Water Package?

[Intr3pid]

Let's be honest here. If ANYONE looked at this water and said "Hmmm... they said it was safe to drink, so here I go!", they're just not very smart. If some how, some way, water looked like this on a DCL ship, I'm pretty sure they'd be apologizing and giving us bottled water free of charge. This is such an extreme example of what could be wrong and far from reality of the situation here.

Let's be really honest here. If someone thought the world was binary and nothing else, companies and politicians would be selling them all kind of stuff all day long. Oh, wait...

The example is extreme but real. You can expect your onboard water to be anywhere between this extreme and the other extreme. When you have a ship with 20-year-old plumbing and tanks and a heavily treated water, you don't need a picture to be smart about it. You just need common sense.

 

[tvguy]

Let's be really honest here. If someone thought the world was binary and nothing else, companies and politicians would be selling them all kind of stuff all day long. Oh, wait...

The example is extreme but real. You can expect your onboard water to be anywhere between this extreme and the other extreme. When you have a ship with 20-year-old plumbing and tanks and a heavily treated water, you don't need a picture to be smart about it. You just need common sense.

Most of us are drinking water that transported in plumbing is far far older than 20 years old. Article in yesterday's paper here than the bulk of the water pipes in the core part of Sacramento are 100 years old.

 

[PrincessShmoo]

People who bring a refillable water bottle on board, how do you wash it?? I wouldn’t feel comfortable drinking from a bottle for 5-7 days that hadn’t been washed at minimum every other day (at home we wash them every day). I don’t really want to bring soap and a bottle scrubber in addition to the bottle, I am already an overpacker as it is! I’m wondering if there is a hack for washing bottles while traveling.

I just wash them out in the sink in the room. I just use a washcloth (if your bottle has a wide enough neck to get it in there), and whatever soap is available.

 

[Intr3pid]

Most of us are drinking water that transported in plumbing is far far older than 20 years old. Article in yesterday's paper here than the bulk of the water pipes in the core part of Sacramento are 100 years old.

Yup, what happened in Michigan is a ticking time bomb elsewhere too. Not a matter of if - but when.

 

[tvguy]

Yup, what happened in Michigan is a ticking time bomb elsewhere too. Not a matter of if - but when.

Except in Michigan the age of the pipes wasn't the issue. Contaminated water was introduced into the system.

 

[mullysisters]

Funny, as a 64 year old who spent my first 24 years living in houses that had their own water well, clean, untreated water, and had a hard time getting used to municipal water when I bought my house, I am defending treated water. LOL

We live on a farm in Ontario and drink only our well water. We get it tested three times a year. We dislike the taste of treated drinking water so we add these. I buy them from Amazon. Add to taste. There is no sugar so sweet tooths beware.

 

[Intr3pid]

Except in Michigan the age of the pipes wasn't the issue. Contaminated water was introduced into the system.

Where you do you think the lead contamination came from? Read this if you haven't researched it before:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flint_water_crisis

 

[caheffe]

We bring our own bottled water on board. I like the convenience of having cold water available. We also bring several bottles in our bag for excursions, and oftentimes the fridge was cold enough to even par-freeze the water.

 

[tvguy]

Where you do you think the lead contamination came from? Read this if you haven't researched it before:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flint_water_crisis

They changed water sources.

 

[Freeman867]

They changed water sources.

The city was cheap and in a budget crunch and changed their water source from the Detroit Water Department which treats the water properly, to the Flint River. When they did so, they failed to properly treat the water before it entered the pipes, causing the water to corrode the pipes. The first stop of the water should be a treatment center that makes the water safe to run through the city pipes. Flint failed to do that. The pipes weren't the issue. The lack of treatment of the water before it entered the pipes was the issue.

 

[tvguy]

The city was cheap and in a budget crunch and changed their water source from the Detroit Water Department which treats the water properly, to the Flint River. When they did so, they failed to properly treat the water before it entered the pipes, causing the water to corrode the pipes. The first stop of the water should be a treatment center that makes the water safe to run through the city pipes. Flint failed to do that. The pipes weren't the issue. The lack of treatment of the water before it entered the pipes was the issue.

