WDW removes brochures accross FL; hotels and tourism execs. furious

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Disney takes back brochures
Decision angers hoteliers and tourism executives around state

Etan Horowitz | Sentinel Staff Writer
Posted January 10, 2007

Hotel lobby racks filled with tourist brochures advertising whales, gators and horses are now missing one very significant critter: the Mouse.

Walt Disney World has pulled its colorful brochures from thousands of hotels, motels, restaurants and businesses throughout the state, maintaining they do little to attract visitors staying at other Florida tourist destinations.

Disney officials call it a business decision, but the move has angered some hoteliers and tourism executives. They say their guests have been inconvenienced by the absence of information about Florida's most popular attraction.

"Shock; that was my initial reaction," said Bob Davis, president and chief executive officer of the Hotel Motel Association of Volusia County, which represents more than 100 hotels. "I am questioning why they would not want 8 million visitors who come to Daytona Beach and Volusia County every year. I think they made a poor decision."

"We made a business decision," said Bill Warren, Disney's vice president of public affairs. "Our research indicated that the brochures that were in the hotels were not the reason for people to come to Disney. We are always evaluating the effectiveness of our marketing, and if something is not effective, it doesn't necessarily make sense to keep investing in it."

Steve Baker, an Orlando theme-park consultant and former Disney executive, said the move is in line with the company's increased emphasis on getting visitors to stay at Disney-owned hotels and spend several days visiting all of the company's theme parks.

"A hotel guest is a much more lucrative guest than a day guest," Baker said.

Disney ordered distributors to remove the brochures by Sept. 30, 2006, and destroy all of the remaining ones to ensure they would not become outdated.

Brochures remain in the Orlando and Kissimmee areas and at a few tourist information centers throughout the state.

Warren would not say how much the company spent on the brochures.

Even with all the information available on the Internet and through devices such as cell phones, PDAs and BlackBerrys, tourism officials say low-tech brochures remain a staple of vacations. They're easy to produce, they can be distributed easily, and they're packed with essential information such as hours and directions. They also save time for busy hotel employees.

Davis of the Volusia hotel association was so upset at losing the brochures that he wrote a letter to Walt Disney World President Meg Crofton, telling her that he was appalled at the decision and asking her to reverse it. He received a call and a letter from Ed Fouche, a Disney senior vice president.

"While we value all guests regardless of where they are lodged," Fouche wrote, "we've elected to distribute our brochures throughout the state at venues such as AAA offices, Florida Turnpike Service Plazas and Florida Welcome Centers to accommodate those who need information while they are en route to Florida or traveling within the state."

Davis is still not satisfied and plans to write Bob Iger, president and chief executive officer of Walt Disney Co.

"The problem is the hotels are absolutely furious that they can't have Disney brochures," said Terry McDonough, whose company, Brochure Displays Inc. in Port Orange, distributed Disney information to hotels for 34 years. "I have never heard of anything like this. I can't fathom a reason, and I don't even know how to explain it to people."

The fallout from Disney's move is not limited to Daytona Beach.

Susan Teller, the front-office manager at a Sleep Inn hotel in Clearwater, said that every week guests ask for Disney brochures.

"Now that there is no brochure, people are kind of like, 'Could you look this up for me; could you look that up for me?' " Teller said. "As much as I want to help people, it's kind of hard when I have five people standing in front of me waiting to pull this information up on the computer. And the computer is slow. They get frustrated and say, 'We'll just go to Busch Gardens instead.' I've had that happen to me twice."

Drake Decker, owner of Florida Suncoast Tourism Promotions in Largo, the company that provides brochures to Teller's hotel, said that since removing the Disney brochures from about 1,800 to 2,000 locations on Florida's west coast, his employees have gotten a lot of complaints and questions.

"As soon as we pulled them from the racks, we had a deluge of calls and questions," he said. "There has been quite a bit of dissatisfaction about not having the materials."

Rhonda Murphy, a spokeswoman for Universal Orlando, said her company has no plans to scale back its brochure distribution.

"We think brochures are a great way for Florida residents and day-trippers to learn more about our parks," Murphy said.

Baker, the theme-park consultant, said although brochures are especially important for smaller attractions such as Gatorland, Arabian Nights and water parks -- they are not essential to Disney.

"Everybody knows Disney," Baker said. "It's not like a tertiary attraction that has to let people know it is open."

Warren said Disney is not taking any visitors -- including one-day visitors -- for granted.

But Davis remembers an era before Disney had very many hotels, when day guests from places such as Daytona Beach were vital.

"When they first opened up, we had 36 Greyhound buses going back and forth to Disney from State Road A1A," said Davis, who has been part of Daytona Beach's tourism industry since 1966. "When they had [few] hotels, we supplied them with a product, and now they forgot about us."

