What not to do at Disney?

[EyeoresPal]

Ok...I gotta share. About 20 years ago I was at Busch Gardens with my infant son. About 10am, I found a nice quiet shaded bench in the far reaches of the park, way back where they had group catering at the time. There were NO people to be seen. About 10 minutes into the feeding, a grandmother and her grandson find their way back there. They sit and a few minutes later she starts lecturing me on my obscene behavior in front of her grandson.

I thought I had planned accordingly, found an isolated area AND used a small receiving blanket to cover my son because it was a bit breezy. This woman didn't even know what I was doing at first or she wouldn't have sat down beside us.

Just sayin'...I was considerate and discreet and it still didn't matter.

 

[hffmnheidi]

Sorry it's taken me so long to get back to these boards. Busy with real life stuff.

The only reason they were asked to leave the restaurant was because she refused to cover up her other girl. The issue wasn't with the breast feeding(which is a perfectly natural thing between mother and child), it was because she was sitting there half naked in the restaurant. They were also asked to leave because her husband was becoming a beligerant drunk and totally disrespectful to those around him and the wait staff.

 

[mrodgers]

There is a difference between a public access private establishment and a public area. How is it that the government can dictate what rules a private establishment chooses to create? It may be illegal in a public place, but I'd like to see where it would be illegal in a private establishment such as a restaurant. Where is the link to the law for it?

Much like a mall or a restaurant can ask you to leave if you are using a camera, it is a private establishment. If you choose not to leave, then you are trespassing. I would imagine the same would go for breast feeding. Sure you may be allowed by law, but if the restaurant asks you to leave and you don't, you are now breaking trespassing laws.

 

[Disney_Mom333]

Sorry it's taken me so long to get back to these boards. Busy with real life stuff.

The only reason they were asked to leave the restaurant was because she refused to cover up her other girl. The issue wasn't with the breast feeding(which is a perfectly natural thing between mother and child), it was because she was sitting there half naked in the restaurant. They were also asked to leave because her husband was becoming a beligerant drunk and totally disrespectful to those around him and the wait staff.

okay, if she was seriously naked, then thats another thing.

 

[Disney_Mom333]

There is a difference between a public access private establishment and a public area. How is it that the government can dictate what rules a private establishment chooses to create? It may be illegal in a public place, but I'd like to see where it would be illegal in a private establishment such as a restaurant. Where is the link to the law for it?

Much like a mall or a restaurant can ask you to leave if you are using a camera, it is a private establishment. If you choose not to leave, then you are trespassing. I would imagine the same would go for breast feeding. Sure you may be allowed by law, but if the restaurant asks you to leave and you don't, you are now breaking trespassing laws.

Its NOT the right to breastfeed in public, its the right of a CHILD, INFANT, BABY to eat when they are hungry!

google breastfeeding laws. It is legal to breastfeed i any public or private area. Some states have extra's such as its the law that breastfeeding public is not indecent exposure.


Forty-four states, the District of Columbia and the Virgin Islands have laws with language specifically allowing women to breastfeed in any public or private location (Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Washington, Wisconsin and Wyoming).

why would you think A child couldn't eat at a restaurant?

 

[Disney_Mom333]

Ok...I gotta share. About 20 years ago I was at Busch Gardens with my infant son. About 10am, I found a nice quiet shaded bench in the far reaches of the park, way back where they had group catering at the time. There were NO people to be seen. About 10 minutes into the feeding, a grandmother and her grandson find their way back there. They sit and a few minutes later she starts lecturing me on my obscene behavior in front of her grandson.

I thought I had planned accordingly, found an isolated area AND used a small receiving blanket to cover my son because it was a bit breezy. This woman didn't even know what I was doing at first or she wouldn't have sat down beside us.

Just sayin'...I was considerate and discreet and it still didn't matter.

wow. That's silly! I hate when BFing moms are harassed.

