WDW Understaffed?

DS is CP at EPCOT right now- working 14 hour days- 60 hour week! So maybe not understaffed, but definitely CMs working a LOT!!
It's been presented to me that Spring is particular hard for them to staff as they find it difficult to hire. They can't get their summer help yet, they are still in school. Now, they'd likely get around that if they'd pay a bit more, so it is probably a problem of their own making, to some degree. But the folks will come to work in summer and again at winter break (when everyone has one at the same time).
But Spring breaks are not all at one time, they are so spread out it just doesn't work the same, hence the problems are for a myriad of reasons
 
It's been presented to me that Spring is particular hard for them to staff as they find it difficult to hire. They can't get their summer help yet, they are still in school. Now, they'd likely get around that if they'd pay a bit more, so it is probably a problem of their own making, to some degree. But the folks will come to work in summer and again at winter break (when everyone has one at the same time).
But Spring breaks are not all at one time, they are so spread out it just doesn't work the same, hence the problems are for a myriad of reasons

Yes-I figure that the CPs are cheaper labor and no benefits.
 

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I know all parks create "false" lines...keeping cars back to create a "full" ride feeling....no sense putting wear and tear on devices if it isn't necessary...Disney may have taken this to an extreme...idk.
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This was mentioned by Pete a few weeks back on the Dis podcast - IIRC he was referencing a long'ish line at one of the Flower and Garden food booths as a way that Disney creates "fake demand" or makes it look like things are popular and bustling, but really all they are doing is cutting back staff and reducing service.

This is a "problem" (or boon depending if you're the consumer or business owner) of many new technologies and data science. Many large companies (I'm sure Disney included) now have have teams of data analysts doing nothing but going over customer data - in Disney's case probably stuff like wait times, average rides ridden, average food items consumed, $ per customer, and on and on. Anything that can break down the guest/company interaction into a "transaction" or statistic.

The goal then becomes rationalization of those statistics. It's no longer something intangible like make the guests "happy" but rather - "if we spend $10/guest on customer service we can make 95% of them happy but if we cut that back to $5/guest we still make 85% happy." Corporate execs LOVE this stuff and eat it up.
 
As a general rule, MOST of the attractions at WDW are understaffed year round. Food, merchandise, custodial-- CMs who work in those lines of business can be pulled to work at a different location if a specific store or restaurant needs extra help, but with attractions, you're trained at one location with very specific tasks. I worked at two popular Fantasyland attractions Fall 2016 and it was a staffing nightmare.
 

I'm sure you can speak far better to this than any of us, but from a family friend CM we have, we're told the parks themselves are not understaffed. The existing staff may work a lot of hours, but there are enough people in the parks. Is that what you see, or do you think they need more?

I can only speak for my area, which is generally not understaffed except when we get a lot of people who leave at once for transfers, retirement, etc. It does take a long time to replace a mass exodus of people because my role is training-intensive.

I know they're chronically understaffed in housekeeping, lifeguards, and bus drivers only because they've always got job postings up and are often offering bonuses for those roles. Security would be another role I always see postings for.
 
We have a different theory about the reports of understaffing. Years ago when there were still "dead times" to visit WDW we used to walk around commenting that we didn't understand how Disney could afford to employ so many people who appeared to just be standing around waiting for someone to get in line for a ride or purchase something from one of the carts - and this was even noting that many of the carts and kiosks that are open during the busier times of year were closed. Those were the days of being able to walk right on just about every single ride at WDW and have no wait at all to order food at a QS location. We actually think, from a business perspective, that WDW was way overstaffed during those times. I think that many complaints about staffing issues and wait times have to do with people who primarily visited WDW during those dead times of the year. To us it seems like Disney simply corrected their overstaffing issue. Yes, if you were used to no or very low wait times it is a serious bummer. Financially, it makes the most sense for Disney to staff so that wait times throughout the year are about the same (understanding that during extremely busy holiday, spring break times, etc even maxing out staffing will likely still not be able to handle the massive crowds).

Having recently had week long vacations in June, July, October, and January we can easily say that the waits and crowds we experienced seemed, on average, to have been almost exactly the same during each visit (with slightly lower crowds and lines during June and July).

Couple this with the ability to easily and immediately access information about planning a WDW trip on-line now compared to several years ago. Back when there were very "dead times" during the year, MOST people who planned a WDW trip either depended on a travel agent or simply called WDW. The very savvy might have ordered the vacation planning information from WDW or purchased a book about WDW but until the Unofficial Guide most were published by Disney. For the most part though, aside from a travel agent telling people that the parks will be more crowded in the summer, there was really now way to get information on the "best" time of year to visit. Now, the average person wanting to visit WDW is MUCH more likely to find a website that explains the "busy" and "slow" times at WDW when they do a basic google search looking for info on a WDW vacation. The average person is therefore much more likely to know that they should go during the historically low times - which, of course, results in MANY more people visiting when it is "supposed" to be slow.

Then you have the advances in technology from the WDW side. They now have computer models based upon the ability to track guest data that helps them determine their actual staffing needs in advance and with real time data. If an average wait time for ride x is 45 minutes but it has been averaging a 5 or 10 minute wait, they can see that immediately and make adjustments.

