WDW -Disability Access Service (DAS) - ARCHIVED THREAD; no longer vslid

[stitchlovestink]

My earlier suggestion was based on the idea of no CMs being involved in issuing return times. If CMs are going to do it, then it's farily easy, IMO.

First DAS holder gets a return time,and tells how many people are riding (say 4 out of 6). Second DAS holder can then get a return time for the remaining 2 people.

With the tickets being linked to DAS, and the DASs being linked together, no matter how many DASs are involved, it's not to difficult to write the code such that a single ticket can't be "waiting" on more than one DAS at a time.

I'm kind of confused by this one, so just trying to understand...you have 6 guests, 2 with a DAS. 1 DAS rider and 4 guests want to ride Splash, but the other DAS rider doesn't, and wants to ride BTMRR instead. 3 other guests want to ride BTMRR as well. Is that right?

If so, then the second DAS rider (BTMRR) should not be permitted to get a return time that includes any guest that is on the first DAS (Splash Mountain) until the non-DAS guests have actually ridden Splash. The second DAS holder doesn't have to ride alone, but they shouldn't be able to add guests that are already on another DAS.

The key to cutting down on the abuse is making sure that no ticket that has one or more DASs associated with it should be permitted to have more than one active return time simultaneously.

I completely Disagree! You could have a TOTALLY legit set of circumstances where a family is penalized under your thought process! Say, there are two kids and each one legit needs a DAS. Each child wants to ride something different and say possibly one child CANNOT ride what the other wants for some 'given' reason. And then say Mom is the "Time Occupier" while Dad is the "Ride Companion". Under your plan, the second child would be penalized from getting a return time because Dad's ticket would be precluded from being admitted with child #2 since he would "be attached" to the first child's return time. And maybe Mom can't ride either. These are possible circumstances! Complicated? Yes! But you (general you) don't know what others are capable/not capable of doing when entering the parks. Each DAS should be entitled to ONE return time. That is how Disney has set up the system at least for the time being.

 

[Paula Sedley-Burke]

Sorry to be dense but if a guest has a DAS card issued. Can they go on a ride as a guest with another DAS card holder whilst they have an active DAS wait on another ride?

 

[delmar411]

Sorry to be dense but if a guest has a DAS card issued. Can they go on a ride as a guest with another DAS card holder whilst they have an active DAS wait on another ride?

Absolutely. The cards are setup the same ay as the old ones where it is the card holder and number in party. Not who is in the party but the number. So say you meet up with another family who also has a DAS and the kids want to ride together then they could do that up to the number on the card.

 

[stitchlovestink]

Absolutely. The cards are setup the same ay as the old ones where it is the card holder and number in party. Not who is in the party but the number. So say you meet up with another family who also has a DAS and the kids want to ride together then they could do that up to the number on the card.

So my question is......
There was nothing 'wrong' with doing this with a GAC. It was totally permittable!!
Is there some sort of rule that *you* are breaking in the agreement that *you* sign when you receive the new DAS that says one DAS holder cannot enter an attraction on another DAS holder's card? While they are waiting for a return time themselves?

 

[delmar411]

So my question is......
There was nothing 'wrong' with doing this with a GAC. It was totally permittable!!
Is there some sort of rule that *you* are breaking in the agreement that *you* sign when you receive the new DAS that says one DAS holder cannot enter an attraction on another DAS holder's card? While they are waiting for a return time themselves?

No, there is nothing listed about that at all.

 

[stitchlovestink]

No, there is nothing listed about that at all.

So then why all this discussion about multiple DAS's????
People need to worry about themselves and what they are doing. Cheaters are going to find a way to cheat the system and until Disney cares "enough" about the cheating. (i.e. putting the RFID chips in the mugs for soda refills, but NOTE....they only addressed the soda issue. They realize people can still cheat on the coffee & tea since those don't require the chip to fill your cup). So I think Disney is well aware that no system is going to be foolproof! They have already cut back drastically! And it "appears" that some people who really "possibly" should've gotten a DAS are denied or are having to really "fight" for one which is both sad & disturbing to me. JMO.
I just don't understand why so many people feel the need to be concerned with other people's DAS use??!! So a family has two...they can't loop the rides the way they used to be able to with a GAC (which I will admittedly say was not fair to others). But that issue has been eliminated. Let's move on people. You will never get rid of all cheaters, and honestly how do *you* (general you) know who they are??

