What would you do (renters)

[HopperFan]

Glad to hear you aren't going to do anything until they are gone, and key returned. Right now they broke the contract and cost you some income money but if you make them angry you could lose lots of out of pocket money from damages.

Folks gave you lots of great ideas; new contract that covers all; security deposit (good people are fine with this) that covers damages and extra guests; tell them about cameras "to be transparent" that are there for their security; adding insurance as a fee.

I have a home at a FL beach in a community that does active rentals. We do not rent out. BUT not only does the community have strict rules about the number of guests allowed per unit there is also a law about maximum occupancy. I would research to find out what the law is in your area and if it supports your numbers, include in your new contract that by law of "xxx" the maximum occupancy is XX and violation of that could result in penalty fees (since you might be fined if caught as well). This alone may discourage the borderline folks from renting with lots of extras.

Not sure where all your cameras are but I would for sure have one/two on my pool and pool equipment.

Note their name, share with any of your neighbors you may know or your community's association if there is one that gathers that type of info. This type of behavior is what can make it difficult for others or even yourself if it bothers others.

Good luck going forward.

 

[tvguy]

Glad to hear you aren't going to do anything until they are gone, and key returned. Right now they broke the contract and cost you some income money but if you make them angry you could lose lots of out of pocket money from damages.

Folks gave you lots of great ideas; new contract that covers all; security deposit (good people are fine with this) that covers damages and extra guests; tell them about cameras "to be transparent" that are there for their security; adding insurance as a fee.

I have a home at a FL beach in a community that does active rentals. We do not rent out. BUT not only does the community have strict rules about the number of guests allowed per unit there is also a law about maximum occupancy. I would research to find out what the law is in your area and if it supports your numbers, include in your new contract that by law of "xxx" the maximum occupancy is XX and violation of that could result in penalty fees (since you might be fined if caught as well). This alone may discourage the borderline folks from renting with lots of extras.

Not sure where all your cameras are but I would for sure have one/two on my pool and pool equipment.

Note their name, share with any of your neighbors you may know or your community's association if there is one that gathers that type of info. This type of behavior is what can make it difficult for others or even yourself if it bothers others.

Good luck going forward.

Well put.
Chalk it up to a "life experience" and now make the legal changes you need in your rental contract to disclose the camera, and require the security deposit so you have a method of enforcement if the issue comes up again.

 

[brunette8706]

I've seen something very similar to this on one of the tv judge shows.

Hi there! Oh my gosh! Judge Judy? What happened, do you know? Thanks!

 

[brunette8706]

Glad to hear you aren't going to do anything until they are gone, and key returned. Right now they broke the contract and cost you some income money but if you make them angry you could lose lots of out of pocket money from damages.

Folks gave you lots of great ideas; new contract that covers all; security deposit (good people are fine with this) that covers damages and extra guests; tell them about cameras "to be transparent" that are there for their security; adding insurance as a fee.

I have a home at a FL beach in a community that does active rentals. We do not rent out. BUT not only does the community have strict rules about the number of guests allowed per unit there is also a law about maximum occupancy. I would research to find out what the law is in your area and if it supports your numbers, include in your new contract that by law of "xxx" the maximum occupancy is XX and violation of that could result in penalty fees (since you might be fined if caught as well). This alone may discourage the borderline folks from renting with lots of extras.

Not sure where all your cameras are but I would for sure have one/two on my pool and pool equipment.

Note their name, share with any of your neighbors you may know or your community's association if there is one that gathers that type of info. This type of behavior is what can make it difficult for others or even yourself if it bothers others.

Good luck going forward.

Hi there! I just can't believe ALL THE GREAT INPUT everyone has given me! Thank you so much! I really appreciate it! You also make valid points that we will put on the contract. I guess I was naive thinking most people are honest. We will definitely be changing the contract! Thank you!

 

[NYCgrrl]

Not just property damage, but I wonder if her insurance covers liability for that many people?

A comprehensive rental property insurance policy should cover property as well as liability and an insurance broker, more so than an independent ins. agent, should be able to get you adequate coverage for all contingencies.

My firm specialised in cooperatives (a real estate product only found around the NYC region that's similar to a HOA) and condos and owner occupancy was the norm. Thus I'm not really cognizant in how to pass on costs for short term rentals. I can tell you how it's done for long term though.

You add together all costs associated with the property:maintenance (both pool and house), r/e taxes, water and sewage costs and use, repairs, upgrades, replacements, state or county fees, etc for as many years as you have available w/ at least 5 years being best. Divide expenses by the number of years and you now have a base line cost per year. Divide the costs by your annual rental period and you have the data needed to figure out security costs and rental costs. Add in your profit percentage and you have your rental cost per day or week. Keep your rental prices in line with nearby properties so you've less chance of attracting people similar to the ones you have now.

I will say that a 3 B/R unit with pull out is ripe for the unscrupulous to take advantage of with a rental based on 6 people. I would look into how local similar sized properties do their pricing.

HTH

PS- do NOT use judge shows as factual experiences. Like most reality shows there is little reality and lots of purposeful editing going on, LOL.

 

[scrapquitler]

Hi there! Oh my gosh! Judge Judy? What happened, do you know? Thanks!

I'm not sure if it was on Judy or not. The landlord sued for excess guests, and the renters counter sued because there was some issue with the refrigerator and they weren't happy with the replacement refrigerator that the property provided the next day, it seemed like that was just a diversion from their excess people. I can't remember how it was resolved.

 

[tvguy]

PS- do NOT use judge shows as factual experiences. Like most reality shows there is little reality and lots of purposeful editing going on, LOL.

Well, one thing I have learned from the Judge shows is that New York has some very "unique" laws regarding landlords and tenants. And the Judges make a point of saying just that in cases where the parties are in New York.

 

[NYCgrrl]

Well, one thing I have learned from the Judge shows is that New York has some very "unique" laws regarding landlords and tenants. And the Judges make a point of saying just that in cases where the parties are in New York.

NYC housing court is veddy political and biased toward tenants' rights. This is to counter the fact that it was a landlords' court up until the '70/'80s. Be nice if justice was really blind but it isn't.

None of this changes that it generally takes much longer than 15 minutes to resolve a case IRL so obviously a heck of a lot of info is not included in the TV shows. Oh right and judges don't make a habit of disparaging peoples' lifestyles, clothing, or tell them they think they are lying until after the case is over, LOL.

 

[tvguy]

Oh right and judges don't make a habit of disparaging peoples' lifestyles, clothing, or tell them they think they are lying until after the case is over, LOL.

The one's getting paid $47 million a year do.

 

[NYCgrrl]

The one's getting paid $47 million a year do.

Oh right, the ones retired from being real judges now, LMAO.
Wouldn't be surprised that "Judge Judy" is making that much money as she produces a slew of reality shows.