What is going on with SSR???

[Sammie]

Sure I'd listen.

Wouldn't change that I think this resort is the least desirable in the system but I'd love to have something to get excited about with SSR.

Would you recommend a family stay at SSR for there first WDW visit? I know I wouldn't.

Yes I would and as you said, it would not change your opinion, so see no need to waste the effort, again, to explain why it appeals to me and obviously to others. It just gets old.

 

[erikthewise]

OK here's the stats at The Timeshare Store, online listing as of 2:00PM EST 2/16/07
Resort Listings Units Listings per Unit
BCV...........28....208...0.135
BWV............7....383...0.018
HHI............17....102...0.167
OKW..........22.....531...0.041
SSR...........57.....828...0.069
VB.............13.....172...0.075
VWL...........22.....136...0.162

So SSR looks perfectly normal, a little more stable than average. Looks like if anything we should be saying "What is going on at VWL and HHI?" But that might not fit some people's agenda.

 

[Mokat76]

Oh for cryin' out loud! Who cares?

People bought where they bought for their own reasons. I like bananas; you like apples. So what? It's choice. Isn't the whole point to give people options? If that's not the point, why is there a Grand Floridian and a Pop Century? Why is there an Epcot and a Magic Kingdom? My sis owns BCV, I own SSR. I like her resort, but not as much as mine. She likes mine, but not as much as hers. If trash-talking SSR (or any other resort for that matter) makes you feel superior, so be it. But aren't you the same people who get upset when someone trash-talks DVC ownership in general? Or, worse yet, trash-talks the Disney obsession that most DVCers tend to share? Our choices, whatever they are, are our choices. They don't have to be explained, justified or rationalized.

 

[bigsmooth]

Oh for cryin' out loud! Who cares?

People bought where they bought for their own reasons. I like bananas; you like apples. So what? It's choice. Isn't the whole point to give people options? If that's not the point, why is there a Grand Floridian and a Pop Century? Why is there an Epcot and a Magic Kingdom? My sis owns BCV, I own SSR. I like her resort, but not as much as mine. She likes mine, but not as much as hers. If trash-talking SSR (or any other resort for that matter) makes you feel superior, so be it. But aren't you the same people who get upset when someone trash-talks DVC ownership in general? Or, worse yet, trash-talks the Disney obsession that most DVCers tend to share? Our choices, whatever they are, are our choices. They don't have to be explained, justified or rationalized.

Bingo. One thing Disney is good at is SEGMENTING their audience. They build resorts that appeal to different segments. If you are one segment, why take such pleasure in bashing the other? Why is it so hard to believe that there are people out there that like golf, DtD and the Spa and would prefer SSR (or even OKW)? There are Epcot people, there are MK people. There are AKV people, there are west coast DL People. As an example CRV has absolutely no appeal to me, but I understand why it appeals to others. I'm not a MK person, grew up with West Coast DL and that is what I value. But for those who grew up with MK and have memories of MK and the monorail, CRV will appeal.

Get over it if you don't understand the different segments. Disney does, they probably have a dozen different brand manager/product managers who do. But please, continue to post your personal self centered preferences on these boards, I appreciate it for the entertainment value. This constant raving/whining/foaming at the mouth over resort preferences is both great for evening reading and brings a smile to me (as a product manager, I love it).

 

[Sammie]

OK here's the stats at The Timeshare Store, online listing as of 2:00PM EST 2/16/07
Resort Listings Units Listings per Unit
BCV...........28....208...0.135
BWV............7....383...0.018
HHI............17....102...0.167
OKW..........22.....531...0.041
SSR...........57.....828...0.069
VB.............13.....172...0.075
VWL...........22.....136...0.162

So SSR looks perfectly normal, a little more stable than average. Looks like if anything we should be saying "What is going on at VWL and HHI?" But that might not fit some people's agenda.

Thanks for sharing "facts". I would also imagine the SSR sales are also reflective of the large number of houses on the market now nationwide due to ARM interest rates that have now gone up.