 

[Paula Sedley-Burke]

Absolutely. The cards are setup the same ay as the old ones where it is the card holder and number in party. Not who is in the party but the number. So say you meet up with another family who also has a DAS and the kids want to ride together then they could do that up to the number on the card.

thank you for info. I dic not realise this.

 

[cmwade77]

So then why all this discussion about multiple DAS's????
People need to worry about themselves and what they are doing. Cheaters are going to find a way to cheat the system and until Disney cares "enough" about the cheating. (i.e. putting the RFID chips in the mugs for soda refills, but NOTE....they only addressed the soda issue. They realize people can still cheat on the coffee & tea since those don't require the chip to fill your cup). So I think Disney is well aware that no system is going to be foolproof! They have already cut back drastically! And it "appears" that some people who really "possibly" should've gotten a DAS are denied or are having to really "fight" for one which is both sad & disturbing to me. JMO.
I just don't understand why so many people feel the need to be concerned with other people's DAS use??!! So a family has two...they can't loop the rides the way they used to be able to with a GAC (which I will admittedly say was not fair to others). But that issue has been eliminated. Let's move on people. You will never get rid of all cheaters, and honestly how do *you* (general you) know who they are??

The problem is Disney does care and has been implementing restrictions that have made getting multiple DAS cards in one family difficult, at best, even though there are legitimate needs for them. Some of the policies are also making it hard to get a DAS for your entire party, unless EVERYONE is present and that isn't always possible either. For example the last time we went to WDW, we started off the trip with two people and ended up with 6. Since by all accounts these restrictions ate due to the multiple DAS issue, it is natural that people would speculate on a solution, so that these restrictions might be able to be lifted.

 

[stitchlovestink]

The problem is Disney does care and has been implementing restrictions that have made getting multiple DAS cards in one family difficult, at best, even though there are legitimate needs for them. Some of the policies are also making it hard to get a DAS for your entire party, unless EVERYONE is present and that isn't always possible either. For example the last time we went to WDW, we started off the trip with two people and ended up with 6. Since by all accounts these restrictions ate due to the multiple DAS issue, it is natural that people would speculate on a solution, so that these restrictions might be able to be lifted.

Well according to Sue's post, the only time everyone needs to be present is when a lead makes an 'exception' to rule of more than 6 on the DAS. In order to get a number on your DAS greater than 6, ALL parties must be present. If your party is 6 or less then you all need not be there together to get your DAS issued.

But it seems like more of the "discussion" is about people having two DAS cards with 'active' times simultaneously and people thinking that is not 'acceptable/fair'. If it's not in the DAS rules *you* sign then IMO it is a matter of opinion as to whether it is acceptable/fair. It isn't breaking any "rules" Disney has set forth otherwise I think they would have addressed it in the "contract thingy" they have *you* sign stating *you* understand and agree to the terms of usage, right??

 

[delmar411]

The problem is Disney does care and has been implementing restrictions that have made getting multiple DAS cards in one family difficult, at best, even though there are legitimate needs for them. Some of the policies are also making it hard to get a DAS for your entire party, unless EVERYONE is present and that isn't always possible either. For example the last time we went to WDW, we started off the trip with two people and ended up with 6. Since by all accounts these restrictions ate due to the multiple DAS issue, it is natural that people would speculate on a solution, so that these restrictions might be able to be lifted.

Well you only need your entire party if it is greater than 6 which is an improvement over the old one which was pretty much capped at 6 unless there were special circumstances. We have a DAS for 6 but for the most part it is just me and the 3 little kids. But sometimes my teen graces us with her presence and even rarer DH is with us. So I don't want to have to wait at GR just to change our number and they were fine with us having 6 even though it may just be 4 of us or even down to 2 at times.

 

[Mickey Fliers]

This doesn't work either. You have a party of six. 4 want to ride one attraction and 2 want to ride the other. Or what about if one of the people with the DAS doesn't want to ride one particular attraction, but all 5 of the others do. They would get a return time for another attraction, but why should they have to ride alone? Now, add in Disneyland into the mix and that person that would normally be alone may very well run into some other friends on their way to the attraction and want them to come along so that they aren't alone.

