What would you do? Grade level question for child

DD is a third grader, going into 4th this fall. If I were to say anything from the few things you mentioned, I would say to either do 3rd grade if your school offers enrichment for subjects he would be ahead of others in. Or place him in 4th grade and he may need extra tutoring. It's hard to truly know your child's reading, writing and comprehension level without a testing or evaluation. The public schools should be able to provide this. I would call the school before the summer break and arrange for an evaluation. It would be sad to place him in the wrong grade and as he has bonded with classmates and teacher to move him. DDs class has a big age range of children. DD is 8 and is the youngest, there is a boy who is 10. It isn't always about their physiological age. I think it's great you are asking these questions instead of just going with his age.
 
Obviously get him tested. I would personally put him in 3rd grade. It would be much better on his self esteem if he were to be pushed up mid-year than held back at the end. And you never know, he might do better in public school. It just depends on the kid. We have the opposite problem with my DN. He is in public school and my sister is debating on wether or not to push him up a year. He is changing school systems for 2nd grade next year as the small school he is in now is doing nothing for him. (in fact, the little know-it-all has gotten in trouble many times for correcting the teacher) My DS has decided if he is still having trouble, she will homeschool him....Anyway, good luck with whatever decision you make! It will be quite an adjustment for both of you, I'm sure! :)
 
His birthday is February and he turned 9. So he is definitely the right age for 4th next year. He is very short and small though and has some behaviours that are more along with younger kids.

But I think even then there are many these days who are a year behind what the schools allow, esp. boys.

Dawn



I would definitely hold him back, based on your descriptions. My younger son is only in the "middle of the pack" in age in K, and he was 6 back in early Dec. And my 5th grade DS, with a Feb. bday, is small for his age and it has been very difficult for him for the past two years. Academically, he is fine, but he is extremely self-conscious about his size. He has friends, but he has also endured teasing on the bus, and even his friends tend to pick him up in the air to show off their strength, which he HATES. Boys in 5th grade are quite competitive athletically, and DS works twice as hard to prove that he can keep up.

As far as academcs, IMO, in elementary school, the reading level is more important than the math level and yes, many first graders are reading Magic Treehouse. Your son could be teased if he were reading that in 4th (unfortunately, some kids seem to get "meaner" as they get older) while I think it wouldn't be uncommon in 3rd grade. By 5th grade, the expectations in reading and writing are fairly high, and he would be expected to make many more connections in his writing/reading than in earlier grades (text-to-self, text-to-text, etc), so I think it would pay to give him an extra year to grow in that area.
 
As others have said get him tested for sure. My dd just finished 4th grade(last day today!) , she was reading Series of Unfortunate Events books, Animal Ark books, she did read a few of the newer Magic Treehouse books. They had to write 2 page reports several times and so on. I found a big difference in 3rd and 4th grade, the teachers expected so much more from the kids.


If your son was my child I would start him in 3rd grade, I would think starting in 4th and possibly having to go down to 3rd would be rough on his self esteem.
 

i currently teach 2nd grade and all but 1 child in my class can read and comprehend MTH on his/her own. I have taught 3/4/5 also (6yrs combined) and in all honesty, think 3rd would be the best choice. First, it would be very damaging on his self esteem to move back at any point, much less at his first introduction to public school. Second, kids will tease or ask questions if he moves back that will make him feel sad and like he isn't smart. Third, a benifit is that your child could get a chance to be a star in another subject (you said he was good at math) that could balance out his trouble with reading self esteem wise. Finally, elementary school is a time to build foundations. It is not good for a child to spend time trying to "catch up" with everyone else. It causes depression, loss of self worth, and takes away time that could be spent on the joys of childhood. While I am not always sure of retention, this is a new setting and gives your child a chance to start the public school at his academic level, not his age. I highly advise private testing though to see why he is struggling with reading books that are grade level appropriate. If you know why, you have a starting point for helping him. good luck.:goodvibes
 
My son is age wise going in to 4th grade next year.

We have homeschooled him from K-3rd. He has struggled a LOT with reading and writing and still does.

He will be going to school next year.

I personally think we should put him in 3rd next year, but DH is adament that he start out in 4th and be moved only if necessary.

I am working with him a LOT over the summer, but I think for his self esteem it would be much better to just start out in 3rd.

Here is my assessment so far:

1. He can read Magic Treehouse books but it is SLOW!
2. He can write 5 sentence paragraphs, but not an essay or anything.
3. His comprehension skills are very high
4. His math and science are fine.

Anyone with a 3rd grader (esp. of boys) or a 3rd grade teacher who can give feedback?????

Thank you!

