We were at Disney today and bought into Vero Beach!! We are very excited and wanted to hear some reviews from people who have been there. Any input would be appreciated. Roland Lammers was very good and patient through the whole process. Kudos to Roland for providing excellent assistance@!
We just signed up!!! Questions on VB
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Vero is a great place, really one of the most beautiful resorts with good size rooms in the world.
I hope that you are planning to stay there most of the time. We have had many reports recently of DVC sales staff telling people that if they want most of their vacations at WDW DVC resorts, they can save money and buy at Vero. It is not a good idea to follow that advice.
For being in a quiet place, secluded and with great beach all around, there aren't many places that can compre to Vero. The saving staying there on points as opposed to spending manoey to stay anywhere even close to comparable, is truly staggering. They have great activities for the kids and the place even feels like Disney.
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs", Karl Marx, pretty sick, huh?
I hope that you are planning to stay there most of the time. We have had many reports recently of DVC sales staff telling people that if they want most of their vacations at WDW DVC resorts, they can save money and buy at Vero. It is not a good idea to follow that advice.
For being in a quiet place, secluded and with great beach all around, there aren't many places that can compre to Vero. The saving staying there on points as opposed to spending manoey to stay anywhere even close to comparable, is truly staggering. They have great activities for the kids and the place even feels like Disney.
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs", Karl Marx, pretty sick, huh?
And loved it. My kids had a ball...
I have to take issue with Rich on <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I hope that you are planning to stay there most of the time[/quote]
I believe there is an exception to this if you have flexibility on when you can visit WDW. It also depends on the accommodations you require.
If you have a fixed time you travel each year, Rich is right on. You might want to think about an add on or small resale contract if this is the case.
But I think you will love VB. We did. I have pictures posted on a web site from our visit. Click Here To See Them.
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I have to take issue with Rich on <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I hope that you are planning to stay there most of the time[/quote]
I believe there is an exception to this if you have flexibility on when you can visit WDW. It also depends on the accommodations you require.
If you have a fixed time you travel each year, Rich is right on. You might want to think about an add on or small resale contract if this is the case.
But I think you will love VB. We did. I have pictures posted on a web site from our visit. Click Here To See Them.
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Well, according to some of the threads right here at the top today, and according to what happens every year, BWV is also IMPOSSIBLE to get into at all at certain times of year with the seven month window. A standard View at any time of year is very unlikely with the seven month window, a Grand Villa at OKW or BWV is also very difficult.
My intention wasn't to turn this into an anti Vero thread, Vero is a beautiful resort, truly one of the finest on the planet, but we are constantly hearing, and have heard from several different people recently, that DVC sales is still using lies and fraud to get people to buy at their poorly selling VB resort.
It is a good idea to buy where you plan to stay most. If you plan to stay at VB most of the time, that is the best place to buy. If you plan to stay at WDW DVC resorts most of the time, buying at VB is not the best choice. There are far less expensive and much easier to use alternatives.
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs", Karl Marx, pretty sick, huh?
My intention wasn't to turn this into an anti Vero thread, Vero is a beautiful resort, truly one of the finest on the planet, but we are constantly hearing, and have heard from several different people recently, that DVC sales is still using lies and fraud to get people to buy at their poorly selling VB resort.
It is a good idea to buy where you plan to stay most. If you plan to stay at VB most of the time, that is the best place to buy. If you plan to stay at WDW DVC resorts most of the time, buying at VB is not the best choice. There are far less expensive and much easier to use alternatives.
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs", Karl Marx, pretty sick, huh?
Maybe I am missing something, wouldnt you have the same trouble getting reservations if you were buying at the Villas at Wilderness Lodge? In other words, if BWV is where you really wanted to be, and you owned at VB or VWL, you still are looking at only being able to book 7 months out, correct?
Yes, that is true. But, BWV is still very available in the resale market. You could buy a resale, spend less money and get exactly what you want.
We have had several people that were pushed into buying VB when that wasn't where they wanted to stay, they have some here, found out that DVC sales was less then honest, canceled their contract with Disney and gone for a resale.
Also, at least if you own at VWL, you could make reservations there at the 11 month mark and then attempt to change them at the 7 month mark, this way, you are at least assured a room on WDW property.
If you bought VB with the desire to stay at BWV, you were duped by DVC sales staff....especially is you ever dreamed of a standard view or have limited flexibility in your vacation times.
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs", Karl Marx, pretty sick, huh?
We have had several people that were pushed into buying VB when that wasn't where they wanted to stay, they have some here, found out that DVC sales was less then honest, canceled their contract with Disney and gone for a resale.
Also, at least if you own at VWL, you could make reservations there at the 11 month mark and then attempt to change them at the 7 month mark, this way, you are at least assured a room on WDW property.
If you bought VB with the desire to stay at BWV, you were duped by DVC sales staff....especially is you ever dreamed of a standard view or have limited flexibility in your vacation times.
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs", Karl Marx, pretty sick, huh?
