Was this teacher out of line...?

I was not informed that he was assaulted, I guess I wasn't clear. I wasn't worried about the bully, kids gossip and I found out (2 yrs later) about his punishment. He kept this to himself until things came to a head in 8th grade. The kid that assaulted him, repeatedly did so at the bus stop, at school, and any school function that they might bump into each other at. He was caught probably 3 times. That is my issue, not being informed about what happened to my own child. Something happens to my youngest son ( he fell on the playground) I get a call from either the teacher or the school nurse. I would think that if someone hit my kid, they should at least let me know that this happened. I can speak with my son about it but I did know he was the victim of bullying for 2 years because of the lack of communication on the school and my son's part. I take blame for not questioning him more on things but if you don't see signs of a problem you don't look for them either. I am now more proactive about speaking with my kids about their days and not always about homework, teachers, etc but also about things that have happened on the bus, sports, gym and lunch.
 
:thumbsup2 I cannot believe you're the only one who mentioned this. A kid insulted his mother. What does a kid with some spirit do? He "yo mama"s right back. I would never have sat back and let someone insult my mother. And if come kid insulted me and DD gave them an earful, I'd be glad she had some spunk and was not a doormat to be bullied. (And that she loved her mommy enough to defend her.)

Unless the kid in question is *%#$ on wheels, he'd probably get an ipgraded birthday present from this mommy this year. :lmao: As for the school, if the #2 end of yo mama got punished, then you'd better bet #1 yo mama should have been punished right along with him. I'd be on a serious rant if my kid was punished for defending me after another child insulted me......especially when he used the exact same tactic as the insulting child who started the whole thing.

Personally, I wouldn't reward my child when their behavior was no better than the other childs. I would however let it be a lesson on how we can not let words that aren't true bother us. There are ways to defend your mother without resorting to the same type of insult, and I don't think any child is too young to learn that. Of course inside I would have felt "good for you" but I wouldn't let my child know that. I wouldn't have punished them at all for saying that though.
 
I'm a bus driver and the schools respond to all behavior at the bus stops, ie. smoking, fighting, bullying all has to be reported by me. I think the mom of the girl reacted in a pretty strong way. Had this been my child, he would have been instructed as to how to respond to this initial bullying and I would have discussed privately with his teacher that I thought he was best served by spending his time in school learning instead of sitting in the hall over hearsay.
 
I was not informed that he was assaulted, I guess I wasn't clear. I wasn't worried about the bully, kids gossip and I found out (2 yrs later) about his punishment. He kept this to himself until things came to a head in 8th grade. The kid that assaulted him, repeatedly did so at the bus stop, at school, and any school function that they might bump into each other at. He was caught probably 3 times. That is my issue, not being informed about what happened to my own child. Something happens to my youngest son ( he fell on the playground) I get a call from either the teacher or the school nurse. I would think that if someone hit my kid, they should at least let me know that this happened. I can speak with my son about it but I did know he was the victim of bullying for 2 years because of the lack of communication on the school and my son's part. I take blame for not questioning him more on things but if you don't see signs of a problem you don't look for them either. I am now more proactive about speaking with my kids about their days and not always about homework, teachers, etc but also about things that have happened on the bus, sports, gym and lunch.


Oh, I'm so sorry, how awful for your boy. There was definitely in your DS' case a pattern of not notifying you that there had been a physical attack by one child upon yours. The school system let you both down and they didn't do any favors to the other child either - if the situation has been properly handled when the kids were younger maybe things wouldn't have come to a head in the 8th Grade?... I bet the administrators probably weren't following school policy. While it's true they can't divulge one child's punishment to anyone (even the family of the child who was assaulted), BUT I really think they are required to tell the parents of the assaulted child that someone hit their kid.

And I'm with the PP who mentioned that the situation the OP describes was all about hearsay (or gossip). What's to stop a kid from making up some whopper to get another kid in trouble? All a kid has to do is to simply say "Johnny *said* xxxxx" and now it seems that with the OP teacher Johnny will get into trouble?

I just don't get it.
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First of all: Holla! I'm in the L town too! I love the rec center. There are houses for sale in our 'hood. Come on down and we'll see ya next year at the Spree! ;-)

I think the teacher was way out of line, and as a parent I'd be having a conversation with the principle about it. I think cancelling the birthday party was crazy. Sometimes kids just need to learn to deal with each other meaness. Its a cruel world and that's how children learn to build a think skin.