 

[Disney_Mom333]

got as far as page 32 and cant wait any longer. breast-feeding. i cant grasp in any way how someone can have an opinion on what comes so naturally to a mother and daughter would be offensive. if the woman is not related to you, or known to you, why are you commenting? offensive, i hear you say. im more concerned about YOUR issues and why anybody takes the time to post about something which has nothing to do with you whatsoever. im a 46 year old welshman from the valleys where male chauvinism is king and i can assure you that i find breast-feeding a subject on which i have no right to disagree with. for all you public breast-feeders, long may you continue. by the way, i have 3 breast-fed grown-up children and it was my wife who decided this was the natural way to go. im still shaking my head in disbelief that somebody actually is against something that doesnt concern them. amazing

Thank you sir

Those people the blurt out there unwanted opinions of breastfeeding mothers is why it's so far and few to see.
This is why it took me until my 3rd child to get it! It doesn't matter what others think, its that my baby eats when and how he wants to.

 

[tigger51276]

There is a difference between a public access private establishment and a public area. How is it that the government can dictate what rules a private establishment chooses to create? It may be illegal in a public place, but I'd like to see where it would be illegal in a private establishment such as a restaurant. Where is the link to the law for it?

Much like a mall or a restaurant can ask you to leave if you are using a camera, it is a private establishment. If you choose not to leave, then you are trespassing. I would imagine the same would go for breast feeding. Sure you may be allowed by law, but if the restaurant asks you to leave and you don't, you are now breaking trespassing laws.

It is actually illegal currently in just about every state in the US to ask a woman to leave a public place, mall, restaurant, etc or to even ask her to do it in the bathroom etc. Each states is a little different and you can find your states laws on breastfeeding here: http://www.ncsl.org/IssuesResearch/Health/BreastfeedingLaws/tabid/14389/Default.aspx
And yes it is most certainly illegal in restaurants as well since they cater to the public, it would be like telling someone of a different color or nationality that they couldn't eat there. Normally when a woman is breastfeeding you aren't going to see anything unless you continue to stare and then you probably will see a little something but it's your fault then for continuing to stare. It's really not all that exciting to watch someone eat regardless of how old they are or how they do it. There is the rare occasion when someone is a lot more "free" in how they coverup or not (such as the woman in the restaurant), but that is not the norm, most women do not want to draw added attention to themselves and will try to be as discreet as possible.

 

[Michigan_Minnie]

TOTALLY!!!! This is so annoying!

No kidding! We had one of those traveling with us last time!

 

[DisneyMomm]

As far as breastfeeding in public, like I said before, a baby should not be expected to have a blanket over their head, or be sent to a dirty washroom, and if a mother is somewhat discreet the only way a person would see anything is if they are staring. SO DON'T STARE. So with that I am totally for a mother and baby's right to breastfeed anywhere. What I am against is the type of mother like the one in the restaurant who use it as a way to almost dare anyone to challange her. Taking off her entire shirt and bra, and exposing yourself to everybody by sitting there naked from the waist up is not nessesary to feed a child. To me that is just a way of getting attention and testing how far she can take it. Now obviously she is not the norm for breastfeeding mothers. I do however feel that any breastfeeding mother should take a certain amount of care that her breast is not exposed for too long if the baby has stopped eating. Like I also said before, I am completely on the side of breastfeeding mothers and their right to nourish their child any where the child needs to be nourished. That's what it's all about. I don't believe that this should automatically give a mother the right to over expose her bare breasts just because her baby is in the vacinity.

Now I know I'll get flamed for this next comment, but it does bother me a little bit when a mother is breastfeeding a 2 year old out in public without trying to go somewhere discreet. I had a family member that used to do that and it really bothered me. The kid would sit there at a restaurant and eat a full meal from a plate, and then want to latch on to her mother just as a relaxing after dinner chaser at the table. It was also used if the child fell and hurt herself or to go for a nap. There seem to always be a breast being taking out for any little thing, and the child was 2. This was no longer for nourishment, it was being used as a pacifier. I really don't have a problem with an older child breastfeeding if the mother and child are still comfortable with it. I do however feel that if the child is old enough to undo her mother's shirt buttons and whip out a snack herself (this happened to my family member in a store) then it is past the child needing to be breastfed in public for nourishment. By that age I allowed my kids to have milk in a bottle at bedtime, but bottles and pacifiers no longer came out with us if we were out somewhere.