Basically many sales are going to be financial. I would be willing to say some of the SSR market probably did have the financial security to purchase DVC. Has nothing to do with the product, but more with the adage of buy now, worry about it later.

 

[Anal Annie]

We did the tour a year before we bought. We really liked the hotel .Since we are one of those people that research everything before we make purchases like this we did not buy on the spot. (Sales people must love us ) We also will wait until hopefully something will go on sale. So, the F&F was great for us. We had looked into resale but buying thru Disney was a better deal as most contracts were stripped of points.

Those extra years really make a difference to us as we are a little younger and DS is only 2.

Bingo! We knew AKV was just around the corner when we bought but we knew we could afford more pts. by buying at SSR with the F & F promo. I noticed the same thing with the resales...no points in sight on a lot of the contracts. The extra years on the contract were also a big consideration - that could include great grandchildren being able to go for us!!

At first I thought we'd always stay at SSR - then it dawned on me that we could essentially have a new & diff. place to vacation for our next 8 vacations just by varying where we stay each time. That's a pretty neat thought - and I'm sure that # will go up before we exhaust the existing 8 DVCs... We haven't stayed at SSR yet - but I'm not going to stress out over whether or not I'll love it 'cuz it was our ticket in!

I still have AKV envy 'cuz we loved AKL - but am hoping by the time it's complete we'll be lucky enough to get in at 7 months. If we can't...then we can think about an add-on.

 

["Got Disney"]

This is my take on it all...first of all...I did not buy into DVC to sell and make a profit in 2 years...I plan on keeping it for the 47 years...if possibkle and prurchasing more...I bought 2..200 pt contracts of SSR because of the years and the price...

It is something that we can hand down to our children for there children. When we bought our home(not DVC home) we did not purchase it either for a profit...it was to live in for the long hall...it is our home!!

When we buy stocks they go up and down....and any investment is never a sure thing.

So what is wrong with being happy for anyone that has been blessed with being able to buy into DVC...I love BCV...and use my pts for DCL...matter of fact I have the 2008 cruise through the Mexican Riviera and am using my pts...does that make me wrong...no it makes me happy

sure not the best bang for your bucks but sooooo what...We will have a wonderful time...

So Dumbo...sell if you are not happy..no one should keep something they are not happy with...but don't slam on those that are happy...shame on you!!!!

 

[BroganMc]

OK here's the stats at The Timeshare Store, online listing as of 2:00PM EST 2/16/07
Resort Listings Units Listings per Unit
BCV...........28....208...0.135
BWV............7....383...0.018
HHI............17....102...0.167
OKW..........22.....531...0.041
SSR...........57.....828...0.069
VB.............13.....172...0.075
VWL...........22.....136...0.162

Am I reading this right? BCV the crowned "most popular DVC" on the DIS is actually reselling a larger percentage of points than OKW, SSR, VB & BWV? BCV owners must be as unhappy as VWL and HH owners.

Seriously though, anyone notice the 1000 pt contracts up at TTS for OKW and SSR. So who has $80-$88,000 lying around to buy these babies?

 

[CarolMN]

With all due respect to those of you who have posted in this thread, please remember that the TSS is not the only place to buy a resale contract!

No valid conclusions about DVC resales can be reached if you just look at the TSS listings - it isn't even close to a representative sample! It's just a list of what is available at the TSS on the day and time you look!

The only ones who have the data to make valid assumptions about resales are those who have access to DVC's ROFR data.

If you don't have data and statistical expertise, you just have an opinion - and not one founded on facts and data!

Opinions are not facts! Please - let it be OK with you if someone doesn't agree with you.

 

[Starr W.]

Am I reading this right? BCV the crowned "most popular DVC" on the DIS is actually reselling a larger percentage of points than OKW, SSR, VB & BWV? BCV owners must be as unhappy as VWL and HH owners.

Seriously though, anyone notice the 1000 pt contracts up at TTS for OKW and SSR. So who has $80-$88,000 lying around to buy these babies?

