What is your opinion on the United Kingdom?

[MillauFr]

It’s definitely hazard pay.

They have to pay. There is a huge shortage of refs even at the high school level. Why would anyone want to put up with the hassle.

 

[reecejackox]

i would say
Soda

 

[MillauFr]

Because I like the job. But yes, in my industry few people stay in the industry much past age 30. They move on, usually to a public sector job.

I liked my old job too but when the pay differential started creeping up I had to put my foot down. Why let yourself be taken advantage of. I now make double what my old job paid back in 2014.

 

[MillauFr]

I worked with a Director at my last station. She made more in tips waiting tables 12 hours a week (6 hours on Friday night, 6 hours on Saturday night) than she did working 40 hours a week at a Director in a top 20 market TV station. Her TV job paid the bills, her tips went to buy rental properties.

People need to refuse to be treated like that. Show me the money.

 

[kanerf]

Coffee, usually with cream and sugar.

 

[starry_solo]

Government jobs DON’T pay well. There are some great benefits but the pay is not great and pretty lousy in some instances.

On the other hand court reporters are paid pretty well.

I think it depends on the government job... but compared to the outside world, likely true.

 

[luvnwdwgal]

Hard seltzers

 

[disneydreamer1980]

Never realized that plumbers make so much money.

 

[luvnwdwgal]

Should have studied more and gotten better grades.

 

[tvguy]

People need to refuse to be treated like that. Show me the money.

More to a job than money. My daughter in law left her public sector job in January. Money was great, but the working environment just wasn't acceptable to her.

 

[HiStitch626]

Well: The entertainment industry

Obviously some people in the entertainment industry make exorbitant amounts of money, but I think a vast majority do not. My cousin has worked in films and tv for a number of years as a props master and set decorator. She is definitely middle class, but has worked on films where the actors are making millions.

 

[Silver saucer]

Ice cream, any of the premium stuff. Not any of the healthy versions.

 

[Silver saucer]

That school is actually really important even if you disagree at the time.

 

[MrsPete]

That is a job I could not do. I am not cut out for it. But I live in a district that has a strong union so teachers, IMHO make very good money here*.

Yeah, to be a successful teacher, you MUST have the right personality. That's why colleges are getting prospective teachers into classrooms /having them teach small lessons as a part of their teacher training -- they need to figure out whether they're right for the job or not. The people who say, "I'm going into teaching because I want summers off" don't stay. It's not an issue of good vs. bad; rather, it's about being the right person for the job.

I suspect that's true of many jobs.

Teachers knew (or should have known or researched the job) before going into the profession. They should have known the “extra time” they would be putting in and what the salary is.

I don't completely disagree with this, but I'll add a few comments:

- I've been teaching almost three decades, and my job has changed SO MUCH since I started. Kids have changed, parents have changed, expectations have changed, the material we teach has changed, testing has grown, technology has forced massive changes -- some good and some bad. Seriously, when I finished college in the 90s, I stepped into the job I had expected, but you can't really research how a job is going to change over the whole of your working life.

- The extra time I put in has varied over the years. Our professors told us in college: your first three years will be killers /expect to work non-stop. They did not lie. Experience made the job easier, and I no longer had to recreate everything every year. After those three years, I had maybe a decade in which the time I put in after school was quite reasonable. I thought, "I've got this now; I know what I'm doing." Then things sort of "blew up", and the job required hours upon hours after school again -- more meetings, more extra-curricular requirements.

- Around that same time, our evaluations changed so that you cannot get a top-notch evaluation simply by doing an excellent job in your classroom. To be deemed excellent, you have to be a leader in the school -- sponsor workshops at the school and county level, take part in educational politics beyond the school. If you are doing a genuinely excellent job in your own classroom /not "leading the profession" beyond your own classroom, your evaluation will say you are an average teacher. I never signed on for that -- department head is as much as I want to do beyond my own students. This was not true when I was in college; no way I could've researched it.

- March 2020- June 2021 has been an anomaly, but it's proven that we can change even further. I mean, when I earned my first college degree I had never touched a computer -- and now I've taught classroom and virtual classes simultaneously. No way I could've researched that before I started my education. If you'd told me this would all happen, I would not have believed you!

- Compensation has changed significantly. When I started, teachers signed on with the promise, "You'll take home a small paycheck, but you'll have excellent benefits and a modest-but-secure retirement". Today we still have the small paycheck, but our benefits have been cut over the years, and new teachers are no longer in the pension system. I've already gone through one teacher shortage crisis early in my career, and we are definitely headed for another one very soon.

- Very, very soon. We lost quite a few older teachers last year -- quite a few of them took early retirement /smaller pensions. More are saying, "1-2 more years for me" or "I can make it to 25 years, but the 30 I had planned is more than I can do." They're taking smaller pensions and supplementing with other jobs (easier jobs). ALL the young teachers -- seriously, 100% -- of the young teachers have an exit strategy; some are more serious than others about leaving before they've "put in so many years that they can't realistically quit", but they're all considering it.

I think it depends on the government job... but compared to the outside world, likely true.

Yes, in any given field you'll find discrepancies.

Never realized that plumbers make so much money.

Not just plumbers -- all trades. When my air conditioner broke last July, I didn't really care what it cost to fix it.

More to a job than money. My daughter in law left her public sector job in January. Money was great, but the working environment just wasn't acceptable to her.

I understand that.

 

[spiders]

More to a job than money. My daughter in law left her public sector job in January. Money was great, but the working environment just wasn't acceptable to her.

Money is the most important factor in any job until one reaches a level that will support the lifestyle they want. If the job you really love pays $30k and the job you really hate pays $60k then many will probably choose the $60k. But if the job you love pays $100k and the job you hate pays $120k then you begin to have more options.

UPS delivery drivers make a lot of money for delivery drivers -- they also work a lot of hours, though.

 

[low-key]

I remember when my daughter was little, she loved it when I cooked her stuff like spaghetti, hotdogs, burger, mac n cheese, she thought it was so good, she thought she was giving me a compliment when she told me "Daddy you could be a short order cook " LOL

 

[MrsPete]

Money is the most important factor in any job until one reaches a level that will support the lifestyle they want. If the job you really love pays $30k and the job you really hate pays $60k then many will probably choose the $60k. But if the job you love pays $100k and the job you hate pays $120k then you begin to have more options.

Yeah, money matters -- to a point. But after that point, more is nice but not essential.

 

[Shelley Chiarats]

I remember missing a few days in college when I had Mono. And then I missed a couple of days for leg surgery when I broke my leg about 10yrs ago.

 

[Jennasis]

I think my various surgeries had me out of work for about 2 weeks, and on limited duties (around the farm) for up to 8 weeks.

 

[MrsPete]

School is really important -- no, wait, I knew that in school.

Working hard to impress people /get them to like you is a waste of time. If you have to work at it, they aren't worth it. I definitely did not know that when I was in school.