We are in the exact same situation with DS. He will be returning to school in the fall, after being homeschooled for the last 2 years, and while he would be a 4th grader age-wise, we have opted to enroll him as a 3rd grader. It wasn't an easy call to make and my DH had the same POV as yours, but after talking to the teachers he'd have in the fall (in both grades) and his reading specialist, and talking to DS himself about it, we decided that 3rd would be a better fit.

Our reasoning:

DS really struggled with school in K & 1st, to the point of actually getting physically ill or having crying fits over not wanting to go. This is what led us to homeschooling in the first place, and given his past experience, we're very concerned about his perception of his return to public school. We don't want to toss him back in to struggle for another year.

In addition to that, he was dx'd as dyslexic last year, and even though we've been working with him at home as well as taking him for one-on-one sessions with a specialist, he isn't quite up to 4th grade level. This was probably a big part of his dislike of school, because he had two teachers in a row who missed the signs of dyslexia and instead treated his frustrated acting-out as a discipline/attention issue.

And finally, 3rd grade is a huge year, skills-wise. 2nd graders in our district are expected to read, analyze what they read on a basic level and be able to identify the elements of a story (fiction vs non, plot/characters/setting, etc). In 3rd grade, they spend much of the year on the 5 paragraph essay, learning book report writing, and other pretty specific writing skills. They are expected to come into 4th knowing how to write book reports, research papers, and personal essays. While DS is making great strides and can do some of those things, he's not quite to doing them independantly. Add in the absence of the tools he uses at home (mainly the computer, because handwriting is still difficult for him and he still reverses letters, so we found he "gets" language arts better if i he lessons aren't so intertwined with the mechanics of handwriting), and we didn't think he'd be up to the demands of writing on a 4th grade level.

We didn't even talk other subjects into consideration, because he's working with a 5th grade math curriculum and is a sponge when it comes to science and history. It was solely the issue of reading/writing that concerned us, and that's what we based our decision on. It did make the decision easier when we realized that most of his neighborhood friends are 2nd graders now and he'll be in the same grade as the kids he's gravitated towards on his own. He's always been a bit on the immature side for his age socially and just seems "young" (for lack of a better word: as an example, many of his former classmates already talk about girls, but DS still thinks they are icky :rotfl: ), and I think he'll do well to be in 3rd rather than in 4th with his age-peers.

ETA: Feel free to PM if you want to talk, since it seems we're dealing with such similar situations. I have more I could share, but I already wrote a novel! :)
 
I just got back from meeting with the principal at the school. I feel SO much better now. He is very caring and concerned and wants to help my child succeed.

So, next Thursday we are having him tested.

I explained that my DH and I are in a bit of disagreement over placement and he said that in NC if they don't pass the EOG test they are asked to be held back anyway, so this test will help determine things.

I feel much better.

Dawn
 
PS: He did make some comments that were not flattering about the choice to homeschool, but I tried to just take it with a grain of salt. I am a public school educator too, so I know how the perception can be.
 
I just got back from meeting with the principal at the school. I feel SO much better now. He is very caring and concerned and wants to help my child succeed.

So, next Thursday we are having him tested.

I explained that my DH and I are in a bit of disagreement over placement and he said that in NC if they don't pass the EOG test they are asked to be held back anyway, so this test will help determine things.

I feel much better.

Dawn

Glad you are feeling better! It's great that the principal was receptive and caring.

Is he giving your DS the EOG? It starts in third grade in NC and is being administered this week in DD's school. I don't know if he can give your DS the actual test, but it would be a great way to assess all his skills, not just reading. Sorry I forgot to mention it before when I mentioned the STAR test - the EOG would be better to determine where he is overall, not just his reading level.

Good luck!
 
PS: He did make some comments that were not flattering about the choice to homeschool, but I tried to just take it with a grain of salt. I am a public school educator too, so I know how the perception can be.

Good for you. I am also an educator and certified teacher and have found that just like public education the quality of education may differ between homeschooling families. It has been my experience that the homeschooling families I interact with have been very invested in the quality of education that their child receives. I have met some quacks along the way too.:scared1:

I have been following your thread with interest since we are retaining our son for some of the same reasons as he re-enters public school in the Fall. It is not because we did not fulfill the requirements for the grade levels; it is because my son needed extra time to grow and is now ready for the pace of the public school curriculum. He has gained his confidence in learning back due to the home education he received.

Hopefully, the way you handle yourself will shed a positive light on homeschooling for the administration.
 