Etan Horowitz can be reached at ehorowitz@orlandosentinel.com or 386-851-7915.
 
Yawn.:snooty:
Must be a slow news day when we get a story about how Disney has decided not to put their brocures in hotel lobbys.
 
Yawn.:snooty:
Must be a slow news day when we get a story about how Disney has decided not to put their brocures in hotel lobbys.

Actually, tourism is the #1 industry in central FL, and WDW's decision to essentially write off the "day-trippers" from Daytona and Tampa is fairly big news in that regard. A lot of Daytona tourists still make a one-day trip over, especially during special events.

Also, this shows the nickle-and-dime mentality running the parks these days, as well as the continuing shift toward favoring on-site guests over off-site (another theme that pops up on this board from time to time).
 
I don't think it's a bad idea. I really doubt the number of people who visit Tampa are reminded about Disney because of a brochure in the Comfort Inn lobby. However, I do see an inconvenience for those day trippers who want the park maps to digest so they can have a plan of attack for the next day.

I'm curious how much money it's actually saving.
 

Let's face it, if you go to Florida and do not know Disney World is there, then you have been living under a rock. I know when I drive from NJ amd I stay over night in South Carolina, I pick up one of these brochures because I like to look through them in the hotel room. It gets me pumped knowing I am a few short hours away from WDW.
 
"Fairly big news" that's months old? Story says the hotels were told to pull the brochures by September 30, 2006 (so they were apparently told prior to that date).
 
This may not be big news but Jason is absolutely right in that this shows the "nickle and dime mentality" that is running Disney right now. It's a sad time when every last penny of an expenditure will have to have a quantitative dollar figure attached to it, not to mention the total disregard for the concept of being a 'good neighbor' ... I guess that only goes one way for Disney right now ...

I wonder if Iger has thought of bringing back the A-E ticket system, that way they could charge for every ride which would be better than letting everyone ride for 'free'.:rolleyes:
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You know, from an ecological point of view, I love it! And as far as a nickel and dime mentality? I'd much rather they put that nickel and dime into some wonderful attraction. Business is about priorities, and if they did the research, why should they continue to spend the cash?

That said, I believe the hotels are "furious" because they now have to print they're own brochure telling their guests they're proximity to Disney!

It's all about nickels and dimes, it's just who's going to spend them.

:)
 
From the beginning Disney knew they would be the 17,000 pound gorillia in Florida tourism. They have tried (and not always with success) to be a “good neighbor” to both Florida and the rest of the industry.

But now Disney’s attempt to capture as much money as possible is causing serious damage. The free airport busses ruined a lot business, locking guests on property is hurting even more.

Yes – you might chortle and prance with glee that Disney is squashing the little guy – but one vote by the Florida legislature to rescind the Reedy Creek laws and WDW collapses and the fifty grand you sunk into your DVC is worth less than a postage stamp (and your “maintenance” fees will cost more than your mortgage does).

Be care who you cheer for. There are a lot more “others” than there are “Disney”.
 
I'm with Robin - it's all about who is going to spend the money to keep the hotel guests happy. Disney made a decision they believe makes sense for them. If having the info available makes sense for the hotel's bottom line or guest satisfaction, then they're perfectly capable of typing up a simple list of prices, perhaps include driving directions if that's an issue, and voila, problem solved. I see hotels doing that all the time for local destinations they get asked about a lot and really don't see what the big deal is. It might have been a convenience for the hotels, but it isn't really Disney's obligation to spend money that it doesn't make sense to spend in order to keep Sleep Inn guests and staff happy........
 
I'm missing the big news in this. Did any tourists look at the brochures and say:

"Gee, I never heard of this Walt Disney World. Maybe we should go there."

In the pre-Internet days, maybe the brochures made sense. But in today's day and age, if money saved there can go somewhere else, why not? What is the harm in this?

Or am I just a Disney apologist?
 
Yes – you might chortle and prance with glee that Disney is squashing the little guy – but one vote by the Florida legislature to rescind the Reedy Creek laws and WDW collapses and the fifty grand you sunk into your DVC is worth less than a postage stamp (and your “maintenance” fees will cost more than your mortgage does).
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:cutie: First of all, I don't chortle...I may dance with glee, but it's never over someone being squashed.

I don't see the hotel industry as a little guy in this case...and like I said, environmentally this makes sense to me (I'm sure that wasn't the main selling point to the big guys, but I find the good stuff where I can) And in this case, especially the receptionist being upset for having to look up numbers, in the time it takes to play a game of solitare you can have all the numbers copied and pasted to a word document, printed and posted in the lobby. Then all she has to say is "They're posted right over there".

As Pezpam pointed out, they do it all the time, I think this time it's just more of an inconvience, because they think they are owed. Disney has been the gravy in their boat for a long time too.