 

[Disney_Mom333]

As far as breastfeeding in public, like I said before, a baby should not be expected to have a blanket over their head, or be sent to a dirty washroom, and if a mother is somewhat discreet the only way a person would see anything is if they are staring. SO DON'T STARE. So with that I am totally for a mother and baby's right to breastfeed anywhere. What I am against is the type of mother like the one in the restaurant who use it as a way to almost dare anyone to challange her. Taking off her entire shirt and bra, and exposing yourself to everybody by sitting there naked from the waist up is not nessesary to feed a child. To me that is just a way of getting attention and testing how far she can take it. Now obviously she is not the norm for breastfeeding mothers. I do however feel that any breastfeeding mother should take a certain amount of care that her breast is not exposed for too long if the baby has stopped eating. Like I also said before, I am completely on the side of breastfeeding mothers and their right to nourish their child any where the child needs to be nourished. That's what it's all about. I don't believe that this should automatically give a mother the right to over expose her bare breasts just because her baby is in the vacinity.

Now I know I'll get flamed for this next comment, but it does bother me a little bit when a mother is breastfeeding a 2 year old out in public without trying to go somewhere discreet. I had a family member that used to do that and it really bothered me. The kid would sit there at a restaurant and eat a full meal from a plate, and then want to latch on to her mother just as a relaxing after dinner chaser at the table. It was also used if the child fell and hurt herself or to go for a nap. There seem to always be a breast being taking out for any little thing, and the child was 2. This was no longer for nourishment, it was being used as a pacifier. I really don't have a problem with an older child breastfeeding if the mother and child are still comfortable with it. I do however feel that if the child is old enough to undo her mother's shirt buttons and whip out a snack herself (this happened to my family member in a store) then it is past the child needing to be breastfed in public for nourishment. By that age I allowed my kids to have milk in a bottle at bedtime, but bottles and pacifiers no longer came out with us if we were out somewhere.

totally agree about the first part, the second part, not so much. The academy of breastfeeding medicine says They recommend breastfeeding until the age two, its not even called extended breastfeeding until after the age of two. The reason he wanted it after dinner is b/c he's not an infant, they arent eating every 2-3 hours like a baby, its for milk. Its their drink. Now if she was drinking cows milk and breast milk, Im not sure of the point there.

* The American Academy of Family Physicians notes that children weaned before two years of age are at increased risk of illness (AAFP 2001).

* Nursing toddlers between the ages of 16 and 30 months have been found to have fewer illnesses and illnesses of shorter duration than their non-nursing peers (Gulick 1986).

* "Antibodies are abundant in human milk throughout lactation" (Nutrition During Lactation 1991; p. 134). In fact, some of the immune factors in breastmilk increase in concentration during the second year and also during the weaning process. (Goldman 1983, Goldman & Goldblum 1983, Institute of Medicine 1991).

* Per the World Health Organization, "a modest increase in breastfeeding rates could prevent up to 10% of all deaths of children under five: Breastfeeding plays an essential and sometimes underestimated role in the treatment and prevention of childhood illness." [emphasis added]

* Although there has been little research done on children who breastfeed beyond the age of two, the available information indicates that breastfeeding continues to be a valuable source of nutrition and disease protection for as long as breastfeeding continues.

* "Human milk expressed by mothers who have been lactating for >1 year has significantly increased fat and energy contents, compared with milk expressed by women who have been lactating for shorter periods. During prolonged lactation, the fat energy contribution of breast milk to the infant diet might be significant."
-- Mandel 2005

* "Breast milk continues to provide substantial amounts of key nutrients well beyond the first year of life, especially protein, fat, and most vitamins."
-- Dewey 2001

* In the second year (12-23 months), 448 mL of breastmilk provides:
o 29% of energy requirements
o 43% of protein requirements
o 36% of calcium requirements
o 75% of vitamin A requirements
o 76% of folate requirements
o 94% of vitamin B12 requirements
o 60% of vitamin C requirements
-- Dewey 2001

* Studies done in rural Bangladesh have shown that breastmilk continues to be an important source of vitamin A in the second and third year of life.
-- Persson 1998

LOL sorry for all that The site called kellymom.com has sooooo much info for breastfeeding moms and people that just want to educate themselves properly.

people who think anything about breastfeeding children, especially toddlers should really read up on it. just because its not common doesn't make it wrong.