Let me rephrase this:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> If you bought VB with the desire to stay at BWV, you were duped by DVC sales staff....especially is you ever dreamed of a standard view or have limited flexibility in your vacation times.
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If you bought VB with the desire to stay at BWV or any WDW DVC resort MOST OF THE TIME, you were duped by DVC sales staff....especially is you ever dreamed of a standard view or have limited flexibility in your vacation times.
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs", Karl Marx, pretty sick, huh?
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> If you bought VB with the desire to stay at BWV, you were duped by DVC sales staff....especially is you ever dreamed of a standard view or have limited flexibility in your vacation times.
[/quote]
If you bought VB with the desire to stay at BWV or any WDW DVC resort MOST OF THE TIME, you were duped by DVC sales staff....especially is you ever dreamed of a standard view or have limited flexibility in your vacation times.
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs", Karl Marx, pretty sick, huh?
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Rich is correct, it is unreasonable to buy at VB with the main goal of staying at WDW. I couldn't tell from the original post if this was the case or not. Now if you love VB and wanted to stay there much of the time and occasionally visit WDW, you might be ok. That's especially true if you are somewhat flexible as to resort destination and time of year. Otherwise I'd reconsider my choices.
Dean
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Welcome Home Garrett! I think you'll love Vero. You are also correct that your chances for staying at OKW or BWV with a VWL purchase would be the same as for your Vero points. Many people have been successful in using their points to stay at all of the different DVC resorts. It is good that people caution others that if your intent is to stay at a certain resort than sometimes it is best to purchase there. That said, many people are quite successful with a little patience in getting what they want where they want for most every trip.
Pam, while people have reported that, I don't believe it. Obviously, luck happens and you will be able to get something sometimes, but that is not the rule.
Look at the threads about how important the 11 month window has been getting at BWV.
Think about a Grand Villa anywhere.
Think about the peace of mind with the 11 month window on WDW property.
Then think about the reasonableness of planning most of your vacations to be at WDW and buying at VB to use the MB....
I liked that survery answer "tar and feather DVC sales that tell people to buy at VB, the 11 month priority doesn't matter..."
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs", Karl Marx, pretty sick, huh?
Look at the threads about how important the 11 month window has been getting at BWV.
Think about a Grand Villa anywhere.
Think about the peace of mind with the 11 month window on WDW property.
Then think about the reasonableness of planning most of your vacations to be at WDW and buying at VB to use the MB....
I liked that survery answer "tar and feather DVC sales that tell people to buy at VB, the 11 month priority doesn't matter..."
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs", Karl Marx, pretty sick, huh?
Yes, but then we see posts from people who plan their vacations much closer to the date when it doesn't really matter where they own points. I agree that if you have to have a GV or you have to go a certain specific week you have to be able to book at 11 months. But, I still think if you are flexible in which of the 3 WDW resorts you'll stay at and can wait things out most of the time you'll be successful. On any given day that you call you may not get your exact reservation. But, if you wait a week or two things may shake out and you'll get your reservation. This isn't true of peak weeks but seems to work out a majority of the time. This purchaser appears to be from FL. They may have a lot of flexibility for their WDW vacations. Vero is more difficult to book if you don't own there.
I was just wondering, Richyams, what your thoughts are on the BCV. Do you think when these become available that BWV will be alot easier to book at? Is the "lure" of BWV because of the actual resort or because of its location?
Actually, I think the oppisite will be true.
VWL give you less value per point spent there, while this has been discussed before and everyone seems to generally agree, in a nutshell, VWL points per night is the same as BWV prefered view per night. The reason BWV with its smaller units is generally considered to be owrth the extra points over OKW is because of the location. VWL has the same small units and since they have NO STANDARD view units, the average points per night is actually slightly higher at VWL then BWV...for that same or high points, you get the same size unit and a location most would consider worth less then WL location.
The reason given for this decline in value per point spent there is that the construction costs were so high.
OK
Next, BCV is supposedely going to have the same small units as BWV or VWL, it is going to be in the same basic location as BWV....but in keeping with the trend, the points per night are going to have to be higher then BWV!!!! If that is the case, I would expect owners at BCV to not even stay at BCV, they might as well stay at BWV, they get the same location, the same sized unit, the same proximity to two parks AND it costs less points.
I think Disney has to do one of two things, either make the units much larger or stop lying about the cost of construction driving up the point requirements. They raised the per point cost by $5 for the opening of VWL, the should have raised it $10 and given a more reasonable point schedule. Yhis would have kept the value of a point spent at any resort roughly the same...this would eliminate the over use of points at a resort that gives more value.
We are going to have to see which way it plays out. I have heard a few times that the units will be the same units as BWV, if that is the case and the point requirements are higher, they are going to have to come up with something that will even out the value gotton for a point spent at a resort.
But Disney doesn't seem to care about retaining value for us that have already bought, they seem more and more determined to maximize their new sales with no care what it does to out value.
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs", Karl Marx, pretty sick, huh?
