Was the Teacher Justified?

[Luv'sTink]

If they are at HOME, and their legs hurt... It will help them remember.

Push ups work too.

But what are the ones the DONT forget suppose to do about it, when their legs hurt too?

 

[Anewman]

He just finished junior football and went to the superbowl of his league, so it wasnt the physical activity that he had a problem with.

In football or any sport, if one player loses(or wins)...

 

[Luv'sTink]

Fair? Maybe not...

Life Lesson? Absolutely.


In life we all suffer(or prosper) due to the actions of others, be it work or personal life.

And I think kids in PE should run at least half hour per day.

So if you worked at a place that worked in teams and part of your team wouldn't do their part and it reflected badly on you, that would be OK, you know a lifes lesson. What if the boss said you all were going to lose a $1 an hour because of the ones that couldn't get their stuff together? Still OK, a lifes lesson?

 

[Minnesota!]

I don't think the teacher was trying to be fair. I think she was trying to make the boys who forget their uniforms understand that they are infringing on the entire class (esp when its 14 students forgetting!). Whatever the PE teacher had planned that day probably could not have taken place with that many missing kids. Therefore the whole class had to suffer one way or the other as a result of irresponsible students.

Maybe in the future the forgetful students will think more carefully realizing that their actions/choices can have consequences even on those who follow the rules.

With 14 students forgetting, I think the PE teacher had to make a powerful statement to get some type of control. And that's not always going to be fair for the entire class. But hey, life isn't always fair and many times we do have to suffer from the mistakes of others. At least they got some exercise!

running in p.e.-not that big of a deal. Had coaches that used to use this tactic. Theory is that the ones who did what they were supposed to will give the "bad" kids a hard time. The kids will do the punishing. No need to worry.

I think what she did is awesome! If SHE'S not getting through to the kids, maybe their friends can. A little ragging on will make them think next Monday - "Man, I dont' want to go through THAT again...better grab my uniform"

 

[Luv'sTink]

In football or any sport, if one player loses(or wins)...

I was saying the he wasn't concerned about the PHYSICAL part of the punishment. He wants to know what to do about it so it doesn't happen in the future! Got answer for that?

 

[Luv'sTink]

I think what she did is awesome! If SHE'S not getting through to the kids, maybe their friends can. A little ragging on will make them think next Monday - "Man, I dont' want to go through THAT again...better grab my uniform"

Once agian, WHAT are the others suppose to do to stop the ones that dont care if they forget or not?

 

[hentob]

In football or any sport, if one player loses(or wins)...

This isn't a team It is a mandatory class.

I dislike group punishments

 

[Anewman]

So if you worked at a place that worked in teams and part of your team wouldn't do their part and it reflected badly on you, that would be OK, you know a lifes lesson. What if the boss said you all were going to lose a $1 an hour because of the ones that couldn't get their stuff together? Still OK, a lifes lesson?

It is life...

If co-worker blunders a big account, the ENTIRE COMPANY suffers.

In the military, if someone falls asleep on their watch the entire squad suffers.

In sports if the pitcher gives up ten runs, the whole team gives up ten runs.



No I would not like it, but that wont change the way things work.

 

[disneymyway]

I think we parents scrutinize a little too much the things teachers do. When I was little parents didn't get involved when they should and now parents get involved too much.

Fair, not fair? It doesn't matter. This is the kind of thing that kids need to get used to so that they can face the fairness/unfairness of the real world and not sweat the small stuff.

If a kid tells a parent something like this happened in (especially) gym class, I think the best thing a parent can say is, "Wow that stinks!" and then have a good laugh about it together.

 

[LotsOfQuestions]

I don't see a problem where all the children had to run. They all, even the ones who never forget their uniforms, learned a valuable lesson in life.

When you work together as a group, as this class was, everybody is affected by a single player's actions.

The ones who forgot their uniforms will realize that they caused others to suffer their actions. Those that never forget their uniforms will always remember how crappy it was to have to run for somebody else if they are ever in a situation in life where their actions may impact the group.

And as long as the teacher didn't forbid water and run the kids till they were puking, I don't see anything wrong with running in a PE class. Too many of our 11 year olds are too sedentary anyway.

 

[I Love Pluto]

But what are the ones the DONT forget suppose to do about it, when their legs hurt too?

This is exactly what I was thinking.

The gym teacher was WRONG. The focus should have been on the kids who REMEMBERED the suit, not on those who didn't.

If four people are driving and only three are speeding, all four do NOT get a ticket.

End of sermon.

 

[Anewman]

I was saying the he wasn't concerned about the PHYSICAL part of the punishment. He wants to know what to do about it so it doesn't happen in the future! Got answer for that?

He does not want to run in PE in the future??

Nope, no answer.