I know that 1000 pt. for SSR has been hanging around for quite a while, the last 4 digits of the listing # are the date it was put on sale. 5/3/06.

 

[Knotty]

Why are there so many SSR resales, even though the owners have only owned a short time, even thou they have the 12 year advantage.

3 reasons.

#1 DVC marketed SSR to people who were in no postion to buy a 20k time share on mthly payment plans.

#2 SSR owners tried one to many times to book into the resorts they dreamed of staying at during the sales presentation, only to be told they would have to wait list.

#3 while staying at SSR in their 20k times share, paying 1k a year in taxes and dues, they realized that they could rent a 2000 sq foot home in Orlando for 1k a week, and be just as close to the parks, and still use DTD anytime they want with a 4 min cab ride for 6 bucks.

 

[Anal Annie]

Why are there so many SSR resales, even though the owners have only owned a short time, even thou they have the 12 year advantage.

3 reasons.

#1 DVC marketed SSR to people who were in no postion to buy a 20k time share on mthly payment plans.

#2 SSR owners tried one to many times to book into the resorts they dreamed of staying at during the sales presentation, only to be told they would have to wait list.

#3 while staying at SSR in their 20k times share, paying 1k a year in taxes and dues, they realized that they could rent a 2000 sq foot home in Orlando for 1k a week, and be just as close to the parks, and still use DTD anytime they want with a 4 min cab ride for 6 bucks.

Maybe # 1 & # 2 but #3 - No!! Staying off property isn't EVEN the same and anybody who's stayed on site knows that - I would never ever consider that that an equal alternative...

 

[crisi]

Am I reading this right? BCV the crowned "most popular DVC" on the DIS is actually reselling a larger percentage of points than OKW, SSR, VB & BWV? BCV owners must be as unhappy as VWL and HH owners.

That may also reflect that people think BCV is at the top of the market, and they are looking to turn a profit on their points. My own take on BCV is that its the perfect resort when your kids are a certain age, but after that its big benefit is location. And that age bracket is pretty short - and BCV is old enough that the people who bought when their kids were ten now have 16 year olds who want Blizzard Beach - or Cancun. Granted, there are plenty of adults who love BCV, but I suspect a certain number of people bought for the pool for their kids - and with that out of the equation, its time to move on.

I think AKL may have similar patterns. While I love watching the animals, it really is the "perfect" resort for the toddler/preschool set. Once your kids outgrow "zeebers," you may wish for different things.

Its my feeling that DVC resale timing has two peaks. You get resales in the "we thought we wanted this and don't/can't afford it" right after the honeymoon period. Then you get a batch when the kids get "too old" for Disney (obviously, not everyone's do, but a lot of people bought for the kids). SSR is in the first peak, VWL and BCV are both in the second. OKW and BWV are past the second and into the long term ownership model. SSR has the additional sales going on in response to the promo, people have used their points and their promo points and don't really "need" the contract.

 

[NemoMOm]

Maybe # 1 & # 2 but #3 - No!! Staying off property isn't EVEN the same and anybody who's stayed on site knows that - I would never ever consider that that an equal alternative...

I have to agree with Annie. I know for some people staying off site is okay, but we did it once and HATED it. When we stay on site it is like we are still in the parks when we go back to the hotel.

Some sound sooo unhappy owning DVC, SSR in paticular. Then why own? And yes, Disney IS expensive! But, didn't we all know that before we bought? I don't mind paying the "greedy mouse". I know that they employ a great deal of people and spend a great deal of money to make my trips magical. Every trip we've gone has been amazing, which is why we own.

And I'm guessing that everyone here feels the same, so why the debate?

 

[BroganMc]

That may also reflect that people think BCV is at the top of the market, and they are looking to turn a profit on their points.

Well I think if I did own BCV I'd be mighty tempty to sell right now. The resale prices are very good for that resort. I could make a tidy sum and pour it right back into AKV or SSR and get a longer contract. If I had BWV as well and was addicted to the area, it would be a no brainer for me.