My son's will be 9 on June 28. He struggles with reading. His reading grade is a C . Everything else an A or B. He will be entering 4th grade in the fall. I can not tell you how many times I wish I would have started him in Kindergarten when he was 6. The school has linked his struggles with reading to the fact the average 5 year old does not have the ability to blend a word. He has been behind in reading since. Had I kept him out until he was 6 we would not have had this problem.

If you are concerned about his ability to handle 4th grade work I would go with your instinct. You do not want to hurt his confidence. Most kids will not even notice the difference in age. You will be giving him an edge.

Good luck!
 
I'm glad you are having him tested. I teach 3rd grade, and I had a parent enroll her son this year as a 3rd grade student. His cumulative folder didn't arrive until mid December (from a private school). I had spent countless hours trying to catch him up to the rest of the class. He had so many gaps. Turns out, he NEVER attended 2nd grade!!! He was retained in 1st, and was supposed to enter 2nd this year. Instead, his mom pulled him out, enrolled him in a public school as a 3rd grader, and didn't think I'd find out. I wish we gave enrollment tests. It would've saved me a lot of time and the poor boy a LOT of frustration.
 
His birthday is February and he turned 9. So he is definitely the right age for 4th next year. He is very short and small though and has some behaviours that are more along with younger kids.

But I think even then there are many these days who are a year behind what the schools allow, esp. boys.

In fact, I am hearing that in NC the trend is to encourage parents to have them wait to start K until they are 6 or close to 6.

Dawn

If his birthday is in February, he's small, and behaves a bit younger than the typical 4th grader, and is on the reading and writing level you say, I'd definitely say he should be going into third grade.

My son won't be able to start kindergarten until about 3 months before he turns six (due to age cut offs here), so he'll be 9 throughout most of third grade.
 
I would have him assessed if it were me. My DS is in 4th grade now so I know reading and writing are a big part of it here. They are teaching him how to write essays now, so your DS may be fine there if your district is similar. I would find out what the curriculums are like for each grade and see where he fits in.

My son struggled with reading in first grade and we had him in title 1 throughout first, even though they felt he could stop after half the school year. I struggled with reading throughout school and it really sucked and hurt my grades. I really think you should have your district assess his abilities and tell you where he would be better off. Remember just because he is a slow reader doesn't mean he is a poor one. If he is comprhending what he is reading and able to tell you about it then he reads fine, just not quickly. Not everyone is a speed reader. When my mom made me read a book a week one summer because my english grade sucked and do a book report on it, I went from being a really slow reader to a faster one, but I will never read fast like most of my family. I never was able to read and comprehend what I read in text books and still couldn't. The key is to determine if he is reading where he should be although not as quickly. My son is a quick reader on the Magic Treehouse books, but not as fast on the books geared towards kids who are going into 5th grade. I think it's all relative.

The thing to remember is he is starting in a regular school later then other kids and you want him to thrive not feel overwhelmed. It is going to take some getting used to for him and he is probably going to struggle no matter where you put him for at least a few months. You are going to have trust the school enough to put him in the grade he is academically ready for, and if issues develop to help him deal with them. As long as you and your husband work together with his teacher I have no doubt he will do just fine.
 
I homeschool here in NC as well. Have you done your standardized test yet this year? That might give you another neutral indicator of where he stands. Wishing you the best on this transition! At least you haven't moved to TX---my friends did and were treated horribly when they tried to enroll their children into public school there (and they have since done magnificently in all their classes, including AP). Anyway, that principal you dealt with should have better manners; hope it doesn't happen again.
 
He is getting a modified EOG test.

Dawn


Glad you are feeling better! It's great that the principal was receptive and caring.

Is he giving your DS the EOG? It starts in third grade in NC and is being administered this week in DD's school. I don't know if he can give your DS the actual test, but it would be a great way to assess all his skills, not just reading. Sorry I forgot to mention it before when I mentioned the STAR test - the EOG would be better to determine where he is overall, not just his reading level.

Good luck!
 
Well, I always have to laugh at people's perceptions.....do they really think that every ps child is well adapted and normal???? You can find them in every bunch can't you????

Ok, need to go press my denim jumper and start grinding the wheat. :rotfl:

Dawn


Good for you. I am also an educator and certified teacher and have found that just like public education the quality of education may differ between homeschooling families. It has been my experience that the homeschooling families I interact with have been very invested in the quality of education that their child receives. I have met some quacks along the way too.:scared1:

I have been following your thread with interest since we are retaining our son for some of the same reasons as he re-enters public school in the Fall. It is not because we did not fulfill the requirements for the grade levels; it is because my son needed extra time to grow and is now ready for the pace of the public school curriculum. He has gained his confidence in learning back due to the home education he received.

Hopefully, the way you handle yourself will shed a positive light on homeschooling for the administration.
 


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