VWL give you less value per point spent there, while this has been discussed before and everyone seems to generally agree, in a nutshell, VWL points per night is the same as BWV prefered view per night. The reason BWV with its smaller units is generally considered to be owrth the extra points over OKW is because of the location. VWL has the same small units and since they have NO STANDARD view units, the average points per night is actually slightly higher at VWL then BWV...for that same or high points, you get the same size unit and a location most would consider worth less then WL location.
The reason given for this decline in value per point spent there is that the construction costs were so high.
OK
Next, BCV is supposedely going to have the same small units as BWV or VWL, it is going to be in the same basic location as BWV....but in keeping with the trend, the points per night are going to have to be higher then BWV!!!! If that is the case, I would expect owners at BCV to not even stay at BCV, they might as well stay at BWV, they get the same location, the same sized unit, the same proximity to two parks AND it costs less points.
I think Disney has to do one of two things, either make the units much larger or stop lying about the cost of construction driving up the point requirements. They raised the per point cost by $5 for the opening of VWL, the should have raised it $10 and given a more reasonable point schedule. Yhis would have kept the value of a point spent at any resort roughly the same...this would eliminate the over use of points at a resort that gives more value.
We are going to have to see which way it plays out. I have heard a few times that the units will be the same units as BWV, if that is the case and the point requirements are higher, they are going to have to come up with something that will even out the value gotton for a point spent at a resort.
But Disney doesn't seem to care about retaining value for us that have already bought, they seem more and more determined to maximize their new sales with no care what it does to out value.
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs", Karl Marx, pretty sick, huh?
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Welcome Home Garret! We think that Vero is the nicest resort. I wish that we had more opportunities to get down there. Rich is definitely right about BWV. We own at OKW and we always make our reservations there at 11-months and get on the waitlist for BWV (if we really want it, often we prefer OKW) at the 7-month window. Sometimes it works out and a lot of times it hasn't. If you are planning on staying at Vero most of the time or are very flexible in your dates then you made a good purchase.
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I would suspect that the newer and smaller resorts will be the most difficult to reserve for a few years. WLV then BC will be difficult especially when they sell out and for a couple of years thereafter. OKW will be the easiest resort to get for some time. It's not because it's a bad resort, I like it best, it's because it's older, you really need a car to take advantage, it's further from activities and it has many more rooms than the others (almost as many as the other 3 combined). Seasonal factors like Christmas, Easter, winter for VB and summer for HH will continue to be difficult unless you own at the resort you want. The GV will also be a problem if you don't own there.
I suspect the best time to get the new resorts is right at or soon after they open. DVC will need to declare inventory in order to sell and that will create rooms that are in the DVC officially but many of the points have not been sold. For getting reservations at WDW, the off property resort owners (HH & VB) are at a distinct disadvantage. As noted above, I as an OKW owner, can make ressies at OKW then change them (if available) to WLV, BWV or BCV at the 7 month window. If there's nothing available, I still have a room. Since I like using my car at WDW, parking in front of my unit, having more space, the laid back atmosphere and using much less points; I guess I will not suffer too much if I can't change over to one of the other resorts at the 7 month window.
Dean
I suspect the best time to get the new resorts is right at or soon after they open. DVC will need to declare inventory in order to sell and that will create rooms that are in the DVC officially but many of the points have not been sold. For getting reservations at WDW, the off property resort owners (HH & VB) are at a distinct disadvantage. As noted above, I as an OKW owner, can make ressies at OKW then change them (if available) to WLV, BWV or BCV at the 7 month window. If there's nothing available, I still have a room. Since I like using my car at WDW, parking in front of my unit, having more space, the laid back atmosphere and using much less points; I guess I will not suffer too much if I can't change over to one of the other resorts at the 7 month window.
Dean
Thanks for all of the information. We bought VB for the following reasons: We do plan to spend most of our time at WDW and we are Florida residents. We are flexible with the times that we can go. One thing that appealed to us at VB is that we can use the 11 month window and go in the summertime when our passes our blacked out. You have given food for thought about this though.
As a matter of fact, since DVC sales has been trying to pawn off Vero on anyone who would listen, its easy to get into Vero at anytime.
WDW resorts, especially BWV, are the main reason for the 11 month window. Planning to vacation mainly at WDW and buying at VERO is going to leave you dissappointed often. You will be settling or going without often. I believe that BWV will only get more difficult as time goes on.
THere are several resale companies, many, many people here have bought resales. BWV is very available through resale, as is OKW.
One thing, did they use this line on you, "SInce most reservations are made six months out, the eleven month window isn't even a concern.", we have heard that one reported several times, it is a lie.
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs", Karl Marx, pretty sick, huh?
WDW resorts, especially BWV, are the main reason for the 11 month window. Planning to vacation mainly at WDW and buying at VERO is going to leave you dissappointed often. You will be settling or going without often. I believe that BWV will only get more difficult as time goes on.
THere are several resale companies, many, many people here have bought resales. BWV is very available through resale, as is OKW.
One thing, did they use this line on you, "SInce most reservations are made six months out, the eleven month window isn't even a concern.", we have heard that one reported several times, it is a lie.
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs", Karl Marx, pretty sick, huh?
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