoos in the parks.


Employees could not have long freaky hair (males had to have short hair, no sideburns), no visible tatoos or pierced ears... and, of course, wore their Disney 'wardrobe'. They let anyone be a guest, unless the guest got obnoxious - then they took them to Security for a 'time out'. I worked there from Jan 1971 thru 1973. When Eisner took over the park, a lot of the 'WDW original family' (employees) moved on to preserve our good memories. The times I've gone back as a guest - within minutes I'd hear the question "Did you work here before?" from a WDW person :goodvibes Walt's ideas were far different from what is now WDW in soooo many ways!
 
Employees could not have long freaky hair (males had to have short hair, no sideburns), no visible tatoos or pierced ears... and, of course, wore their Disney 'wardrobe'. They let anyone be a guest, unless the guest got obnoxious - then they took them to Security for a 'time out'. I worked there from Jan 1971 thru 1973. When Eisner took over the park, a lot of the 'WDW original family' (employees) moved on to preserve our good memories. The times I've gone back as a guest - within minutes I'd hear the question "Did you work here before?" from a WDW person :goodvibes Walt's ideas were far different from what is now WDW in soooo many ways!

I wasnt talking talking about CM's with long hair and tatoos.I was talking "guests". see the following.

Myth Six: Disneyland used to prohibit men with long hair from entering the park. While this part of the guest “dress code” was never written down, it was none the less the job of greeters to explain to the long haired men that they would not be allowed admittance to the park. At the time, the 1960’s it was seen that many men with long hair were engaging in activities that could be considered “un-American” and therefore, they were not admitted to the park. Additionally until a labor shortage in 2000, male employees were not allowed any facial hair. After 2000, men were allowed only “neatly-trimmed” moustaches.


There was one other man that was denied entry to Disneyland: Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev. That’s right; the leader of the Soviet Union was visiting Los Angeles in 1959 and requested his one day in LA to be spent in Disneyland! The Los Angeles Chief of Police denied the request because adequate security could not be provided to the Premier. (Just for the record, Khrushchev was clean-shaven.)


Answer: True and True
 
Could care less I wouldn't go if they did build them. If I'm blowing my money on something might as well be an EC retro shirt.


I don't get casinos they have no appeal for me.
 
-- just by having a location near the beach would be a huge draw for them. Unlike Disney, you know their rooms and counter service food are going to be dirt cheap, price wise.

:)

That all depends on competition. We have two of the largest casinos in the world here in CT and nothing about them is dirt cheap, they do not compete with each other they complement each other. Now that Mass. has legalized gambling (at least for 3 casinos and a couple slot parlors) we will see how that affects the CT casinos. One of the CT casinos is bidding for a Massachusetts license; I hope they do not get it, because that would eliminate the chance for competition.

Same thing in Florida, if there are only a couple casinos, nothing will be Dirt cheap. In Vegas you have a bunch of casinos right next to one another, which creates true competition and good rates.


Maybe casinos will be the Kick in the Pants Disney needs to get back into some good nightlife.
 
I'm sorry, but capitalism isn't about squashing competition--it's about embracing it.

Look at what Herb Kelleher (former head of Southwest Airlines) did in Texas-he lobbied lawmakers to vote down Texas TGV, high-speed rail connecting major cities there. What Mr. Kelleher did was effectively reduce the number of transportation choices for residents of Texas and visitors to the state. Why not just allow his product (his airline) to prove it was the better choice? Because he was afraid of the competition.

I'm not really a fan of casinos, basically because 95% of them are smoke filled, but Disney should NOT be trying to lobby against another business venture in a capitalist society.
 











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