So I don't think it is just staffing that is causing crowd and wait "issues." It seems to me that everything WDW has been doing is being done to keep the crowds and wait times the same throughout the whole year. I just don't understand complaining about crowds and lines because it was "supposed" to be a low crowd time to visit or because "everyone said it wouldn't be crowded in January." It's not like there was a law was broken because the crowds were heavier than someone thought they would be. So many people seem to think they are "owed" something because it is crowded and they had longer waits than they expected. It's a theme park, the understanding going into your vacation should be that you WILL have to deal with crowds and lines. And if people choose to no longer visit WDW because they don't like the crowds WDW simply doesn't care, they don't have to. There are plenty of people who are perfectly happy to go to WDW year after year in spite of crowds and wait times.
 
DS is CP at EPCOT right now- working 14 hour days- 60 hour week! So maybe not understaffed, but definitely CMs working a LOT!!

are they salaried employees? Hourly?

I remember the story of Walt Disney touring DL and seeing a less-than-wonderful CM handling the lines/boarding(?) at one of the irides...he asked that she be moved to a position where she would be happier. THAT may be apocryphal, but it DOES go to attention to detail management. I've personally seen other examples of management leading but not-so-subtle example years ago but.....not lately.

We (my fam) run a business. We ahve to balance making money with making people happy....happy comes first. the money will follow.
 
We have a different theory about the reports of understaffing. Years ago when there were still "dead times" to visit WDW we used to walk around commenting that we didn't understand how Disney could afford to employ so many people who appeared to just be standing around waiting for someone to get in line for a ride or purchase something from one of the carts - and this was even noting that many of the carts and kiosks that are open during the busier times of year were closed. Those were the days of being able to walk right on just about every single ride at WDW and have no wait at all to order food at a QS location. We actually think, from a business perspective, that WDW was way overstaffed during those times. I think that many complaints about staffing issues and wait times have to do with people who primarily visited WDW during those dead times of the year. To us it seems like Disney simply corrected their overstaffing issue. Yes, if you were used to no or very low wait times it is a serious bummer. Financially, it makes the most sense for Disney to staff so that wait times throughout the year are about the same (understanding that during extremely busy holiday, spring break times, etc even maxing out staffing will likely still not be able to handle the massive crowds).

Having recently had week long vacations in June, July, October, and January we can easily say that the waits and crowds we experienced seemed, on average, to have been almost exactly the same during each visit (with slightly lower crowds and lines during June and July).

Couple this with the ability to easily and immediately access information about planning a WDW trip on-line now compared to several years ago. Back when there were very "dead times" during the year, MOST people who planned a WDW trip either depended on a travel agent or simply called WDW. The very savvy might have ordered the vacation planning information from WDW or purchased a book about WDW but until the Unofficial Guide most were published by Disney. For the most part though, aside from a travel agent telling people that the parks will be more crowded in the summer, there was really now way to get information on the "best" time of year to visit. Now, the average person wanting to visit WDW is MUCH more likely to find a website that explains the "busy" and "slow" times at WDW when they do a basic google search looking for info on a WDW vacation. The average person is therefore much more likely to know that they should go during the historically low times - which, of course, results in MANY more people visiting when it is "supposed" to be slow.

Then you have the advances in technology from the WDW side. They now have computer models based upon the ability to track guest data that helps them determine their actual staffing needs in advance and with real time data. If an average wait time for ride x is 45 minutes but it has been averaging a 5 or 10 minute wait, they can see that immediately and make adjustments.

So I don't think it is just staffing that is causing crowd and wait "issues." It seems to me that everything WDW has been doing is being done to keep the crowds and wait times the same throughout the whole year. I just don't understand complaining about crowds and lines because it was "supposed" to be a low crowd time to visit or because "everyone said it wouldn't be crowded in January." It's not like there was a law was broken because the crowds were heavier than someone thought they would be. So many people seem to think they are "owed" something because it is crowded and they had longer waits than they expected. It's a theme park, the understanding going into your vacation should be that you WILL have to deal with crowds and lines. And if people choose to no longer visit WDW because they don't like the crowds WDW simply doesn't care, they don't have to. There are plenty of people who are perfectly happy to go to WDW year after year in spite of crowds and wait times.



Very well said.
 
The average person is therefore much more likely to know that they should go during the historically low times - which, of course, results in MANY more people visiting when it is "supposed" to be slow.

sooooo, wouldn't that thin the "historically busy" times?

I feel the "problem" is that people have lotsa $$$ and will spend anything to try to make the kinder happy (or themselves)....
 
sooooo, wouldn't that thin the "historically busy" times?

I feel the "problem" is that people have lotsa $$$ and will spend anything to try to make the kinder happy (or themselves)....
I think it's likely both and that's what making the first part less noticeable.
Summer is not quite as busy as it once was.
Plus, things are better with the economy. So people are spending more on vacations. So you have some folks who are going in the others times of the year, instead of summer and then you have some who wouldn't have ordinarily have gone at all, going in the summer taking their place.
 
sooooo, wouldn't that thin the "historically busy" times?

I feel the "problem" is that people have lotsa $$$ and will spend anything to try to make the kinder happy (or themselves)....

I think we’re seeing that summer is slower than it used to be. Might not be the case this year with TSL opening, but I think that’s been the trend the last few years.
 
sooooo, wouldn't that thin the "historically busy" times?

Absolutely! And we have found exactly that - summer is MUCH less crowded than it used to be. As I said, holidays and spring break always see an enormous amount of people coming and that will not change, regardless of staffing, because some people will always decide to visit for spring break and/or holidays.
 

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