What do you say to a mooch? -Vent

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My brother is a typical mooch. Tight with his own money but uses other people's funds freely. For instance, whenever we go out-I typically pay-even when he invites me out. How many times could he be saving up for something or forgot his wallet?
Now this is it.
A couple of years ago I was living in a vacation state, my brother wanted to come and to save me the trouble-invited himself and my mother. Initially I said no but realized I missed family. I paid for my mom's ticket and his as well out of savings. I thought I would be paid back but he went through hard times again so I said fine and forgave the debt. I paid for the tickets, cooked all the food, he never chipped in when we went out, nothing. I knew after that I wouldn't have him over again. He acted horribly in last time, getting mad at my mom for asking him for money (but it was o.k. for him to rely on me??), getting stupidly drunk in public and acted like a frat boy on Spring Break. It was really embarrassing.

So fast forward to today. I am living in another country and during a phone call he asks me when would I invite him over. I said no and tried to change the subject. Well, he goes on about how he wants to travel and wants to come in October. We already have plans and he says "Well, you live there so you can change the time." We already have money saved towards this trip, deposits put down and there is no way I am even willing to change it because of his behavior last time. The last time he invited himself over and I told him that it wasn't a good time, he acted rudely towards me.

We are here for a limited time and we have trips planned up, money saved for them and I am not willing to use what we have saved to again host someone who has rarely said thank you and keeps asking for more. If he wants to travel, he can pay for his own plane ticket and a place to stay. I am sick of feeling guilty for telling someone that they are not welcome. I love him but I can't afford to pay for him and not give up something that my husband and I want to do.
 
What do you say? "No."

You've enabled this behavior quite a bit by paying for his meals, etc. and letting him get away with it. The sooner you stop the cycle, the better.

I'm always surprised by how much crap people put up with just because the person doling out the crap is family. Life's too short.
 
I feel guilty about stuff I shouldn't and resentful when I do stuff I don't want to because I felt guilty so I can understand. I'm not good about putting up boundaries but am slowly learning.

This would definitely be a sorry, no for me. You and your husband have other plans and frankly even if you didn't it doesn't seem like hosting your brother would be wise.
 
What do you say? "No."

You've enabled this behavior quite a bit by paying for his meals, etc. and letting him get away with it. The sooner you stop the cycle, the better.

I'm always surprised by how much crap people put up with just because the person doling out the crap is family. Life's too short.


This poster hit the answer dead on..follow the advice!
 

I would be firm and tell him no. You already have things planned and invested for your future trip with your husband. I would definitely let him know that if he wants to travel, go right ahead, but he has to pay for it himself. And if he wants to travel in October, go right ahead, but you won't be in town and he will have to find another place to stay.
 
He's manipulating you. When he doesn't get his way, he gets mean. I know people like this, too. I know you love him, and understand how it's gone on, but he's using you. You have to say no. Do NOT buy him a plane ticket or otherwise make plans with him if you don't want to. It may mean you don't see him, but if those are the conditions, who needs it? It sounds like it's unpleasant all around, and there's very little in it for you. Be strong. :hug:
 
Just keep saying NO. If he persists, ask, "What part of NO don't you understand?"
 
Say no. I'd offer to send info on hotels if he wants to come at another time but really, no, you can't stay with us and no, we're not paying for anything related to your trip or meals. Brother can travel whenever he wants but if he comes in October, you won't be there to see him. Do not change your plans to accommodate him.
 
'NO' is a complete sentence....
(seriously, no one other word of explanation or apology is needed)

And, when somebody shows you who they are, believe them!
 
Like everyone said, you need to tell him no and that you already have other plans. Be firm and consistent. Keep saying the same thing no matter how many times he asks you or what he says to try to manipulate you. If you find yourself feeling sorry for him, end the conversation immediately. Don't let him manipulate you. If you have a problem being firm, you can have your husband talk to him and tell him no.
 
My brother is a typical mooch. Tight with his own money but uses other people's funds freely. For instance, whenever we go out-I typically pay-even when he invites me out. How many times could he be saving up for something or forgot his wallet?
Now this is it.
A couple of years ago I was living in a vacation state, my brother wanted to come and to save me the trouble-invited himself and my mother. Initially I said no but realized I missed family. I paid for my mom's ticket and his as well out of savings. I thought I would be paid back but he went through hard times again so I said fine and forgave the debt. I paid for the tickets, cooked all the food, he never chipped in when we went out, nothing. I knew after that I wouldn't have him over again. He acted horribly in last time, getting mad at my mom for asking him for money (but it was o.k. for him to rely on me??), getting stupidly drunk in public and acted like a frat boy on Spring Break. It was really embarrassing.

So fast forward to today. I am living in another country and during a phone call he asks me when would I invite him over. I said no and tried to change the subject. Well, he goes on about how he wants to travel and wants to come in October. We already have plans and he says "Well, you live there so you can change the time." We already have money saved towards this trip, deposits put down and there is no way I am even willing to change it because of his behavior last time. The last time he invited himself over and I told him that it wasn't a good time, he acted rudely towards me.

We are here for a limited time and we have trips planned up, money saved for them and I am not willing to use what we have saved to again host someone who has rarely said thank you and keeps asking for more. If he wants to travel, he can pay for his own plane ticket and a place to stay. I am sick of feeling guilty for telling someone that they are not welcome. I love him but I can't afford to pay for him and not give up something that my husband and I want to do.
Don't feel guilty. Your brother is trying to manipulate you. Stick by your guns and keep on saying "no". If he presses you, remind him about the last time he invited himself. My guess is that you never hashed it out with him so perhaps now is the time.
 
I firmly believe that every family has a mooch, and if you don't know who it is...then it's you!! LOL!!!

I like the PP who said to tell him you can't afford to have him come visit! Put it right back on him that it's his own fault for being a mooch!
 
If he couldn't afford to pay his way last time, how could he afford to get frat boy drunk?
 
Tell him you will be unavailable. But if he still insists on coming, you would be happy to recommend hotels he could book for his stay.
 
Tell him you will be unavailable. But if he still insists on coming, you would be happy to recommend hotels he could book for his stay.

I'd even consider offering my spare key as long as I had time to clean ALL the food out of the house :)
 












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