I think the one reason the teacher may have reacted harshly is becuase she interpreted the OP's co-worker's DD's 'yo mamma' as a religious slur. In southeastern MI where I live there are many women wearing the hajeeb (sp?- a headcovering worn my Muslim women) and a 'yo mamma dresses funny' would very likely be treated as a religious slur rather than just typical 7 year old nastyness.

Both children should have gotten a talkin' to and the whole thing laid to rest.
 
LOL, I am a flight attendant! My co-worker is from Memphis! :goodvibes I am in Novi! Hello neighbor!!! We are actually looking for a house in Livonia.
bolding is mine, I messed up the quote feature...


Whew..glad to hear... thought I was crazy or confused for a moment here... I couldn't figure out how a private school would have a school bus and all this going on..since the legislature passed the ruling about schools in Michigan going back after Labor Day, only private schools that don't coordinate with the public school for bus services go back early..

Now that you mention being a flight attendant I remember when you posted about applying for that job...:)

Our next door neighbor has a "Mac Daddy" custom home going back to the bank...we live in a small older rural area in Livonia with big lots but centrally located. come be our neighbor:thumbsup2
Nice! We are looking around the 6 and 7 mile area and 2-75... nothing past Merriman. It's a nice area, and we've found quite a few nice homes already!!! We are currently at Grand River and Meadowbrook... we are so close!!!
 
I think the one reason the teacher may have reacted harshly is becuase she interpreted the OP's co-worker's DD's 'yo mamma' as a religious slur. In southeastern MI where I live there are many women wearing the hajeeb (sp?- a headcovering worn my Muslim women) and a 'yo mamma dresses funny' would very likely be treated as a religious slur rather than just typical 7 year old nastyness.

Both children should have gotten a talkin' to and the whole thing laid to rest.

I think that is why ALL the adults overreacted. I was trying to make this point in my post but probably wasn't clear. I feel a 7 year old would not realize her words could be interpreted as a religious slur and was just thinking about clothes and looks (the same as the other child). Thus, she should receive no more punishment than the first child (but probably an explanation of WHY the mother dresses how she does and why therefore her comment was not okay). Honestly, overreacting this harshly to a comment that was not intended to religious could backfire and have the effect of making this little girl really dislike this religion from now on--after all the lady who "dresses funny" caused her to miss her birthday party. Again, assuming there is no additional information we are missing.
 
I agree with you. I'd take it one step further and say its a good lesson for the kid whose mom wears whatever it is she wears for religious reasons- were it my child I'd just tell my kid to suck it up and be loving to those who persecute you. I think there's a really good discussion to be had there about why religious beliefs are what they are and how hard it can be living with thier concequences.

Actually, more like I'd ask my kid what she did to bring it on. :rotfl:

Geez. Sticks and stones, people.

There's a real difference between this and true bullying or religious intolerance.
 
I believe that the reason that the teacher responded so strongly was becasue the nature of the insult could have been linked to the Mother's religious beliefs. This kind of taunting generally is not tolerated in school. I don;t understand why both were not punished or why the punishment was so harsh though. This could have been a learning opportunity for both students, reports on religious or cultural traditional dress and why those peoples attire fit their homeland from one and from the kid who started the whole thing a report that researched communication styles other than insults and ridicule.
 
Unfortunately, legally they are resposible. If a child is injured walking to/from school or at a bus stop, the school's insurance has to cover it. It's been that way for years.

I would just think this opens school districts up to huge liability. What if a child is abducted and murdered while under the "supervision" of the school district as they walk to and from their bus stop (and I am sure this has probably happened sometime in the last 20 yrs). The schools can't have it both ways, they can't say we're are not responsible in some cases (such as a horrific incident) and then claim responsibility over more trivial issues. I realize things are much more dangerous than when I rode the bus in the 70s and early 80s but like I say, they can't have it both ways.
Personally, my kids don't ride the bus as they would have to board at 6:15 for a 7:50 school start and would not get home until about 4pm (School lets out at 2:50)
 
I would just think this opens school districts up to huge liability. What if a child is abducted and murdered while under the "supervision" of the school district as they walk to and from their bus stop (and I am sure this has probably happened sometime in the last 20 yrs). The schools can't have it both ways, they can't say we're are not responsible in some cases (such as a horrific incident) and then claim responsibility over more trivial issues. I realize things are much more dangerous than when I rode the bus in the 70s and early 80s but like I say, they can't have it both ways.
Personally, my kids don't ride the bus as they would have to board at 6:15 for a 7:50 school start and would not get home until about 4pm (School lets out at 2:50)

I promise it is not "the schools" we really don't want it both ways--heck we don't want it either way! It is precedent in the court system and policies developed by board lawyers based on these precedents. I'm sure there is not a principal out there that wouldn't gladly take responsibility for coming and going to school off his/her plate.
 
