We want to redhead!

[The Green Monster]

Just learned about this change for Pirates. So sad that this part of the ride is changing. Whats next? Shaving of the hairy leg?! Smh

 

[CAS239]

https://www.disboards.com/threads/pirates-of-the-caribbean-auction-scene-to-change.3614906/

There was a long discussion here that is now closed

 

[Marshel]

Does it bother me? No. Can I see where it might bother someone else? Yes. In the big scheme of things do I mind them changing it? Not in the least.

 

[Coral Reef Diver]

I like brunettes.

 

[TropicalDIS]

It's ridiculous, but this is the world we live in today. Everything must be PC.

It's a ride folks. A ride that briefly takes you into the world of Pirates, with songs and memorable characters.

If you go into these things looking to find something to nit pick or something to upset you, you're probably going to find something.

It won't stop me from enjoying the ride, but it does make me wonder whats next. There's always something on the agenda.

 

[Shanti]

Just learned about this change for Pirates. So sad that this part of the ride is changing. Whats next? Shaving of the hairy leg?! Smh

Please, let's not add a leg wax scene to pirates!

 

[Disney_and_Wine]

I don't see why we cannot apply the "Would it be done today?" test to things like this. For example, suppose there was no NFL team in Washington DC and the NFL just awarded the city an expansion franchise. The franchise had to submit a proposed team name to the league office. Would they ever consider submitting "Redskins" as an option and even if they did, would the league ever accept it? The whole idea is ridiculous. So why is it ridiculous to think that the league should make them change it now? Same here. If PoC did not exist and was being built today, would Disney include a scene where women were being sold into bridal slavery with several of them in tears? The idea of this is ridiculous. So if it wouldn't be built today, why is the idea of deleting that scene so wrong? I suppose I could be persuaded in the other direction if someone could demonstrate that kidnapping women and selling them at auction is an historically accurate depiction of what pirates actually did. But there is no evidence of that. So if the ride is going to depict made-up scenes for fun and laughter (which it absolutely should...there is no intent here to be historically accurate and that is fine), then the made-up scenes should be fun and laughable. Few people can find sexual slavery funny.

Oh. And in answer to the question...I am not "bothered by the scene" but I agree with the decision to change it. I don't get bothered by too much at amusement parks.

 

[stinkpickle]

I don't think pirates are supposed to be nice people.

 

[Shanti]

I don't think pirates are supposed to be nice people.

That might surprise some of the people who want the redhead turned into a pirate herself, so she can be some kind of role model.

 

[bettybooplove]

Jesus.

 

[GBBTomorrow]

It's a ride folks.

I completely agree. It's a ride. Just a ride. So I see making a change to it as absolutely no big deal. I'm not going to get in a twist because an amusement park decides to make a change to a ride it owns and operates. It's a non-issue.

 

[Karin1984]

I don't see why we cannot apply the "Would it be done today?" test to things like this. For example, suppose there was no NFL team in Washington DC and the NFL just awarded the city an expansion franchise. The franchise had to submit a proposed team name to the league office. Would they ever consider submitting "Redskins" as an option and even if they did, would the league ever accept it? The whole idea is ridiculous. So why is it ridiculous to think that the league should make them change it now? Same here. If PoC did not exist and was being built today, would Disney include a scene where women were being sold into bridal slavery with several of them in tears? The idea of this is ridiculous. So if it wouldn't be built today, why is the idea of deleting that scene so wrong? I suppose I could be persuaded in the other direction if someone could demonstrate that kidnapping women and selling them at auction is an historically accurate depiction of what pirates actually did. But there is no evidence of that. So if the ride is going to depict made-up scenes for fun and laughter (which it absolutely should...there is no intent here to be historically accurate and that is fine), then the made-up scenes should be fun and laughable. Few people can find sexual slavery funny.

Oh. And in answer to the question...I am not "bothered by the scene" but I agree with the decision to change it. I don't get bothered by too much at amusement parks.

I don't think they would include a scene with women to be auctioned off nowadays. But I do think a tavern scene with scantily clad women would be very possible. As that is also what you see so many period movies and series, including Pirates of the Caribbean. And usually those scenes leave little to the imagination of what the purpose is of a woman in a tavern scene.

 

[TropicalDIS]

I completely agree. It's a ride. Just a ride. So I see making a change to it as absolutely no big deal. I'm not going to get in a twist because an amusement park decides to make a change to a ride it owns and operates. It's a non-issue.

As i said, im still going to enjoy the ride and it won't stop me from having a great time.

But this was done because of a PC complaint. So fine you changed this ride, but where does it end? Is there a point where you aren't afraid to say that you aren't going to make a change?

 

[Shanti]

I don't think they would include a scene with women to be auctioned off nowadays. But I do think a tavern scene with scantily clad women would be very possible...

I wouldn't be surprised if Disney management had these same exact same insane conversations before deciding to change the ride.

 

[DisneyQueen1320]

There's a wonderful article on disneytouristblog.com. Tom Bricker has some good points about the ride.

 

[thevolcanogod]

I just can't believe the parks would still call little people "dwarves". How insulting and demeaning. Also what's up with Snow White just doing the cooking, cleaning and darning the men's socks? She should be mining or better yet, a forewoman.

 

[ofcabbagesandkings]

I think making the redhead into a pirate is a cool idea, as historically there were some pretty terrifying female pirates (Ann Bonney as an example). Historically, pirates often sold captives back to their families for a ransom, not at auction. Some pirates even ran mafia-like "protection" rackets where you paid a fee to have the pirates leave your town or ship alone. Pirate history is fascinating if you really want to research it.

What I find confusing is that it's the same folks who often scream "family values!" that are bemoaning the loss of a scene depicting women being sold into sexual slavery.

 

[thevolcanogod]

What I find confusing is that it's the same folks who often scream "family values!" that are bemoaning the loss of a scene depicting women being sold into sexual slavery.

I agree. But I also don't understand why society says this scene must go but Big Love is a-ok, won many awards and is rated very highly! Can someone please explain that to me?

 

[danikoski]

As i said, im still going to enjoy the ride and it won't stop me from having a great time.

But this was done because of a PC complaint. So fine you changed this ride, but where does it end? Is there a point where you aren't afraid to say that you aren't going to make a change?

I haven't heard of PC complaints. I haven't seen a single article mention protests or letter writing campaigns to change this scene.
It seems more like Disney is trying to cash in on a female pirate character, add more characters from the movies, and at the same time change a scene that could be a future PR issue.

 

[bumbershoot]

But this was done because of a PC complaint. So fine you changed this ride, but where does it end? Is there a point where you aren't afraid to say that you aren't going to make a change?

Well, is the whole ride gone? No. Despite the fact that pirates were atrocious people. So that's your "I'm not going to make a change".

Not sure why you want to keep a scene that's basically depicting imminent rape (for a lifetime) within a ride...

But I get that not everyone has kids that ask serious questions of their parents (like my kid) and who want REAL answers not just fluff. And even when you don't *answer* thoroughly because if the age of the child at the time of the question, it sets up a series of questions in your mind that results in "what the heck is this scene doing in this ride?" thoughts...


You say PC (like it's always a bad thing"; I say "let's stop being jerks and maybe think about what we are depicting."