What do you think about the TEACHER taking time off for a vacation?

I have an idea. Let's all vacation together and discuss this over tropical drinks by the pool. ;)

Ding ding ding ding. I think we have a winner, here. :woohoo: I got a digital photo frame for Christmas and I am currently looking at vacation pictures from last summer. I can't wait until August!
 
As I've said before, good teacher's don't only leave work for their students when they're gone, but they also prepare their students to be able to function without the teacher being there. There are far bigger problems if a child can't function in school for a few days without their primary teacher being there.
Yeah, like the fact that my dd has never had a sub doing anything other than show the class Hollywood videos. My dd isn't being prepared for anything other than being a coach potato when her teachers are gone. So, yeah, I have an issue with it. My taxes go for teachers to teach, not for my dd to watch whatever movie the sub grabs off of her coffee table this morning.
 
The only one's whining are the people saying that teacher's get too much time off as it is so they shouldn't be allowed to take any more. :rolleyes: I can't say it enough... mind your own business. My administration allows me to take days off. If I earn my days off I can use them for whatever I want, regardless of whether or not other people find it "reasonable." Use or don't use your own days off as you wish and don't worry about other people.


I never said teachers have too much time off....where did I say that? OP asked if teachers should allowed to take vacation during the school year. Sorry, I'll go back and edit my original response to say 'sorry can't answer, this is none of my business.'

Are you serious?
 

I have an idea. Let's all vacation together and discuss this over tropical drinks by the pool. ;)

Thanks but no thanks the people on this thread are grouchy. I go on vacation to get away from grouches. :banana:

btw how on earth do you spell the plural of grouch? I think I had a sub that day. :scared1:
 
Yeah, like the fact that my dd has never had a sub doing anything other than show the class Hollywood videos. My dd isn't being prepared for anything other than being a coach potato when her teachers are gone. So, yeah, I have an issue with it. My taxes go for teachers to teach, not for my dd to watch whatever movie the sub grabs off of her coffee table this morning.

:lmao: Back to the whining about "my tax dollars pay you!" :rotfl: The Board of Ed in your area should hire more adequate subs if your child doesn't learn anything with them. That has never happened to me so I'm sorry that it's the case with your child. But don't you dare tell me that I can't use my earned days off because your tax dollars pay teacher's salaries :lmao: Your tax dollars pay for a LOT of people's salaries yet no one tells police officers, garbage men, mailmen, or city officials when they can and can't take off. Your tax dollars are paying for a war, too. Maybe you should take your bitterness out on that instead.

This thread's annoying me to no end so I'm done :thumbsup2
 
Thanks but no thanks the people on this thread are grouchy. I go on vacation to get away from grouches. :banana:

btw how on earth do you spell the plural of grouch? I think I had a sub that day. :scared1:

I would say grouches, though I suppose it might be greech ;) . They are only grouches because of a lack of tropical drinks. That's what's wrong with the world today I tell you!

FWIW, my subs don't show videos, and yes, I do know this for a fact. :thumbsup2
 
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We have state standards here in NY and teachers are required to have lesson plans in place. The subs are required to follow the lesson plan and ultimately the teacher is responsible for the class and meeting the standards.

It is an insult to sub teachers to say all they do is play movies for the students.

I am confident enough to say that my children won't fall into an abyss of dim-witted nirvana if they have a substitute teacher.
 
I can thank a teacher for that ability :thumbsup2

Teachers help you discover and develop what you already have, and incorporate what is around you........you have the abilities and you do the work. ;)
 
I have subbed in SEVERAL different states. In MOST cases, there were some worksheets left and movies to show. No real teaching or learning was required by anybody. Often if my kids have subs, they would have been better off staying home that day. Just my experience.

If you're a sub, then why don't you have a pack of things to do in any subject matter? I have my own emergency lesson plans in a binder that I take to every school with me and teach from it when a teacher hasn't left any plans (rare!). Before I took this long-term position, I had teachers asking for me to teach in their absence because they knew that I was going to TEACH.

We have state standards here in NY and teachers are required to have lesson plans in place. The subs are required to follow the lesson plan and ultimately the teacher is responsible for the class and meeting the standards.

It is an insult to sub teachers to say all they do is play movies for the students.

I am confident enough to say that my children won't fall into an abyss of dim-witted nirvana if they have a substitute teacher.

