What do you think about the ban on light bulbs

This is a complete disaster. A total distortment of the Constitution. Are we really to believe the founders left the federal government the authority to control how we light our houses? Give me a break.

I would do this on my own, but I won't because of this stupid stupid law. Count me in as another hoarder.
 
This reminds me...I need to go out and buy a big pack of incadescent light bulbs tomorrow!! :thumbsup2

I HATE florescents. I have to stand under them all day at work. The last thing I want is to come home and still be bathed in that awful headache inducing, color distorting, and skin washing light. I cringe every time I go into a hotel room, flick on the light in the bathroom, and have to wait for a flourescent tube light to slowly flicker on and make my skin look green and yellow. ICK. :crazy2:

OTOH, Menard's will also recycle old CFL bulbs. We have to defect them out whenever they get broken in the electrical department anyway, and we wrap them and send them out. It isn't officially stated, but I know I would take them with no problems. :thumbsup2
 
There is some questioning of the science underlying these types of regulations. I am sure no reasonable person believes them to be utterly cavalier -- we all must understand that the conclusions are based on research that is considered valid by the scientific discipline. However, what we must also recognize is that the details of the such science is almost surely too academic and too specialized in interest for its explanations to resonate with lay-folks like us, given only just a few words in a discussion forum. We have a choice, either to respect the folks who are experts in these things, because we used our best judgment, collectively, as a society, to put them in the position they're in, or we essentially castrate our own ability to foster a better society, by assuming that our society has no ability to place competent people in positions of authority.

This (environmental science) is not my expertise, but I would bet dollars-to-donuts that it is as specialized as my own expertise in business management, and I cannot tell you how often I encounter folks commenting about business management online who aren't interested in learning the science underlying the conclusions they object to, but at the same time are still unwilling to accept the conclusions of the overriding consensus of the experts. Instead, many of them choose to latch on to the nay-saying of the minority of the experts, not because they understand the science and what that minority is saying rings true, but rather because they like the conclusions of the nay-sayers.

Way too often, these days, people choose to put their own personal preferences and convenience over what's best for themselves and their descendants, long-term. We're an instant gratification-driven society, now, and the negative impact of that type of myopia is going to be something our children, and children's children, are going to be paying for.
 
I'm with you OP!!!!

I wanted to go into the blackmarket lightbulb business but my DH didn't want me to. :rolleyes1


'This upsets me too
 

I really hate this law. Give us choices, not ultimatums!

We have such different lighting all over our house, it's already a hassle finding bulbs that work for us, and around where we live, we can't find CFLs for our chandelier lighting or the dimming type (almost every room in our house has a dimmer switch). I have yet to find a CFL that is bright enough for my bad eyes. I'm going to look into LED lighting like some have mentioned, but geez, that's awfully pricey! They'd better last a long time to make it worth our while.
 
There is some questioning of the science underlying these types of regulations. I am sure no reasonable person believes them to be utterly cavalier -- we all must understand that the conclusions are based on research that is considered valid by the scientific discipline. However, what we must also recognize is that the details of the such science is almost surely too academic and too specialized in interest for its explanations to resonate with lay-folks like us, given only just a few words in a discussion forum. We have a choice, either to respect the folks who are experts in these things, because we used our best judgment, collectively, as a society, to put them in the position they're in, or we essentially castrate our own ability to foster a better society, by assuming that our society has no ability to place competent people in positions of authority.

This (environmental science) is not my expertise, but I would bet dollars-to-donuts that it is as specialized as my own expertise in business management, and I cannot tell you how often I encounter folks commenting about business management online who aren't interested in learning the science underlying the conclusions they object to, but at the same time are still unwilling to accept the conclusions of the overriding consensus of the experts. Instead, many of them choose to latch on to the nay-saying of the minority of the experts, not because they understand the science and what that minority is saying rings true, but rather because they like the conclusions of the nay-sayers.

Way too often, these days, people choose to put their own personal preferences and convenience over what's best for themselves and their descendants, long-term. We're an instant gratification-driven society, now, and the negative impact of that type of myopia is going to be something our children, and children's children, are going to be paying for.

well said. :thumbsup2
 
This is a complete disaster. A total distortment of the Constitution. Are we really to believe the founders left the federal government the authority to control how we light our houses? Give me a break.

I would do this on my own, but I won't because of this stupid stupid law. Count me in as another hoarder.

Actually, I think regulating products does fall rather neatly under the interstate commerce clause, so the authority is there. The question is whether this is a beneficial use of it, and of course opinions on that will vary.

I'm curious, why would you resist making a change that you say you'd have made anyway just because it is codified in law?
 
Actually, I think regulating products does fall rather neatly under the interstate commerce clause, so the authority is there. The question is whether this is a beneficial use of it, and of course opinions on that will vary.

I'm curious, why would you resist making a change that you say you'd have made anyway just because it is codified in law?

Because freedom, doesn't mean the freedom to only make the right decision. Forcing the public to buy one product over another via law is not only illegal (imho), it is immoral.

The Commerce Clause has been so distorted since the FDR administration to allow the executive branch and the federal government unlimited powers. Read the writings of the founders and it is obvious that the entire spirit of the Constitution is ignored.

There is literally not a single chance that the federal government was given the right to have any such authority over decisions Americans make. If the government can tell you what type of light you can buy, what does the commerce clause not give them the right to do?
 