There should have been no in school punishment for this, as it did not happen during school. She could have still contacted your co-worker with a note or a phone call to let her know since the other mom dumped it on her. The mom of the other kid should have contacted your co-worker if she was that upset.
 
I would just think this opens school districts up to huge liability.

The schools can't have it both ways, they can't say we're are not responsible in some cases (such as a horrific incident) and then claim responsibility over more trivial issues.

I imagine that the school districts would prefer to not have any responsibility at all but that is not the way it is in our area. If the parent had not called to complain the two kids would have probably settled this. The parent who was watching over them probably thought that it was just a little verbal scuffle and did not feel the need to escalate this to the school.
 
Personally, I wouldn't reward my child when their behavior was no better than the other childs. I would however let it be a lesson on how we can not let words that aren't true bother us. There are ways to defend your mother without resorting to the same type of insult, and I don't think any child is too young to learn that. Of course inside I would have felt "good for you" but I wouldn't let my child know that. I wouldn't have punished them at all for saying that though.

I'm being brutally honest. Now, let me make it clear that I would not have said the words, "Well, I guess that popped his balloon when you pointed out what with a mother who looks like his, he's in no position to be putting down anyone else's mother," nor would I have said the words, "Thanks for sticking up for me by giving that kid a verbal smackdown." But I would have thought them. I can't help that.

And on the INSIDE......Yes, I'd be relieved that DD had the intestinal fortitude to look him in the eye and not put up with that crap. I don't think it's sinking to his level to take on a bully and shut them down. In my childhood experience, sometimes the ONLY way to get someone who is pulling this stuff is to give it right back. Yes, a child could take the high road and ignore the insulter while even more insults are hurled. They could say, "You're being rude and that's not nice." But the insulting child is fully aware they are being rude and they do not care. It is their intent to be less than nice. The child in question was being verbally bullied, albeit via an insult to his mother.

I had experience with a bully that intimidated our class (both boys and girls) for years. Normally, I was a kid who liked to have fun and had lots of friends. I was never in a fight and to this day, have never been in one. But on the day I stood up to her and said the equivalent of, "Bring it on...I've had enough of you," and she backed down, I learned that what adults had said for years was true. Standing up to a bully may just be the best way to get them to leave you alone. Sure, they may give you a beatdown...:lmao:....And I was prepared for that. I'd just had my fill of her. But I was going to give as good as I got. However, when someone FINALLY dished out to her what she'd been giving to them all those years, she crumbled.

So did the little insulter in this story. Kid #2 returned with a "yo mama" and the insulter ran crying back to his mommy. Clearly, he expected to toss insults at others, but be immune to the same treatment. Now he knows better. If the school had either stayed out of it OR given the same punishment to both kids, the insulter would have learned that in the future, messing with that particular kid might not be so much fun. Sadly, because the school fubared it, the insulter has perhaps failed to learn that lesson.

I don't like bullies. Bullies get to be bullies because they get away with things over and over and over and no one calls them on it. So they begin to believe that their behavior is acceptable and is their right. Every once in a while, someone needs to come along and burst that bubble. Was Kid #2 being especially NICE when she retaliated with an insult to the insulter's mother? Noooooooo, she wasn't. She didn't exactly behave like a little angel. But then again, she wasn't dealing with a very nice person, was she? I truly don't think taking the high road or turning the other cheek with a kid who will insult your mother RIGHT IN FRONT OF another mother is going to accomplish a lot. Any kid who will mouth off like that when another mother is present has no problem bullying.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I just don't think trying to be the bigger person where a bully is concerned usually pays off. I think it usually just leads to more of the same. As for the mom canceling the birthday party, either she is seriously overreacting or there is a lot more to the story/this kid's history.