Thank you. I was starting to feel insulted with all this sub bashing along with the teacher bashing -- especially after the day I had today (on my birthday no less :sad1: I'm ready for a pity party). I get paid a whopping $85 a day (less than some of the secretaries and custodians there!) and I'm expected to do everything a regular teacher does. That means putting in a lot of extra time at home, and often being treated like a second class citizen IN the school because I'm "just" a sub.
 
Happy Birthday, Mushy! :cool1: Hope you have a great night! :)

I hope I don't seem like I am bashing subs or teachers, but I recognize the importance of the child/teacher relationship to my kids' education, and I think frequent and/or long-term substitutions affect the quality of their experience. I actually think it would be insulting to say otherwise, because I see how much effort these teachers have put into their relationships with their students.

But a day or two here and there is expected and necessary, and has no lasting, long-term effect IMO.
 
I get paid a whopping $85 a day (less than some of the secretaries and custodians there!) and I'm expected to do everything a regular teacher does.

Just a funny anecdote --- - I've been teaching 21 years and have a Master's Degree, and I make less than the head of maintenance (who has been there 15 years and is a high school graduate). He's considered "administration". :confused3
 
Well, excuse me, as a teacher, for using my 2 personal days last year to go to Disney World. I'm sorry I did it--I did not realize that my missing a total of 4 days last year (2 of them in Disney, 1 of them at a conference, and 1 of them with a stomach virus) causes so much trouble. It's a good thing I'm going in August this year.
 
Wow it took me forever to read this whole thread.
First to respond to original questions (I have a Master's degree but have not figured out how to quote):
--in my district we can choose to be paid 12 months or 26 checks. It lessens my check but I know my own habits and would be stone broke in August if I didn't do this. In addition, when my own kids start school in August they always need lots of $ for fees, etc. so I really need those summer checks.
--we have vacations at Thanksgiving (3 days), Christmas (up to 2 weeks, depends on the calendar and what day the holiday falls on), Easter (Good Friday plus a week) and the standard Federal holidays--Labor, MLK, President's, and Memorial. We started about Aug. 21 this year and will finish June 5. We get 1 1/4 sick days added to our total every month (15 a year) and I'm up to 62, as I used them all up and went to zero once for each child.
BTW, for the poster who mentioned teachers having babies in the spring, it's just the smart thing to do. I had DD#1 on March 2, took off the rest of the year (only 6 weeks paid though, before FMLA) and was with her for 6 months. Before I had her I thought 6 weeks would be plenty, but what did I know! I had DD#2 April 11--got 4 1/2 months with her. Had DS June 10 after school was out--took 1st quarter off (again, only 6 weeks paid but at least benefits were paid for) and went back 11/2, got almost 5 months with him. Teachers who have babies in November, January, etc. get less time with their babies. And FWIW, my "babies" will always trump my students.
--We also get 3 personal days. We cannot take them the day before or after any holiday period. We are allowed to take up to 5 unpaid days, depending on how many years we have taught. I could take 5, but fortunately DH has been able to take vacations when I do. Twice in my life I took 2 personal days in December to do 4 day WDW weekends. Other than that it's been summer, Christmas, or (this year) spring break.
I don't really plan on ever taking a whole week during the school year, but in the future if one of my kids plans a destination wedding, I wouldn't hesitate. And I don't judge teachers who take long weekends in Vegas with their personal days (I need mine for kids' activities, usually, like working the elementary Halloween party).
--I subbed way back in the late 80s before I got this job in 1988. I remember one day a Spanish teacher left me detailed lessons that expected me to actually know Spanish. I am certified to teach English, speech and theatre arts, grades 7-12. So not much got done that day. I also remember subbing for a 6th grade teacher who had 30 SBH hellions in his class on a 1/2 day so he could close on his house. I was back 2 days later so his wife could have her baby. He had my "sub review" on his desk and was asking that I not be used for him again, because one girl wrote on her desk. Every time I saw that guy from that point I wanted to spit in his eye. Those kids had no discipline and he expected them to sit for a 23 year old girl with their hands folded angelically? Subs can tell which teachers have a handle on their classes and which ones don't. My students (and I teach 12th graders) know if a sub writes their name down specifially, i.e. "Fred would not do his work and was disruptive", they automatically get a before-school detention!
And one more thing....my DD#2 had her pre-school graduation the day before Memorial Day weekend (not my scheduling, but her school's). I asked for a personal day since I felt that was very important. I was denied. So I called in sick. The Principal asked me the next week was I really sick, or at the graduation, and I was honest, so I was docked a day's pay. My Union rep said I should have just lied! So 3 years later, same situation with DS graduating from preschool....you can bet I called in sick. I tried to be honest, and I guess they expected me to miss that occasion since they denied me. Now please no debates about whether that is an important thing, don't let's get off track with that. But sometimes even the union tells you to work the system.
Robin M.
 