 

[Disney_Mom333]

Not sure that I follow the logic here. I was in India a couple of years ago and people would often squat on the side of a busy public road to defecate. Based on your statements that wouldn't bother you at all, because you could always walk around with your eyes closed??? Be careful though...you might just step in the "evidence."

Based on the "don't look" policy, then public nudity of any kind should be allowed as well. Sorry...I'm not buying that.

If you are in public with me or my kids, kept it covered please. If you enjoy exposing yourself in public, then go to a nudist colony where that kind of behavior is encouraged.

how do you not follow the logic?

Im feeding my child. You wouldn't see anything, if you weren't looking. and if you see something, its not on purpose, Im the embarrassed one.

Go about your business. And don't keep staring. If you don't look you won't see anything.

Taking a poop and feeding my kid is completely different. BUT if thats what they are doing around me, I def wouldn't be looking.

I don't enjoy exposing myself in public, but nothing makes me happier then feeding my baby when he's hungry

 

[DisneyMomm]

totally agree about the first part, the second part, not so much. The academy of breastfeeding medicine says They recommend breastfeeding until the age two, its not even called extended breastfeeding until after the age of two. The reason he wanted it after dinner is b/c he's not an infant, they arent eating every 2-3 hours like a baby, its for milk. Its their drink. Now if she was drinking cows milk and breast milk, Im not sure of the point there.

* The American Academy of Family Physicians notes that children weaned before two years of age are at increased risk of illness (AAFP 2001).

* Nursing toddlers between the ages of 16 and 30 months have been found to have fewer illnesses and illnesses of shorter duration than their non-nursing peers (Gulick 1986).

* "Antibodies are abundant in human milk throughout lactation" (Nutrition During Lactation 1991; p. 134). In fact, some of the immune factors in breastmilk increase in concentration during the second year and also during the weaning process. (Goldman 1983, Goldman & Goldblum 1983, Institute of Medicine 1991).

* Per the World Health Organization, "a modest increase in breastfeeding rates could prevent up to 10% of all deaths of children under five: Breastfeeding plays an essential and sometimes underestimated role in the treatment and prevention of childhood illness." [emphasis added]

* Although there has been little research done on children who breastfeed beyond the age of two, the available information indicates that breastfeeding continues to be a valuable source of nutrition and disease protection for as long as breastfeeding continues.

* "Human milk expressed by mothers who have been lactating for >1 year has significantly increased fat and energy contents, compared with milk expressed by women who have been lactating for shorter periods. During prolonged lactation, the fat energy contribution of breast milk to the infant diet might be significant."
-- Mandel 2005

* "Breast milk continues to provide substantial amounts of key nutrients well beyond the first year of life, especially protein, fat, and most vitamins."
-- Dewey 2001

* In the second year (12-23 months), 448 mL of breastmilk provides:
o 29% of energy requirements
o 43% of protein requirements
o 36% of calcium requirements
o 75% of vitamin A requirements
o 76% of folate requirements
o 94% of vitamin B12 requirements
o 60% of vitamin C requirements
-- Dewey 2001

* Studies done in rural Bangladesh have shown that breastmilk continues to be an important source of vitamin A in the second and third year of life.
-- Persson 1998

LOL sorry for all that The site called kellymom.com has sooooo much info for breastfeeding moms and people that just want to educate themselves properly.

people who think anything about breastfeeding children, especially toddlers should really read up on it. just because its not common doesn't make it wrong.

I agree with you about toddlers to a certain extent. I'm fully educated on the benefits of a child breastfeeding to an older age... my family member made sure to always drill it into me And I'm am completely supportive of anyone who wants to breastfeed for as long as the want to. I think my issue is more with it being used as a pacifier as my family member did, in public. I'm really really really on the fence when it comes to that. I don't think breastfeeding a toddler in public is wrong, but based on what I witnessed with my family member it just seemed a little over the top. I really felt uncomfortable with the fact that if the child fell over and scrapped her knee at the park, a breast was already being taken out as she was picking her up to use as comfort. To me that just goes beyond what I would do in public under the right to breastfeed. Although I fully support breastfeeding in public when the child is relying on that as their source of food, I guess I feel that when it's not necessary for the child to latch on right there or they'll go hungry, then maybe that's when I start swaying in the direction that some more discretion might be called for. I think that a 2 year old will not be too deprived if when they are finished eating from their plate, and drinking an apple juice with that, they don't also breastfeed right there in the restaurant. I know that trying to have a conversation with someone who has a 2 year old laying there playing around with her breast is very uncomfortable for me. My personal experience with being around a toddler who is breastfed is that they tend not to stay latched on like an infant who is actually hungry. It's not that I'm so shocked at the site of a breast, it's the fact that I'm at dinner, in a restaurant, and it's just hanging out there like a serve yourself buffet. Maybe that's just me