There is some questioning of the science underlying these types of regulations. I am sure no reasonable person believes them to be utterly cavalier -- we all must understand that the conclusions are based on research that is considered valid by the scientific discipline. However, what we must also recognize is that the details of the such science is almost surely too academic and too specialized in interest for its explanations to resonate with lay-folks like us, given only just a few words in a discussion forum. We have a choice, either to respect the folks who are experts in these things, because we used our best judgment, collectively, as a society, to put them in the position they're in, or we essentially castrate our own ability to foster a better society, by assuming that our society has no ability to place competent people in positions of authority.

This (environmental science) is not my expertise, but I would bet dollars-to-donuts that it is as specialized as my own expertise in business management, and I cannot tell you how often I encounter folks commenting about business management online who aren't interested in learning the science underlying the conclusions they object to, but at the same time are still unwilling to accept the conclusions of the overriding consensus of the experts. Instead, many of them choose to latch on to the nay-saying of the minority of the experts, not because they understand the science and what that minority is saying rings true, but rather because they like the conclusions of the nay-sayers.

Way too often, these days, people choose to put their own personal preferences and convenience over what's best for themselves and their descendants, long-term. We're an instant gratification-driven society, now, and the negative impact of that type of myopia is going to be something our children, and children's children, are going to be paying for.
I agree. :thumbsup2
 
This is one of the silliest things I've ever heard mpeople getting their panties in a wad over.

Lightbulbs. Seriously?
 
This is one of the silliest things I've ever heard mpeople getting their panties in a wad over.

Lightbulbs. Seriously?

None of the government's business what kind of light bulb I use. They want to tell me how I can light my house, that I can't allow smoking in my bar, and if I lived in New York they wouldn't want me to be allowed to have any food with salt in it. At some point you flip a switch and learn to say enough is enough, keep your hands out of my personal decisions.
 
I really hate this law. Give us choices, not ultimatums!
CFLs have been around as a choice for a while, but too few people have been willing to make the switch, and we continue to destroy the world that our children will inherit from us. There is a place for giving choices -- I agree with you about that completely -- but too few people care about the future enough to take the logical next steps to preclude making things better for their descendants, then it is government's obligation to provide leadership in the direction of what's necessary. We can go back in history and see many examples where people had the choice to do the right thing for a long time, but it was really the imposition of law that made it a reality: The abolition of slavery, civil rights, safe working conditions, etc.

I'm going to look into LED lighting like some have mentioned, but geez, that's awfully pricey! They'd better last a long time to make it worth our while.
I've read it two ways: That LEDs are less expensive over the long-term than CFLs, and vice versa. Either way, they're both a lot less expensive, over the long-term, than incandescent bulbs. Here's one comparison I just found

@60,000 hours
equivalent light as a 60 watt incandescent bulb

Incandescent Bulb total = $875.52 (including the cost of 40 bulbs)
CFL total = $209.61 (including the cost of 6 bulbs)
LED total = $137.12 (including the cost of 1 bulb)




As I mentioned earlier, LEDs become more financially efficient when they get down to about $30, about 1/2 of their current price point. Right now, LEDs are, on average, not much different in cost, over the long-term, as compared to your old incandescent bulb (which are, incidentally, under most circumstances, the worst option of the three, financially, over the long-term).
 
When something important to ME becomes in jeopardy, then I will stand up and fight. Lightbulbs are not worth fighting for. YMMV.
 
Because freedom, doesn't mean the freedom to only make the right decision. Forcing the public to buy one product over another via law is not only illegal (imho), it is immoral.
Your comments are deceptive. The proposal is to make selling certain products, demonstrated to be damaging to the environment as compared to ready-alternatives, illegal. There is no aspect of this law that would compel anyone to buy anything, whatsoever.

Your read of the Commerce Clause would mean we'd still be dealing with Thalidomide babies, Love Canal scenarios, etc. :rolleyes:
 
I see the bigger picture.
This is critical. The resistance bans like this one have faced, where there have been efforts to do similar things, have typically been from folks either neglectfully or willfully viewing the situation from their own personal perspective, without any regard for the impact of such decisions on people besides themselves, sometimes (including this time) including their own descendants. People really need to stop just looking at everything from the standpoint of what they would like and start looking at things from the standpoint of what's best overall. Otherwise, this little experiment called civilization is going to be a failure, because what we see playing out in these cases at the micro-level ends up reflected at the macro-level, with nations essentially making myopic or selfish decisions that ignore the impact of their decisions beyond their own borders, and ignore the impact of their decision beyond their own generation.
 
When something important to ME becomes in jeopardy, then I will stand up and fight. Lightbulbs are not worth fighting for. YMMV.
I can't speak for others, but I couldn't care less about light bulbs. I care about mercury emissions and the whole host of other second-order artifacts of continuing to use cheap incandescent light bulbs.
 
Your comments are deceptive. The proposal is to make selling certain products, demonstrated to be damaging to the environment as compared to ready-alternatives, illegal. There is no aspect of this law that would compel anyone to buy anything, whatsoever.

Your read of the Commerce Clause would mean we'd still be dealing with Thalidomide babies, Love Canal scenarios, etc. :rolleyes:

There is no evidence that incandescent damage the environment anymore than the compact flourescent bulbs that contain mercury. To compare a light bulb to Love Canal is over the top.
 

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