Thank you. That was what I am finding. We had a sort of related issue with water chemistry in the City of Folsom. Never knew that water chemistry could quickly corrode pipes. Almost new homes with copper pipes experienced pinhole leaks because too much of a chemical was added to the water. https://www.abc10.com/article/news/...suit/103-66cdd51d-819f-4d83-8a33-6a35596a539c

 

[Chemist]

Umm...

For those who refuse to drink ships water because it isn't "safe". That same water is used in the soda machines, the juice machines, the coffee machines, the soup at dinner...

 

[coronationday]

You can, as mentioned previously water must be carried aboard and not placed with checked luggage.

Thank you for the information!

 

[Intr3pid]

The city was cheap and in a budget crunch and changed their water source from the Detroit Water Department which treats the water properly, to the Flint River. When they did so, they failed to properly treat the water before it entered the pipes, causing the water to corrode the pipes. The first stop of the water should be a treatment center that makes the water safe to run through the city pipes. Flint failed to do that. The pipes weren't the issue. The lack of treatment of the water before it entered the pipes was the issue.

Thank you. That was what I am finding. We had a sort of related issue with water chemistry in the City of Folsom. Never knew that water chemistry could quickly corrode pipes. Almost new homes with copper pipes experienced pinhole leaks because too much of a chemical was added to the water. https://www.abc10.com/article/news/...suit/103-66cdd51d-819f-4d83-8a33-6a35596a539c

Not quite. The change of water supply simply accelerated the leaching of lead into water. Lead was always present in that water. at a level considered OK at that time. 'At that time' being the key phrase. No longer though. They have long switched the water supply back, but they are still replacing any lead pipe they can find.

No one knows where all the lead pipes are. And no on knows what long-term effects PVC and galvanized pipes will have either. What we do know is that almost all metals deteriorate, oxidize, or leach at some point if exposed constantly to water. Like I said, not a matter of if - but when.

 

[Intr3pid]

Umm...

For those who refuse to drink ships water because it isn't "safe". That same water is used in the soda machines, the juice machines, the coffee machines, the soup at dinner...

Is that a serious question? Or, is it so difficult to compute that someone not drinking from the tap may also avoid it from a soda machine?

 

[Kwami]

Is that a serious question? Or, is it so difficult to compute that someone not drinking from the tap may also avoid it from a soda machine?

Do you also avoid all ice, coffee, and food? It's all the same water.

 

[tvguy]

Not quite. The change of water supply simply accelerated the leaching of lead into water. Lead was always present in that water. at a level considered OK at that time. 'At that time' being the key phrase. No longer though. They have long switched the water supply back, but they are still replacing any lead pipe they can find.

No one knows where all the lead pipes are. And no on knows what long-term effects PVC and galvanized pipes will have either. What we do know is that almost all metals deteriorate, oxidize, or leach at some point if exposed constantly to water. Like I said, not a matter of if - but when.

Thankfully cruise ships don't use lead pipes.

 

[Intr3pid]

Do you also avoid all ice, coffee, and food? It's all the same water.

I assume your definition of food is something uncooked floating in water? Because any extraneous water in my well done steak is long gone by the time it is served on table. That much exposure I have no problem with.

 

[Kwami]

I assume your definition of food is something uncooked floating in water? Because any extraneous water in my well done steak is long gone by the time it is served on table. That much exposure I have no problem with.

The water might be gone, but not anything that contaminated it.

EDIT: By the way, does anyone have any more details on the water package that comes with the cooler bag? I don't care about the water, but I wouldn't mind a DCL cooler bag if it's actually good. Where do you buy that?

 

[Intr3pid]

The water might be gone, but not anything that contaminated it.

If you can evaporate that contaminated water on its own, you can evaporate it with cooking. In any case, I will take this more seriously next time I read research on someone developing birth defects after eating their steaks in Michigan.