Well, excuse me, as a teacher, for using my 2 personal days last year to go to Disney World. I'm sorry I did it--I did not realize that my missing a total of 4 days last year (2 of them in Disney, 1 of them at a conference, and 1 of them with a stomach virus) causes so much trouble. It's a good thing I'm going in August this year.

Let's not get dramatic. I really don't see anyone on this thread begrudging any teacher to be gone one or two days for illness (themselves, their child, etc.) or for an extra day on top of a school break. I thought the initial question was about the appropriateness of a full blown vacation and being away from the classroom for an extended time.
 
If you're a sub, then why don't you have a pack of things to do in any subject matter? I have my own emergency lesson plans in a binder that I take to every school with me and teach from it when a teacher hasn't left any plans (rare!). Before I took this long-term position, I had teachers asking for me to teach in their absence because they knew that I was going to TEACH.



Thank you. I was starting to feel insulted with all this sub bashing along with the teacher bashing -- especially after the day I had today (on my birthday no less :sad1: I'm ready for a pity party). I get paid a whopping $85 a day (less than some of the secretaries and custodians there!) and I'm expected to do everything a regular teacher does. That means putting in a lot of extra time at home, and often being treated like a second class citizen IN the school because I'm "just" a sub.



I don't sub any more, it's been quite a few years actaully. I didn't have ready made lesson plans and boxes of activities for every possible age and subject matter. I doubt many subs would have this and for $40 a day I wouldn't expect them too.
 
I think my answer to the OP's question is...it all depends. If we're talking about a two week vacation when the class in question is 2nd grade, well then maybe with a decent, seasoned sub that follows the plans left, the class will be ok. There should not be long, lasting effects. A two week vacation for a high school teacher that teaches AP classes most likely will be an issue. It becomes more of an issue if the school is on block scheduling because one semester covers an entire year's worth of material. Every single day counts.

If the school can find a qualified AP instructor to take that teacher's place, then the class will be ok. If they pull a good sub off the list that is not certified in AP classes, then the kids will take definitely suffer the loss in material. Being just a good or great sub just won't cut it. When that AP exam roles around at the end of the semester, those tests are standard and there is no special allowance for not having covered all the material fully or correctly. Not being adequately prepared for the AP test will hurt these kids as these classes affect not only their GPA but earned college credit. So, like I said, it all depends on the type of class we're talking about.
 
I think people here are confusing "time off" with "vacation days". If your employer gave you 2 vacation days per year, and if you didn't take them they would be lost, would you take them? Of course you would.

It's absolutely NO DIFFERENT with teachers. I can't speak for the teachers of the USA because we get very different holidays here - we get 13 weeks spread out over the whole of the year so theoretically we shouldn't have to work more than 8-9 weeks without a week's vacation - but if the ADMINISTRATION was giving out teachers paid vacation (or personal days), heck YES I'd be taking it.

Do I agree with the ADMINISTRATION giving out personal or vacation days for teachers? Under the British system, NO, because we have well-distributed vacation times throughout the year (plus the minimum requirement for ANY employee is 20 days vacation + 8 public holidays - so there's very very little chance that partners holidays do not coincide in some way with school holidays). I am of course still entitled to sick pay (up to 4 days without a doctors note, although there are limits of excessive short-term illnesses whereby questions begin to be asked), personal days for issues such as family emergencies or the loss of someone close to me, time off for training approved by (and encouraged by) the administration and time out of school for activities such as fieldwork.

I think people need to distinguish between the fact that the ADMINISTRATION deals with vacation and personal days, and teachers are simply at the receiving end of anything they decide. Why would any teacher turn down the allowance that every other teacher under that administration is entitled to?:confused3

If you have a problem with it, you need to be directing it at the people who make these decisions, not simply at the people at the other end of the spectrum who simply have to work with the decisions of the administration.

Oh and by the way, you should definitely try our holidays system, it works out lovely and evenly spread throughout the year :thumbsup2 I'm currently on a week-long vacation, after working 5 weeks since the end of the Christmas vacation. When I get back it's an 8 week stint (less of course the Easter Weekend which makes for two 4-day weeks) until a two week Easter vacation.
 

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