We ordered from Photopass but now after it expired Mother in law wants more??

[DisneyVillain]

I want to see one day that you need what you consider as the perfect picture of your family taken by a pro-photographer and he/she is no longer in business. Until they day comes, you can't tell me that you will then just say "oh well, we can't have our perfect picture because the photographer is out of business and dammit I won't make a copy of that picture because it would be considered stealing".

That's very close to the "everybody does it" defense. Next time your kids use that one, remeber that you are ok with it.

So your contention is, if the only way you can get something is to steal it, then it's ok.

 

[Kelly Grannell]

That's very close to the "everybody does it" defense.

One has no correlation with another.

So your contention is, if the only way you can get something is to steal it, then it's ok.

It's case-per-case basis, in this case, YES.
Even the court of law sees everything in case-per-case basis and YOU want to clump everything together as one big case?

 

[DisneyVillain]

BTW, I'm a pro photog and I have no problem people doing that. In fact, for pics a'la Photopass, weddings, corporate events, I always give my clients the high-res files so they can print any picture at any size (up to 20" x 30" print, the limitation of my camera).

Without a session fee? Wow!

 

[DisneyVillain]

It's case-per-case basis, in this case, YES.
Even the court of law sees everything in case-per-case basis and YOU want to clump everything together as one big case?

I guess we just draw the line differently. If my kids were hungry or in danger and I could find no alternative, then I would steal something.

 

[Kelly Grannell]

Without a session fee? Wow!

Although I charge for session fee, I charge no more than other photogs that charge prints on top of the session fee.

On per-shot average, I charge $1 (yes, ONE dollar) per shot and the client gets the highest resolution pic file. Other photog charges the same or more BUT then they charge an additional $1 per print for the first set of pictures in 4"x6" (which is basically a must since that's the only way the client can see the pictures) plus $2 for reprints (per 4"x6")

 

[DisneyVillain]

Although I charge for session fee, I charge no more than other photogs that charge prints on top of the session fee.

On per-shot average, I charge $1 (yes, ONE dollar) per shot and the client gets the highest resolution pic file. Other photog charges the same or more BUT then they charge an additional $1 per print for the first set of pictures in 4"x6" (which is basically a must since that's the only way the client can see the pictures) plus $2 for reprints (per 4"x6")

Then it isn't really "ala Photopass", since the prints are the only revenue for that service. The big difference, of course, is that they didn't have to steal the high resolution files from you.

 

[justplaingoofy]

We went to a cvs and scanned/copied a 5x7 for $1.49. Sure beats the $9.99 additional cost.

 

[Kelly Grannell]

DisneyVillain, all I can say is... "whatever"

Disney charges $10 per print, I charge $1 for the actual file.

For $12 a PhotoPass customer will get a 5x7 plus another "stolen" 5x7 (total 2 prints, and still no original). For the same amount, my client can get at least SIX 5x7 prints PLUS the original high-res image. I use better equipment than those Photopass guys (from what's been reported around DIS), better framing and composition, and much higher resolution pictures. So shoot me if I think it's fair for people to "steal" Disney pictures AFTER they are no longer available to the buyers.

My price is cheaper and more fair to the customer.

Yes it's not exactly "a'la PhotoPass".

PS: Besides, I'm talking about photography style. "A'la" means "style", therefore it means "Photopass Style" as opposed to "Bouduir Style" or "Landscape Style".

 

[DisneyVillain]

For $12 a PhotoPass customer will get a 5x7 plus another "stolen" 5x7 (total 2 prints, and still no original). For the same amount, my client can get at least SIX 5x7 prints PLUS the original high-res image. I use better equipment than those Photopass guys (from what's been reported around DIS), better framing and composition, and much higher resolution pictures.

Now you've switched your argument to "it's ok to steal from Photopass because they are expensive and the quality isn't that great."

How you price your photography services isn't relevant.

 

[Kelly Grannell]

Now you've switched your argument to "it's ok to steal from Photopass because they are expensive and the quality isn't that great."

Hmm, is English your second languange? What I stated are facts, NEVER I said it's ok to steal because of the price.

You make a very bad lawyer... but a great politician.

 

[DisneyVillain]

Hmm, is English your second languange? ... You make a very bad lawyer... but a great politician.

Since you have stooped to name calling, this will be my last post. Argumentum ad hominem is never appropriate in a civil discussion.

What I stated are facts, NEVER I said it's ok to steal because of the price. ?

