What do YOU think about the $700 billion bail?

[seaturtledude]

know who's responsible?

Mr.President and his war.

 

[Sparx]

Mr.President and his war.

nonononononono.
no.

the president is partially at fault, because no feds were monitoring the loans these people loaned out, but the war HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS. Its all the loan companies and banks fault, for giving out bad loans and making the adjustable rate mortgage's so high that no one can afford their house payment.

 

[I'm a Divaaaaa]

Mr.President and his war.

The only thing the war affect is how much we are already in debt.

 

[seaturtledude]

right now the iraq war has cost us $582,449,700,616..if al gore was elected president, would we have this oil problem? yes, but we would be much closer to alternative energy sources! would we be in iraq? no. would we be in this much debt?no.

 

[AbsoluteAwesome1]

right now the iraq war has cost us $582,449,700,616..if al gore was elected president, would we have this oil problem? yes, but we would be much closer to alternative energy sources! would we be in iraq? no. would we be in this much debt?no.

Still --

this and the war are unrelated.

AN EXPLANATION-
you know all those commercials "ZERO DOWN MORTGAGE, NO PAYMENT TIL 2014!!!" and whatever?
those are our problem. Because people buy these huge McMansions thinking, oh, gee, I can afford this!
but, then... 2014 comes, and they can't pay the mortgage.
So then there are all these foreclosures.
And then the banks went down the toilet.
Because the banks gave money to people who never gave it back.

Mortgage crisis =/= war.

Don't get me wrong -- I'm just about as anti-war as you.
But they're different issues.

 

[seaturtledude]

"Wall Street had a Party and now we're going to pay"-TIME MAGAZINE

that pretty much sums it up.

 

[Sparx]

"Wall Street had a Party and now we're going to pay"-TIME MAGAZINE

that pretty much sums it up.

time is as bias as faux news.

the mortgage crisis and the war are unrelated.
yes, both are bad.
but one did not cause the other.

oh, and your buddy al gore, his HOUSE uses more electricity in a WEEK than my TOWN does in a MONTH.
yeah, he's super hardcore enviornmentalist when the camera's are on.

 

[seaturtledude]

time is as bias as faux news.


yeah, he's super hardcore enviornmentalist when the camera's are on.

i wouldn't call time bias. they have discussion about both sides of issues. and about al gore, i guarantee he helps the environment much more in a month then everyone in the town does in a year. if he was elected, america wouldn't be in this mess.

 

[Captain Brain]

actually guys, to be totally honest, none of us really understand the AMOUNT of money we are talking about here.

if you go back to the day jesus was born (about 2008 years ago?) and if you spent one thousand dollars EVERY DAY until now, you would have JUST recently hit 700 million. not even 700 billion.

That's a very scary(ish) thought, Shelby. Your views on these things are always so insightful, and knowledgeable.

 

[AbsoluteAwesome1]

i wouldn't call time bias. they have discussion about both sides of issues. and about al gore, i guarantee he helps the environment much more in a month then everyone in the town does in a year. if he was elected, america wouldn't be in this mess.

Only partially true.
The debt wouldn't be nearly as big.
But the banks still could have made the same screw-up.

 

[seaturtledude]

Only partially true.
The debt wouldn't be nearly as big.
But the banks still could have made the same screw-up.

sorry about that, i know my post was kinda off topic when i said "america wouldn't be in this mess" i meant the war, the war debts, the oil problem,the environment problem,etc. i wasn't referencing the $700billion dollar bailout.

 

[AbsoluteAwesome1]

sorry about that, i know my post was kinda off topic when i said "america wouldn't be in this mess" i meant the war, the war debts, the oil problem,the environment problem,etc. i wasn't referencing the $700billion dollar bailout.

Ahh, okay.
I was like, "interesting theory you got there.."
But yeah.

 

[I'm a Divaaaaa]

oh, and your buddy al gore, his HOUSE uses more electricity in a WEEK than my TOWN does in a MONTH.
yeah, he's super hardcore enviornmentalist when the camera's are on.

Source?


And that's not an attack, I'm generally curious.

 

[Sparx]

That's a very scary(ish) thought, Shelby. Your views on these things are always so insightful, and knowledgeable.

i appreciate that.

and to the person asking for a source, that quote was all over the news after his movie about the cgi polar bears drowning came out.

 

[Columba]

Gore's estate has been criticized twice by the group the Tennessee Center for Policy Research (TCPR). In February 2007 the group stated that their analysis of records from the Nashville Electric Service indicated that the Gore household uses "20 times as much electricity as the average household nationwide."[181][182] In reporting on TCPR's claims, MSNBC noted that the Nashville Electric Service report "omits several other key facts. The former vice president's home has 20 rooms, including home offices for himself and his wife, as well as a guest house and special security measures. Furthermore, the Gores buy energy produced from renewable sources, such as wind and solar. Tonight, Countdown confirmed with the local utility officials that their program, called the Green Power Switch, actually costs more for the Gores -- four dollars for every 150 kilowatt hours. Meaning, by our calculations, our math here, that the Gores actually chose to increase their electric bill by $5,893, more than 50 percent, in order to minimize carbon pollution."[183] A few months later, the Associated Press reported on December 13, 2007 that Gore "has completed a host of improvements to make the home more energy efficient, and a building-industry group has praised the house as one of the nation's most environmentally friendly [...] 'Short of tearing it down and starting anew, I don't know how it could have been rated any higher,' said Kim Shinn of the non-profit U.S. Green Building Council, which gave the house its second-highest rating for sustainable design."[184]

Gore was criticized by the TCPR again in June 2008, after the group obtained his public utility bills from the Nashville Electric Service and compared "electricity consumption between the 12 months before June 2007, when it says he installed his new technology, and the year since then."[185][186] According to their analysis, the Gores consumed 10% more energy in the year since their home received its eco-friendly modifications. TCPR also argued that, while the "average American household consumes 11,040 kWh in an entire year," the Gore residence "uses an average of 17,768 kWh per month –1,638 kWh more energy per month than before the renovations."[186] Gore's spokeswoman Kalee Kreider countered the claim by stating that the Gores' "utility bills have gone down 40 percent since the green retrofit." and that "the three-year renovation on the home wasn't complete until November, so it's a bit early to attempt a before-and-after comparison."[187] She also noted that TCPR did not include Gore's gas bill in their analysis (which they had done the previous year) and that the gas "bill has gone down 90 percent [...] And when the Gores do power up, they pay for renewable resources, like wind and solar power or methane gas."[188] Media Matters for America also discussed the fact that "100 percent of the electricity in his home comes from green power" and quoted the Tennessee Valley Authority as stating that "[a]lthough no source of energy is impact-free, renewable resources create less waste and pollution."

 

[seaturtledude]

his estate does come from renewable energy, which most of america (citizens) doesn't use.