I doubt Kid #2 was making any kind of religious commentary. A child insulted her mother by calling the mom weird and ugly and so Kid #2 pointed out, from her 7 y.o. point of view, that the insulter's mom dresses crazy. (Actually, that's just one insult against the original two. :teacher:) Most 7 y.o.s do not grasp the religious reasons a person may dress in a way that is outside the norm.....They just know it looks unusual/crazy. From a 7 y.o.'s point of view, I'd say the insult of "your mom dresses crazy" is much less harsh than "your mom is weird and ugly." The problem is, I don't think the adults are bothering to look at the situation from a child's point of view, but are instead projecting all sorts of "stuff" into it that just isn't there.

If my DD came wailing to me that some kid had insulted me (her dear mother) and I found out that she had initiated the whole incident by first insulting that child's mother, she'd be the one in trouble. I might not be thrilled that some kid insulted me :laughing: but I'd certainly understand why he/she did so. Lesson learned for DD: Don't go around insulted people's mamas.

Here's how it might have gone if the insulter's mother hadn't ran crying to the school herself: (Do I sense a trend?)

Insulter: Wah! Little Janie said you dressed crazy. She's so mean!

Mom #1: Let me call her mother and straighten this out. She can't get away with that. Hello.....Janie's mom.....My little sweetie just ran home from the bus stop crying because your mean Janie said horrible things about me. She made fun of our religion and said I dressed crazy.

Mom #2: Oh....Did he also tell you he first said to Janie that her mom, meaning little old me, was weird and ugly? Once he said that, I'll admit she got a little testy and you mama'ed him. But as you can see, there is more to this story than your son told you. I tell you what. I'll handle Janie on my end and you handle your son on yours.

Now Mom #1 has a choice to make. Will she coddle her sweetie and let him continue to bully others or will she tell him that when you say mean things to other kids, there's a good chance they're going to be mean in return and that he might want to rethink the insults in the future? :confused3 As of right now, from what the OP indicates, the insulter has been given the idea by the school and his mother, that he did no wrong. :headache:
 
Nice! We are looking around the 6 and 7 mile area and 2-75... nothing past Merriman. It's a nice area, and we've found quite a few nice homes already!!! We are currently at Grand River and Meadowbrook... we are so close!!!

We are between 5 and 6 mile right across from the Rec center and 20 minutes to Metro. Check it out over here. We have a new home on an acre lot and no restrictions regarding fencing etc...perfect for our dogs. My neighbor's house is a BIG craftsman type Cape Cod with all kinds of custom features, he built it and ours. It has slate floors, radiant heat, full finished basement. I have the contact info for the guy at the bank in case I find a buyer. We are dying for good neighbors.:goodvibes
 
I'm being brutally honest. Now, let me make it clear that I would not have said the words, "Well, I guess that popped his balloon when you pointed out what with a mother who looks like his, he's in no position to be putting down anyone else's mother," nor would I have said the words, "Thanks for sticking up for me by giving that kid a verbal smackdown." But I would have thought them. I can't help that.

And on the INSIDE......Yes, I'd be relieved that DD had the intestinal fortitude to look him in the eye and not put up with that crap. I don't think it's sinking to his level to take on a bully and shut them down. In my childhood experience, sometimes the ONLY way to get someone who is pulling this stuff is to give it right back. Yes, a child could take the high road and ignore the insulter while even more insults are hurled. They could say, "You're being rude and that's not nice." But the insulting child is fully aware they are being rude and they do not care. It is their intent to be less than nice. The child in question was being verbally bullied, albeit via an insult to his mother.

I had experience with a bully that intimidated our class (both boys and girls) for years. Normally, I was a kid who liked to have fun and had lots of friends. I was never in a fight and to this day, have never been in one. But on the day I stood up to her and said the equivalent of, "Bring it on...I've had enough of you," and she backed down, I learned that what adults had said for years was true. Standing up to a bully may just be the best way to get them to leave you alone. Sure, they may give you a beatdown...:lmao:....And I was prepared for that. I'd just had my fill of her. But I was going to give as good as I got. However, when someone FINALLY dished out to her what she'd been giving to them all those years, she crumbled.

So did the little insulter in this story. Kid #2 returned with a "yo mama" and the insulter ran crying back to his mommy. Clearly, he expected to toss insults at others, but be immune to the same treatment. Now he knows better. If the school had either stayed out of it OR given the same punishment to both kids, the insulter would have learned that in the future, messing with that particular kid might not be so much fun. Sadly, because the school fubared it, the insulter has perhaps failed to learn that lesson.