 

[rie'smom]

Not a problem for me because when I was in school if a few talked the whole class had to write 6 chapters of spelling words. The kids who hadn't talked let the kids who had know they were ticked. I think the peer pressure had more of an effect than the teacher would have had.

 

[LuvOrlando]

The problem isn't the boys, the problem is the gym teachers inability to garner any respect from the students.

If the teacher has a problem with some students then he/she needs to work on that relationship. I do not think giving an entire class one common enemy, the teacher, is going to work in his or her favor in the end...never mind all the resentful parents. If it was me I'd probably point this out to my kids as a childish way to lead and let them see for themselves how bad decisions come to seed. Sort of a 'what not to do' life lesson for me, but that's just how I see it.

 

[LotsOfQuestions]

So if you worked at a place that worked in teams and part of your team wouldn't do their part and it reflected badly on you, that would be OK, you know a lifes lesson. What if the boss said you all were going to lose a $1 an hour because of the ones that couldn't get their stuff together? Still OK, a lifes lesson?

As others have said, it does happen in the work place. If your team fails to meet deadlines due to slackers, everyone might suffer losing a raise or worse losing your job. I know extremely hard working people that have been laid off because their department didn't meet their goals. And it usually was because not every person in the department was pulling their weight, consequently the work didn't get done.

As much as we don't like it and it isn't fair, in life and the workplace, we are often punished for other's mistakes.

I don't encourage bullying, but a few remarks like "hey John, that really wasn't fair to the rest of us" is really not out of line. Peer pressure isn't always negative and doesn't always resort to bullying.

On a Friday, the boys that always remember can issue a reminder like "hey John, don't forget your uniform on Monday - I would hate to have to run again."

If a large group continues to forget, the "responsible" boys can call the forgetful ones on Monday morning before school - "hey John, don't forget your uniform this morning"

No, they shouldn't have to be police, but in real life that is how you manage teams, you push the ones not doing their part.

I know it works because my son was a bit of a slacker. When in middle school, he was a bit slow to get dressed and out on the field. The coach implemented the "when one is late, everybody runs" rule. I can't tell you how fast my kid got dressed after that. He didn't want to let his team mates down. It had nothing to do with bullying, but his commitment to his team and his friends and he didn't want to let them down.

 

[disneymyway]

The problem isn't the boys, the problem is the gym teachers inability to garner any respect from the students.

If the teacher has a problem with some students then he/she needs to work on that relationship. I do not think giving an entire class one common enemy, the teacher, is going to work in his or her favor in the end...never mind all the resentful parents. If it was me I'd probably point this out to my kids as a childish way to lead and let them see for themselves how bad decisions come to seed. Sort of a 'what not to do' life lesson for me, but that's just how I see it.

And when they get bosses like this in the real world (and they will because we all do) they will be able to handle it. Some of the young people I run across have pretty immature attitudes in the workplace because they were taught that everything had to be fair all the time.

What do you do if the boss is like this? Quit? Well maybe, if it is really unbearable. But maybe jobs are scarce, or this one is really a pretty good job in other respects and the other stuff is just a minor annoyance in the grand scheme of things. Anyway, it's usually stuff that is not that big a deal unless you want to make it a big deal and you choose to be unhappy.

 

[c4a]

If you child has the phone number of one of the kids (or all of them)-call them Sunday night or Monday morning & remind the kid (s). Just a simple "Hey, don't forget your gym uniform. Not in the mood to run, today."

Granted, it shouldn't be your child's job to babysit. However, if your child doesn't want to run... Or have the child call the other child's parent and ask that the parent makes sure the gym uniform is in the backpack. Let the child explain that they don't want to run because the other child can't remember his/her uniform.

I'd call the kid.

 

[Tinijocaro]

Yes, it's PE and they should be excercising anyways, but using the thing that you are promoting as a punishment? Not cool.

That would be like me, as a music teacher, making the kids play their instruments as a punishment. Makes no sense.

I'm also not a fan at all of group punishment.

 

[Anewman]

If four people are driving and only three are speeding, all four do NOT get a ticket.

End of sermon.

Sadly, if one(or even 3) drivers fall asleep at the wheel, it can affect everyone on the road.

Again, This is PE so IMO running should be a regular activity anyways. I really dont see why, 11 year olds would be hurt IN ANY WAY by 30 minutes of running.

 

[Tinkerbelle'sMOM]

No problem there...and if you don't like how this was handled, then don't let your kid go out for team sports. If kids were goofing off during cross country, they had extra laps/miles added to their training. Football, run up and down those stairs and volleyball had to do suicides. Kids learn that if they keep goofing off and their peers get punished along with them, their friends are going to get on their butts.

I agree with the statement about work....if one member of the team doesn't do his share,then the whole group suffers. That is life, and chalk this up as a life lesson.