Like I said, I don't know of any good answer to the issue, but I do so problems with any potential solution that I can think of.

For example, I though of what if they could put two pictures on one DAS and either person on it could use it. But then what about the parties that want to split up for a portion of the time?

Although, I could see a potential fix for this. If they did want to split up briefly for say one or two attractions, they could tell the attraction host at one of them and be given a return time card for the other attraction based on the current wait time. This of course would require an iPad or something similar at every attraction though. Or perhaps issue a time limited DAS for the other person.

But that could get very complicated and we have already seen the mess that they have made of the current system, so many holdes could be poked into this as well.

Like I said, no real answers, just lots of problems with any of the ideas.

Um, not to be a total debby downer, but why is this Disney's problem? If rider wants to experience attraction A and is in need of special accommodations, then they are provided with alternate wait area, etc. Disney does not to do accommodate all the members of Riders' party with special accommodations.

I travel to Wdw with my friend who has a child with Downs. The accommodations that Disney provides are for that child, no one else. If he wants to ride Splash with the DAS and the other kids want BTMRR, then they wait in line or get a FP. How is this now easy to understand?

 

[delmar411]

Well according to Sue's post, the only time everyone needs to be present is when a lead makes an 'exception' to rule of more than 6 on the DAS. In order to get a number on your DAS greater than 6, ALL parties must be present. If your party is 6 or less then you all need not be there together to get your DAS issued.

But it seems like more of the "discussion" is about people having two DAS cards with 'active' times simultaneously and people thinking that is not 'acceptable/fair'. If it's not in the DAS rules *you* sign then IMO it is a matter of opinion as to whether it is acceptable/fair. It isn't breaking any "rules" Disney has set forth otherwise I think they would have addressed it in the "contract thingy" they have *you* sign stating *you* understand and agree to the terms of usage, right??

This is what the card says:

The disability access service is designed for guests who are unable to tolerate extended waits due to disability. This service allows guest to schedule a return time that is comparable to the current queue wait for the given attraction. This service does not provide immediate access or priority attraction access.

Terms and Conditions:
Your scheduled return time does not provide immediate access upon your return.

You may not have more than one active attraction return time at a time.

Disney fast pass service is a separate service and may be used in conjunction with this service.

Park and attraction hours are subject to change without notice.

Not valid for admission to any theme park, experience or facility.

All guests must meet boarding requirements.when utilizing this service, it is possible to experience waits greater than the posted wait time.

By signing this card, you acknowledge that the recipient of this card has a disability requiring the service of this program and accepts the terms and conditions of this card.

At the very bottom it says: This service is revocable, non-transferable, not for commercial use, void if altered and subject to change without notice.


The card says nothing about holding multiple cards or having an active wait time on each card at the same time.

 

[disney david]

So then why all this discussion about multiple DAS's????
People need to worry about themselves and what they are doing. Cheaters are going to find a way to cheat the system and until Disney cares "enough" about the cheating. (i.e. putting the RFID chips in the mugs for soda refills, but NOTE....they only addressed the soda issue. They realize people can still cheat on the coffee & tea since those don't require the chip to fill your cup). So I think Disney is well aware that no system is going to be foolproof! They have already cut back drastically! And it "appears" that some people who really "possibly" should've gotten a DAS are denied or are having to really "fight" for one which is both sad & disturbing to me. JMO.
I just don't understand why so many people feel the need to be concerned with other people's DAS use??!! So a family has two...they can't loop the rides the way they used to be able to with a GAC (which I will admittedly say was not fair to others). But that issue has been eliminated. Let's move on people. You will never get rid of all cheaters, and honestly how do *you* (general you) know who they are??

Your right give Disney some time they will be using RFID for das and Soon they will have to put chips in the coffee cups because your also right they will find a way to cheat that system to.

I think Disney dose care I just think it more of they hope people can be honest and that they don't want to have to put a RFID chip in everything. Soon they will have to come up with a RFID band they can help with height requirements because parents keep finding ways to cheat that to. It sad it comes down to people cheating one system so Disney has to make changes to another system.

What happened to just being happy be in Disney why do people have to find ways to cheat and abuse systems that affects people who really need it.

