What is going on with the FP+ crackdown?

[fan1080]

Correct me if I'm wrong.... but this whole "2 ticket" strategy sounds as though it won't work.

Wouldn't the 2 tickets have to be linked to different MDE accounts in order for the user to be able to make advance FP+ selections?

If so, seems like that would be against the TOS.

If the strategy involves same day FP+ only, I don't think it would be of much benefit for the cost.

 

[AngiTN]

You're talking about slow days...that isn't where the system is strained.

You're "not sure how I'd know"?
...I'd suggest that tactic is not gonna fair well. Just discussing the angles of the subject like everyone else. I can assure you I'm "quite familiar"

It was Memorial Day weekend. I guess that's a slow day.

By how you'd know I simply meant have you gone and tried to get a 4th FP for yourself in the park. That's all

 

[lockedoutlogic]

And buy the way...I think that the attention to this is a direct result of third party tour operators attempting to make sales by providing unauthorized "special privileges" in an effort to get ahead in a world that frankly doesn't need them if they operate straight up.

That's what it seems...from a "where's the fire behind the smoke" perspective that is the reason behind all wdw policy changes in its history...it's either for money or crackdown...and there's no money this time.

 

[AngiTN]

Correct me if I'm wrong.... but this whole "2 ticket" strategy sounds as though it won't work.

Wouldn't the 2 tickets have to be linked to different MDE accounts in order for the user to be able to make advance FP+ selections?

If so, seems like that would be against the TOS.

If the strategy involves same day FP+ only, I don't think it would be of much benefit for the cost.

It may not, I haven't a clue, and don't plan to find out. It was simply someone mentioned if a guest wanted to buy 2 tickets could they

 

[robinb]

It seems the way to go for me. And the fact that they aren't doing it makes me think they can't.

Of course they can check if a MB has been activated in the park. How else can they disable the MDX account?

 

[lockedoutlogic]

It was Memorial Day weekend. I guess that's a slow day.

By how you'd know I simply meant have you gone and tried to get a 4th FP for yourself in the park. That's all

Yes...they are typically for things you don't need fast passes for...unless it's a slow day. The soonest you could conceivably do it is about noon. On moderate to busy days that makes it pointless. So I don't need people with 6 fastpasses walking around. I don't need to go on anything at all (been there, memorized that)...but I'm always concerned (consistently...check the posts) about fairness to all at a such a high priced place. I defend my fellow customer...bank on it.

Have I given the impression that I haven't been to wdw since the 80's? If so...my bad.

 

[AnnaKat]

You would think WP separate ticket should be just fine.
I thought it was theme parks.
And if they didn't turn a guest away from a second theme park @ the turnstile, then why would anyone think it wasn't OK?
I just happened to be reading the 1-day ticket terms, as we are looking into tickets for next trip.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Of course they can check if a MB has been activated in the park. How else can they disable the MDX account?

But...why wasn't it done from the start then?

Usually if they aren't doing something...it's either because they can't or think the reaction will cost them money somehow. I don't think either apply here. I would assume that the majority of scammers aren't going away if you crack down on their fast passes. It doesn't take Scotland Yard to figure out who's doing it...

 

[AngiTN]

You would think WP separate ticket should be just fine.
I thought it was theme parks.
And if they didn't turn a guest away from a second theme park @ the turnstile, then why would anyone think it wasn't OK?
I just happened to be reading the 1-day ticket terms, as we are looking into tickets for next trip.

To my knowledge the only time this happens is if someone enters a 2nd park with the same ticket without the hopper option
If someone has a 2nd ticket on their account and used, say, a 2nd finger to identify with that ticket, I don't know if the gate system would know it's the same person or would the gate system see this as a new person?

 

[robinb]

And buy the way...I think that the attention to this is a direct result of third party tour operators attempting to make sales by providing unauthorized "special privileges" in an effort to get ahead in a world that frankly doesn't need them if they operate straight up.

That's what it seems...from a "where's the fire behind the smoke" perspective that is the reason behind all wdw policy changes in its history...it's either for money or crackdown...and there's no money this time.

Of course it's about money. It's about the money that Disney is losing to it's own guides. It's also about money that Disney would lose if/when they choose to sell additional FP+ over and above the initial 3. Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Of course it's about money. It's about the money that Disney is losing to it's own guides. It's also about money that Disney would lose if/when they choose to sell additional FP+ over and above the initial 3. Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?

I don't see the guide angle...their guides are not mass marketed for a reason...

Selling fastpasses? Absolutely...I see that...but it's hypothetical...

 

[mom2rtk]

Of course they can check if a MB has been activated in the park. How else can they disable the MDX account?

I don't have any idea what's involved. But for the life of me I can't find a good reason why they haven't required that from the start if they were in fact able to do it.

And I'm not convinced yet that they actually are disabling MDX accounts. Not on purpose anyway.

 

[robinb]

But...why wasn't it done from the start then?