 

[Disney_Mom333]

i'm fully educated on the benefits of a child breastfeeding to an older age... My family member made sure to always drill it into me

lol

 

[hffmnheidi]

Thing I don't want to see/hear at Disney...people who walk up to a popular restaurant, like CRT or Le Cellier, and can't get a table and stand in the waiting areas and complain loudly about it.

If you wanted to eat at some of these places, you should have made your ADRs early. Sometimes, you can get lucky and get a table, but that is pretty rare in all our Disney experiences. When we've called to make payments or book a trip, the rep always reminds us to make our dining reservations early and lets us know the date we need to call if we want to eat at some of the most popular restaurants.

 

[lilosurf11]

The last time I was at WDW, it poured and I had a crappy umbrella. But it's worth looking slightly dorky to get a poncho. Oh yes, and when it does pour, don't forget to bring some extra clothing, in case you do get soaked.

 

[ILoveMyGirls]

not that i have a mug from three years ago but if Disney allows it what difference does it make?

I'll mention one: Do not bring your mug from 3 years ago and fill up at the fountains.

 

[ILoveMyGirls]

of course it is natural to breast feed. the issue with people is, is the women that show their breast in public without covering it up. i don't have a problem with women breast feeding at all but it is inappropriate for a woman to let everyone see her breast while she is breast feeding, I believe that is the real issue.

got as far as page 32 and cant wait any longer. breast-feeding. i cant grasp in any way how someone can have an opinion on what comes so naturally to a mother and daughter would be offensive. if the woman is not related to you, or known to you, why are you commenting? offensive, i hear you say. im more concerned about YOUR issues and why anybody takes the time to post about something which has nothing to do with you whatsoever. im a 46 year old welshman from the valleys where male chauvinism is king and i can assure you that i find breast-feeding a subject on which i have no right to disagree with. for all you public breast-feeders, long may you continue. by the way, i have 3 breast-fed grown-up children and it was my wife who decided this was the natural way to go. im still shaking my head in disbelief that somebody actually is against something that doesnt concern them. amazing

 

[ILoveMyGirls]

i've never stood there and been loud or anything but before i found out that you had to make reservations way in advance i had no clue that there would be no tables when we asked if there were any tables avail. we just move on and find something else.

Thing I don't want to see/hear at Disney...people who walk up to a popular restaurant, like CRT or Le Cellier, and can't get a table and stand in the waiting areas and complain loudly about it.

If you wanted to eat at some of these places, you should have made your ADRs early. Sometimes, you can get lucky and get a table, but that is pretty rare in all our Disney experiences. When we've called to make payments or book a trip, the rep always reminds us to make our dining reservations early and lets us know the date we need to call if we want to eat at some of the most popular restaurants.

 

[ILoveMyGirls]

given that my husband and i had to adopt and could not have children did not take away my love for disney. given this, if i saw the Belle story reading, although i never have, since i love Belle, i would have loved to hear the story read.

Disney is for everyone who love the magic of Disney.

That might be odd to you, but not to others. Why shouldn't I do something that looks/sounds like fun because someone else thinks it's odd? If I paid my money for park admission-that says that I can do/participate in everything available within the park. So what, if I don't have kids and want to see Belle? If I want to spend my time there, it's my time to spend.

I certainly wouldn't tell someone else what was appropriate to do for themselves. So why do we impose our own views on those at Disney with or without children? Would you tell a parent in your hometown that it wasn't appropriate for them to keep a close eye on their child at a local playground and turn around and tell them to let their child go off on a playground just because it's Disney? As safe as we think Disney is and tries to be, there's always going to be that possibility even at the happiest place.

My nephew is 8 and when I take him to the zoo or the park, my eyes are glued to him. I never let him out of my sight because you just never know what could happen. You just don't know anymore.