Its my feeling that DVC resale timing has two peaks. You get resales in the "we thought we wanted this and don't/can't afford it" right after the honeymoon period. Then you get a batch when the kids get "too old" for Disney (obviously, not everyone's do, but a lot of people bought for the kids). SSR is in the first peak, VWL and BCV are both in the second. OKW and BWV are past the second and into the long term ownership model. SSR has the additional sales going on in response to the promo, people have used their points and their promo points and don't really "need" the contract.

I'd go with that theory. SSR contracts are probably fueled more by the second guessers or those looking to finance AKV than anything else.

 

[Mickmse2002]

Well I think if I did own BCV I'd be mighty tempty to sell right now. The resale prices are very good for that resort. I could make a tidy sum and pour it right back into AKV or SSR and get a longer contract. If I had BWV as well and was addicted to the area, it would be a no brainer for me.

That's where I am at right now. We own 200 BWV (bought from DVC at 65 per point) and 200 BCV (bought at whatever the initial price was) that we are tempted to sell now for a longer contract as you describe above. Still undecided and still working the math on it.

 

[erikthewise]

That's where I am at right now. We own 200 BWV (bought from DVC at 65 per point) and 200 BCV (bought at whatever the initial price was) that we are tempted to sell now for a longer contract as you describe above. Still undecided and still working the math on it.

Gee if your BCV contract was smaller I'd buy it from you!
You wouldn't get $95 a point though.

 

[Mickmse2002]

Gee if your BCV contract was smaller I'd buy it from you!
You wouldn't get $95 a point though.

Actually have two, one at 150 points the other at 50. But not for sale.......yet.

 

[drakethib]

How about some booking advantage? How about a resort that isn't going to have a feature pool that is packed to the gills because they expanded thew rersort and never expanded the main pool? How about DVC stops selling SSR as a means to stay elsewhere? How about poolside food or a direct tie to a theme park?

Seriously this is just reaching but I still haven't seen a good reason to own there. OKW has lower points/largeer rooms. BCV has SAB and direct ties to Epcot/MGM; BWV has direct ties to Epcot/MGM and has the BW right there; VWL has direct access to a WDW Deluxe resort and direct access to a lake and MK.

What exactly does SSR have that makes it a great place to own? You have no direct access to a theme park, you have no true reason to need the 11 month priority to book there, no special features that set it apart, it has relatively high points and small rooms.

Seriously how can anyone dispute this? Really all it has is 12 extra years, that is it.

Ahhh My buddy Dumbo again at it

Hey my 2 cents for what it is worth.

I think it all comes down to personal preference and price and nothing more.

It seems like the majority of people around here would give their left kidney for BCV. I have stayed there in a 1 BDR on two occasions and I personally have no use for the place as I just couldn't relax there and never plan to stay there again unless there is no other option. I love OKW (except their studios) and many hate OKW. To each his own I guess.

SSR was a good deal for many. In fact I am thinking about buying a few points there myself. I have never stayed there but will be in the near future. I have a "draw" to DTD so SSR may be just we want. We will see shortly.

Now with all of that being said, I do think that there are many people bought SSR (and DVC in general for that matter) on a whim while visiting. All of the Disney Magic is gone once the MF and monthly mortgage for the DVC arrives in the mail. Maybe I am wrong in this but I feel that SSR had "gorilla marketing" tactics by Disney to sell the place. I am not sure if the other resorts were pushed as much. Maybe someone can chime in on that.

DVC is not for everyone. You really need to know how to play the points "game" and understand that DVC is an added expense to your household. JMHO. YMMV

 

[drakethib]

Maybe # 1 & # 2 but #3 - No!! Staying off property isn't EVEN the same and anybody who's stayed on site knows that - I would never ever consider that that an equal alternative...

I agree.

We are about to take a quick "budget" trip (we are in the process of building a new home so we are in budget mode more then ever) to WDW and I brought up possibly staying off site (not that I really wanted to and we have never done so before) to save a coin or two.


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