I'm sure Disney hasn't done what is best in all (or even many) cases, but any business will stop spending money when it's proven to be a waste. The stockholders shouldn't want it any other way.
 
Thousands of color brouchures: I'm sure that they cost a pretty penny to produce. Did they convince ANYONE to go to Disney that hadn't planned otherwise? Doubtful, definitely not enough to justify the cost. Did I enjoy them? Yes. I always pick them up, but I'm already going to the parks.

Now, here's a thought. If they cost WDW money, but are such a great idea that many of you think they need to be continued, and they are such a MAJOR help/necessity to the hotels, why don't they contact Disney and offer to pay production costs? It's only nickel and dime.

Why should they pay to promote Disney? Disney has already determined that it is an asset drain: costs more to produce than it brings in. It doesn't add anything to THE SHOW, except in some of your minds. But according to the hotels, 1) It frees up their employees and 2) It's a guest service. Aren't they in the guest service industry? The people aren't Disney guests. They may visit the parks, but WDW isn't putting them up for the night and probably not feeding them three times a day.
 
There's the reality, then there's the perception.

The brouchures don't advertise WDW - they advirtise that the motel is close to attractions that people want to go to. There are a lot of people that go to Florida for reasons other than seeing a rubber headed mouse, and having WDW as a "close" side-trip can help sway someone's decision about where they are going to stay.

Most people pick their hotel based on location - having a rack stuffed with brochures in your lobby makes it seem like there is a lot to do in the area. And certainly Disney produces a much more exciting and colorful brochure than the local mom 'n pop motel can pull off.

Again - the deal that Disney used to work under is that Florida would grant them MASSIVE tax and expense breaks inexchange that WDW would help to promote the entire Florida tourist industry. Did you know that WDW keeps a huge portion of the sales tax they charge on property? That's free, additional profit straight to Disney, profit that everyone else in the state has to kick back to the state and the county.

What would happen to WDW if the state decided that Disney isn't playing nice anymore. What would happen is Disney had to play by the same rules that everyone else has too?

Call if wink'n nod politics if you want, but the relationship between WDW and everyone else in Florida is very strange and very fragile. Brouchures might not seem like a lot to you - but a lot more voters depend on motels, road side restaurants and t-shirt shops than relay on WDW.

If the move to get "Disney to pay thier fair share" gets going it's going to pop your bubble.
 
Thousands of color brouchures: I'm sure that they cost a pretty penny to produce. Did they convince ANYONE to go to Disney that hadn't planned otherwise? Doubtful, definitely not enough to justify the cost. Did I enjoy them? Yes. I always pick them up, but I'm already going to the parks.

As one who picks up the brochures solely for scrapbooking purposes, I can understand the decision Disney made. Those are advertising dollars that (more than likely) are not changing people's minds about going. They are becoming souvineers or they are being used by people who had already planned to go to the park. I'll miss them, but I understand why they're going away.
 
AV you never cease to enlighten some dark little part of my brain!

Excellent point!
 
I don't care to criticize Disney's decision, just want to argue that park maps do play a role. Our DS10 is very much internet aware, but he loves looking at printed park maps, of our local park Kings Island, and also of the WDW parks. It plays a small but definite role in anticipating a trip. We always have a couple or three Kings Island maps that he leaves laying around the house.

It's not hard to imagine that a family that takes home some Disney maps may be somewhat more likely to visit, or visit sooner. It really helps with imagining being there. While Disney may have analyzed the marketing impact, it seems just as likely to me that somebody just decided they could save money without any such analysis.

Of course that doesn't mean that Disney has any obligation to provide maps to every hotel within 100 miles.
 
It's not so much shinning a light in dark places - it's just trying to explain how complex an operation a place like WDW is. It's the largest single-site employeer in the country, and it's economic impact on the surrounding community has got be to one of the greatest as well.

To me the brochures aren't important in and of themselves. But they are another little indicator of how things are changing. In the past WDW tried very hard to fit in with Orlando. It was a relationship that more or less worked for both groups.

But these days more and more decisions are being made in Burbank. The business is less "Disney World" and more "Disney Parks" driven. And the local executives, instead of building a life in Orlando because that's where their career will be, now see a job at WDW as just a stepping stone to a bigger and spiffier life in Manhatten or Southern California.

WDW is drifting away from the communities that surround it. That will lead to profound changes for everyone.
 
Hey AV, I'll bet the decision to "drift away from the communities that surround it" won't come back to haunt them. That's just the face of our economy. The auto industry is moving south where costs are lower. ALL corporations are reducing benefits. But this is a free country, you don't have to work there, you can quit and go somewhere else.

To the other person in OH talking about the maps: You can still get maps at the parks. And I'd rather bet that someone staying at a $29-$49 hotel in daytona wasn't really counting on the free brouchure to decide to go to WDW next year.:rotfl:
 


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