I don't like bullies. Bullies get to be bullies because they get away with things over and over and over and no one calls them on it. So they begin to believe that their behavior is acceptable and is their right. Every once in a while, someone needs to come along and burst that bubble. Was Kid #2 being especially NICE when she retaliated with an insult to the insulter's mother? Noooooooo, she wasn't. She didn't exactly behave like a little angel. But then again, she wasn't dealing with a very nice person, was she? I truly don't think taking the high road or turning the other cheek with a kid who will insult your mother RIGHT IN FRONT OF another mother is going to accomplish a lot. Any kid who will mouth off like that when another mother is present has no problem bullying.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I just don't think trying to be the bigger person where a bully is concerned usually pays off. I think it usually just leads to more of the same. As for the mom canceling the birthday party, either she is seriously overreacting or there is a lot more to the story/this kid's history.

I doubt Kid #2 was making any kind of religious commentary. A child insulted her mother by calling the mom weird and ugly and so Kid #2 pointed out, from her 7 y.o. point of view, that the insulter's mom dresses crazy. (Actually, that's just one insult against the original two. :teacher:) Most 7 y.o.s do not grasp the religious reasons a person may dress in a way that is outside the norm.....They just know it looks unusual/crazy. From a 7 y.o.'s point of view, I'd say the insult of "your mom dresses crazy" is much less harsh than "your mom is weird and ugly." The problem is, I don't think the adults are bothering to look at the situation from a child's point of view, but are instead projecting all sorts of "stuff" into it that just isn't there.

If my DD came wailing to me that some kid had insulted me (her dear mother) and I found out that she had initiated the whole incident by first insulting that child's mother, she'd be the one in trouble. I might not be thrilled that some kid insulted me :laughing: but I'd certainly understand why he/she did so. Lesson learned for DD: Don't go around insulted people's mamas.

Here's how it might have gone if the insulter's mother hadn't ran crying to the school herself: (Do I sense a trend?)

Insulter: Wah! Little Janie said you dressed crazy. She's so mean!

Mom #1: Let me call her mother and straighten this out. She can't get away with that. Hello.....Janie's mom.....My little sweetie just ran home from the bus stop crying because your mean Janie said horrible things about me. She made fun of our religion and said I dressed crazy.

Mom #2: Oh....Did he also tell you he first said to Janie that her mom, meaning little old me, was weird and ugly? Once he said that, I'll admit she got a little testy and you mama'ed him. But as you can see, there is more to this story than your son told you. I tell you what. I'll handle Janie on my end and you handle your son on yours.

Now Mom #1 has a choice to make. Will she coddle her sweetie and let him continue to bully others or will she tell him that when you say mean things to other kids, there's a good chance they're going to be mean in return and that he might want to rethink the insults in the future? :confused3 As of right now, from what the OP indicates, the insulter has been given the idea by the school and his mother, that he did no wrong. :headache:


I disagree with the bolded, at least from the experiences I/ my kids have had. Its all a matter of perspective, I don't teach my kids to be the better person, but I teach them that they are in control of beiing bullied (not meaning physically). If they let the bully get the better of them, they give that bully more power, and give that bully exactly what they want. I'm not saying that I disagree and don't think it right for a child to stick up for themselves, I just don't think giving a bully a dose of their own medicine is the way I ewant my kids to handle it. Since we have had issues in the past this is what works for us but I don't believe everyone should do what we do. More power to anyone who stands up to a bully, no matter what their method :thumbsup2, I was just explaining why I wouldn't have celebrated my child doing what the kid in the OP did.

ETA I forgot to mention that my kids would probably do the same thing as the defnder in the OP, in fact I know my youngest would, but I would just hope from what they had been taught that they knew they didn't have to.
 
I disagree with the bolded, at least from the experiences I/ my kids have had. Its all a matter of perspective, I don't teach my kids to be the better person, but I teach them that they are in control of beiing bullied (not meaning physically). If they let the bully get the better of them, they give that bully more power, and give that bully exactly what they want. I'm not saying that I disagree and don't think it right for a child to stick up for themselves, I just don't think giving a bully a dose of their own medicine is the way I ewant my kids to handle it. Since we have had issues in the past this is what works for us but I don't believe everyone should do what we do. More power to anyone who stands up to a bully, no matter what their method :thumbsup2, I was just explaining why I wouldn't have celebrated my child doing what the kid in the OP did.

ETA I forgot to mention that my kids would probably do the same thing as the defnder in the OP, in fact I know my youngest would, but I would just hope from what they had been taught that they knew they didn't have to.