Because software is often developed in stages. Do you remember the old paper FP kiosks? When it was initially rolled out they accepted just about anything "Disney" for a FP: active ticket, expired ticket, room key with no ticket, etc. Then, sometime later, they added the software to verify that the ticket was activated in the park. Same thing with FP+. The kiosks accepted MBs without active tickets and now (as I understand) the kiosks will no longer allow you to book SDFPs without having an activated ticket. What I have read is that they tried to verify MB/ticket activation when they first implemented FP+ the but the system crashed. So they rolled back that capability until they could implement it successfully.

Usually if they aren't doing something...it's either because they can't or think the reaction will cost them money somehow. I don't think either apply here. I would assume that the majority of scammers aren't going away if you crack down on their fast passes. It doesn't take Scotland Yard to figure out who's doing it...

Exactly which scammers will not go away with a blue mickey?

 

[mustinjourney]

Correct me if I'm wrong.... but this whole "2 ticket" strategy sounds as though it won't work.

Wouldn't the 2 tickets have to be linked to different MDE accounts in order for the user to be able to make advance FP+ selections?

If so, seems like that would be against the TOS.

If the strategy involves same day FP+ only, I don't think it would be of much benefit for the cost.

it would certainly work. Let's assume the person wants to park hop every day and wants to have 6 FP selections. They could just buy two sets of tickets and use one ticket for entry in the AM park and the other ticket/band in the PM park. Their MDE would need a profile for each band.

Whether it's against the TOS, I do not know. But the person did follow the rule of using the FP+ selection by the user that made the FP selection and entered the park that day.

But honestly -- this would cost someone around $500 extra for a week, so I highly doubt there will be many people that would do this.

If this infuriates you, then are you also mad about people paying for VIP tours? Those come with unlimited fastpasses. Sure, those VIPs don't take away a chance at getting a FP+ selection, but they do slow down the queue for the ride...which is ultimately what we're all worried about.

 

[robinb]

I don't have any idea what's involved. But for the life of me I can't find a good reason why they haven't required that from the start if they were in fact able to do it.

See my reply above.

And I'm not convinced yet that they actually are disabling MDX accounts. Not on purpose anyway.

I'm not convinced they are either. I think they reserve the right to do it, but I have not heard of anyone who actually had their MDX disabled.

 

[mustinjourney]

To my knowledge the only time this happens is if someone enters a 2nd park with the same ticket without the hopper option
If someone has a 2nd ticket on their account and used, say, a 2nd finger to identify with that ticket, I don't know if the gate system would know it's the same person or would the gate system see this as a new person?

absent doing facial recognition -- there's really no way they could know if one person entered the park with two different tickets. Unless they were brazen enough to walk in, then immediately walk out and return to the same tapstile. But even then, they'd probably have to do it a bunch for anyone noticed...and this could only be done by a single person -- certainly not a big group of people.

 

[BuckeyeBama]

As for the cost - an AP costs $830. I will spend about 40 days in WDW parks this year, which means that I am paying about $21/day for park entry, and about $7 per FP+. So, for someone like me an additional investment of $830 makes sense to double my FP+. For someone visiting less frequently - maybe less so. And for a local FL resident going every day - not only is the AP cheaper, but the cost per FP+ would be much, much lower.

My point - most people doing this would not be spending $33/FP+. They would be spending anywhere between $2 and $10 per FP+. Not as crazy as it sounds.

 

[fan1080]

it would certainly work. Let's assume the person wants to park hop every day and wants to have 6 FP selections. They could just buy two sets of tickets and use one ticket for entry in the AM park and the other ticket/band in the PM park. Their MDE would need a profile for each band.

Whether it's against the TOS, I do not know. But the person did follow the rule of using the FP+ selection by the user that made the FP selection and entered the park that day.

But honestly -- this would cost someone around $500 extra for a week, so I highly doubt there will be many people that would do this.

If this infuriates you, then are you also mad about people paying for VIP tours? Those come with unlimited fastpasses. Sure, those VIPs don't take away a chance at getting a FP+ selection, but they do slow down the queue for the ride...which is ultimately what we're all worried about.

Infuriate me? lololol

I couldn't care less, just asked a simple question.

Happy travels

 

[mustinjourney]

As for the cost - an AP costs $830. I will spend about 40 days in WDW parks this year, which means that I am paying about $21/day for park entry, and about $7 per FP+. So, for someone like me an additional investment of $830 makes sense to double my FP+. For someone visiting less frequently - maybe less so. And for a local FL resident going every day - not only is the AP cheaper, but the cost per FP+ would be much, much lower.

My point - most people doing this would not be spending $33/FP+. They would be spending anywhere between $2 and $10 per FP+. Not as crazy as it sounds.

is it even possible to get a second AP? Don't they check your ID?

 

[mustinjourney]

Infuriate me? lololol

I could care less, just asked a simple question.

Happy travels

oops. I meant to imply "you" as being "someone" instead of "you" personally. Sorry!