You included your price statements in a post arguing that it is ok to steal these photos. While you didn't directly make that statement, the implication is clearly there. If you didn't feel that Disney's price and quality are relevant to whether it's ok to copy the photos, why did you bring it up?

 

[tlbwriter]

I'm torn on this one. I fully support copyright laws and would never encourage anyone to break them just because it's cheaper. But when you have someone who bought all she needed in good faith, and then found she needed more and was unable to buy them... I don't know. It seems that since she didn't underbuy on purpose, and Disney is no longer willing/able to sell them to her, no one is being taken advantage of and the copyright holder is not losing a sale if she copies them. So while it's still legally a copyright violation, I personally believe that in this particular case it is morally okay.

You may have problems getting copies, or you may not. Some locations are more strict about this than others. Anything that "looks" professional can be rejected (even though, as some have pointed out, the Photopass pics don't always look professional ). But apparently those who actually reject suspicious photos are few and far between. A semi-professional photographer I know sent an obviously professional portrait to an online photo printer to be reprinted (partly just to show me it could be done, since I insisted it would be rejected) and it was reprinted without a word.

 

[lfama]

I am a sneaky little thing - I really didn't want to buy any of the PhotoPass photos, but we took a lot, and most were really cute. I tried saving them on my computer, but the website disables right clicking, saving, copying, etc. So I took a screen capture of each page, pasted it into MS Paint, and cropped the page so it was only our photo. Then I saved them. Now I have all of my pictures to look at on my computer. I couldn't deal with those pictures being gone.

 

[PIRATEGIRL007]

I AGREE with you. Copyright is copyright NO MATTER what the issue. There was a reason behind copyright laws.


BTW if Wal-Mart catches you copying on the Kodak Machine and realizes that photo is copyrighted they have the right to confiscate your photo. Read the copyright agreement carefully when it comes up and asks you to agree. I've never heard of any other store doing it, but WM will. I've personally witnessed it and let me tell you it was not pretty. The cust in front of me was not happy.


everyone flame away

 

[Kelly Grannell]

copyrights aside, I'm not going to discuss about that again, how would WalMart know whether you are to copyright holder instead of somebody else? I've stopped using WalMart because they have refused me printing my own pictures one too many time. How am I supposed to prove that the picture I'm printing is mine?

 

[poshspice94]

Ok lets be serious people I just spent over $75 on that Photopass website for 5 measly pictures and my husband almost choked me. My mom wanted a copy and I refuse to give them any more money PLUS shipping. The people at CVS were a pain and didnt let me reprint. (Older Man at the counter had the code and wouldnt give it to me). A nice girl at Walgreens let me reproduce them all and even helped me, knowing they were Disney. (Old school vs. new school apparently). So basically if you dont want the hassle just use your scanner if you have one. That way you can have them on your computer and send them to whoever you want. If you dont have a scanner, try to go to a place you think wont make a big deal about it. And dont let anyone make you feel your doing anything wrong!!

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1990- Polynesian Beach Resort (High School Graduation)
1997- Carribean Beach Resort (Honeymoon)
1998- Port Orleans Resort (1 year Anniversary)
2001- Corronado Springs Resort (Dads 60th B-Day)
2002- All-Star Sports (Daughters Birthday)
2004- Pop Century
2005- All-Star Movies

 

[tlbwriter]

copyrights aside, I'm not going to discuss about that again, how would WalMart know whether you are to copyright holder instead of somebody else? I've stopped using WalMart because they have refused me printing my own pictures one too many time. How am I supposed to prove that the picture I'm printing is mine?

Those who enforce the law will err on the side of caution. If it looks like a professional took it, they won't print it unless you have a signed release. I've used a signed release to copy an item (a blueprint, not a photo) that was on the copyright holder's letterhead.

 

[PrincessCM]

The Wal-Mart in my hometown is very picky about professional photos being copied. I did one of my father (who is 81 years old now) when he was only about 3 years old - and they made me sign a form about copyright laws. Now tell me that photo studio is still around......

 

[Bee]

oops... didnt mean to upset anyone.. removed post.

 

[disneyaggie]

I just went onto PhotoPass and copied the page with all of the photos and saved it in My Pictures. Then when I went to My Pictures, yep, there they were. I clicked on a few of them and sure enough the picture comes up (thumbnail size, but I can still see it). I can now see all of my pictures without spending tons of money on pictures that will most likely end up in a book or collect dust.

When I was at WDW, I did get some of the pictures (we actually had some free picture coupons that certainly came in quite handy) so we were pretty well set. Now I can see all of the pictures on my computer. Whee!