DD would be hopping mad if a kid insulted me, but I don't think she would ever retaliate by insulting THEIR mother. She's see that as "mean." If she ever got mad enough to return an insult, it would be directed at the child himself. But usually, she'd just walk off in a huff.

Last year, there was a kid in her grade who could be meaner than a snake. (To everyone, not just DD.) DD was one of the few kids who would continue to play with her, because after being burned a few times, the other kids were too scared to take a chance. :lmao: It's hard to explain, but she just goes OFF on kids. One day, she went too far and was very mean to DD, so DD walked off. When she tried to make up with DD the next day, DD said, "Not until you say you are sorry." So she said she was sorry and were they friends now? DD asked, "And what are you sorry FOR?" and made the kid explain what she'd done that was so bad. So now could they be friends again? DD continued, "And are you ever going to do that again?" and extracted a vow from the girl to never repeat the offense. By the time DD was done with her, the girl must have decided she'd gone too far and bad better not cross one of the few kids that would still associate with her, because she was quite a bit nicer after that and saved "going off on people" for other kids.

I told DH if I'd had to go through the torture of that apology, I'd straighten up and fly right too. :rotfl2:
 
We are between 5 and 6 mile right across from the Rec center and 20 minutes to Metro. Check it out over here. We have a new home on an acre lot and no restrictions regarding fencing etc...perfect for our dogs. My neighbor's house is a BIG craftsman type Cape Cod with all kinds of custom features, he built it and ours. It has slate floors, radiant heat, full finished basement. I have the contact info for the guy at the bank in case I find a buyer. We are dying for good neighbors.:goodvibes
We are Disney Freaks... DH is a cop... we would be great neighbors!!! :rotfl: :laughing:
 
And I can't help thinking that if it's a school-sponsored activity for which they are taking responsibility, they should also be providing supervision, no?

I'm not arguing with you....I believe you actually. But it makes me mad that this is the policy of the schools.

No, I don't think they should provide supervision, first, I don't want to have to pay for it :lmao: and second, how in the heck did we grow up, stand at the bus stop and make it through life. The older kids watched out for the younger kids, there was a pecking order at the bus stop, everyone knew it. We played games waiting for the bus to come and never had a problem. It was just expected that you behave so kids did. If there was a problem the kids took care of it themselves and didn't run to Mommy because they KNEW the first think out of Mommy's mouth would have been "what did you do to start it".

Kids are WAY too coddled today and can't deal with anything on their own. Sorry, these are ALL life lessons and kids NEED to learn how to deal with them or they end up like some of the people my DH has interviewed over the past few years where their MOMMY calls DH after little precious didn't get the job to find out why. :scared1:

We were just at a college visit with DS17 and I couldn't believe how the kids that were going off to college next year couldn't answer a question, how mom or dad did all the talking, even checked the kids in for their tour. Heck, I was just along for the ride. This is DS's decision, not mine. Dealing with these things starts way back when you are 5 and some kid calls your mom weird at the bus stop.
 
While I do think it was waaayy out of line for the teacher to punish the girl for what was said at the bus stop, it is not unusual for the school to deal with bus stop issues. Around here, the Principal handles them.

A couple of years ago, my DS was at the bus stop with the group of neighbor kids that got on with him. DS is an avid reader and always, ALWAYS has a book in his hands. For some reason, the kids all thought it was a good idea to toss the book around. They were having fun, even though they were all old enough to know better than to treat a book like that. it got out of hand when the older boy decided to drop kick the book into the air. It was an older Harry Potter book, and the binding broke. My son was upset when he got to school, and the Principal got involved. It was his job to make sure this was not a bullying incident. I got called into the school, and the other boys mother got called. Some of the other kids at the bus stop were called down to give their version of what happened. It was NOT a bullying incident, as it was just a game that went too far. The other boys mother made sure the boy bought my son another book. The boy felt really bad and was in tears, but it all got worked out in the end.

The schools have zero tolerence for bullying, and I witnessed it first hand, how far they will go to be sure it was NOT a bullying. But, my point is, it was dealt with through the Principal. No teachers were involved, and the parents were called in. Nobody would have been "punished" before everyone knew the full story from BOTH sides, and the witnesses.

OP..do you know why your co-worker cancelled the poor girls bday party? She was already punished in school, and the punishment did not even fit the crime, IMO.
 















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