 

[cmwade77]

Well you only need your entire party if it is greater than 6 which is an improvement over the old one which was pretty much capped at 6 unless there were special circumstances. We have a DAS for 6 but for the most part it is just me and the 3 little kids. But sometimes my teen graces us with her presence and even rarer DH is with us. So I don't want to have to wait at GR just to change our number and they were fine with us having 6 even though it may just be 4 of us or even down to 2 at times.

As of yesterday when a friend when to get one at WDW, your entire party must be present if you have more than 4 people in the party.

DLR has been requiring everyone to be present, no matter the party size for about a week now.

 

[stitchlovestink]

Your right give Disney some time they will be using RFID for das and Soon they will have to put chips in the coffee cups because your also right they will find a way to cheat that system to.

I think Disney dose care I just think it more of they hope people can be honest and that they don't want to have to put a RFID chip in everything. Soon they will have to come up with a RFID band they can help with height requirements because parents keep finding ways to cheat that to. It sad it comes down to people cheating one system so Disney has to make changes to another system.

What happened to just being happy be in Disney why do people have to find ways to cheat and abuse systems that affects people who really need it.

Well...LOL...If they "hoped" people would be honest regarding the mugs, they wouldn't have bothered with the RFID chips at all!! But IMO, I think they figured they would cut out their biggest % of cheaters by putting the RFID in the soda machines and figuring if people cheated on the coffe/tea it was a MUCH smaller % and they would just "suck that up" to running a business. Well IMO, I think while they will continue to tweak this system, they realize that there is NO way to make a system 100% foolproof from cheaters without requiring some type of medical documentation. And then the problem there is they cannot require proof unless they are providing "BETTER not equal access" and we all know that is not going to happen!!!

 

[cmwade77]

Well...LOL...If they "hoped" people would be honest regarding the mugs, they wouldn't have bothered with the RFID chips at all!! But IMO, I think they figured they would cut out their biggest % of cheaters by putting the RFID in the soda machines and figuring if people cheated on the coffe/tea is was a MUCH smaller % and they would just "suck that up" to running a business. Well IMO, I think while they will continue to tweak this system, they realize that there is NO way to make a system 100% foolproof from cheaters without requiring some type of medical documentation. And then the problem there is they cannot require proof unless they are providing "BETTER not equal access" and we all know that is not going to happen!!!

But even if they provide "better" access with documentation, they ate still required to provide equal accommodation without documentation. And we can all see how hard that is to accomplish.

 

[stitchlovestink]

But even if they provide "better" access with documentation, they ate still required to provide equal accommodation without documentation.

True!!
And Very Good Point!

 

[disney david]

Well...LOL...If they "hoped" people would be honest regarding the mugs, they wouldn't have bothered with the RFID chips at all!! But IMO, I think they figured they would cut out their biggest % of cheaters by putting the RFID in the soda machines and figuring if people cheated on the coffe/tea it was a MUCH smaller % and they would just "suck that up" to running a business. Well IMO, I think while they will continue to tweak this system, they realize that there is NO way to make a system 100% foolproof from cheaters without requiring some type of medical documentation. And then the problem there is they cannot require proof unless they are providing "BETTER not equal access" and we all know that is not going to happen!!!

Yeah I guess I mean they hope people would be honest with the das. After the media if the gac maybe they thought it would shame the ones who abused the gac.

And yes your right but the biggest percentage won rest until they find a loop hole. And find ways to get more soda then they supposed to.

Their no clear cut way of preventing abuse and cheating just Disney needs to be one step ahead and make it as hard as they can. Maybe Disney should hire the ones who abuse the system so they can go through everything and see what they would do and fix it.

 

[aaarcher86]

I think the percentage of people trying to cheat the system is very small. And that small percentage will decrease further when they make this electronic. We all know cheating can't be eliminated completely.

The people devising plans to skirt the rules are going to be shooting themselves in the foot in the end.

 

[delmar411]

As of yesterday when a friend when to get one at WDW, your entire party must be present if you have more than 4 people in the party.

DLR has been requiring everyone to be present, no matter the party size for about a week now.

Interesting. That's good to know for the next renewal because the kids will be off school for a week at thanksgiving so we'll have to up the number on DH's days off.