Walt Disney World now fingerprints visitors. what about privacy?

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Walt Disney World fingerprints visitors
Disney is now fingerprinting visitors to Walt Disney World as part of its ticket-fraud prevention scheme. They're not being very transparent about it, either: there are no signs posted about the data collection or retention, and Disney's official line is that they're not collecting fingerprints, just mathematical representations of same.

But those mathematical representations are exactly what you need if you want to join up two fingerprint databases, like Disney's and the NSA's -- while the NSA may store photos of fingerprints, they work with hashes of them, using those mathematical representations to compare and sort prints. Saying that you only store the mathematical representations of a fingerprint is like saying that you only store the mathematical representations of a JPEG, not the actual paint, canvas and frame that it depicts. It's true, but it sure doesn't mean that you haven't captured something important.

Now that our national immune system has begun to attack us in a terrible anaphylactic spasm -- indiscriminate NSA wiretaps, meaningless TSA security theater, secret aviation rules and no-fly lists, "free speech zones," suspension of habeas corpus and all the rest -- it's absolutely irresponsible to gather this kind of information and leave it where the savage toddlers of the national security apparat might find it and wreak havoc with it.

For me, the worst part of this is that it conditions us to get used to being treated like crooks. If you were asked for a fingerprint when you bought a doughnut, you'd rightly leave the store. Why should an amusement park get a walk?

For years, Disney has recorded onto tickets the geometry and shape of visitors’ fingers to prevent ticket fraud or resale, as an alternative to time-consuming photo identification checks.

By the end of September, all of the geometry readers at Disney’s four Orlando theme parks, which attract tens of millions of visitors each year, will be replaced with machines that scan fingerprint information, according to industry experts familiar with the technology...

However, the use of this technology has riled privacy advocates, who believe Disney has not fully disclosed the purpose of its new system. There are no signs posted at the entrance detailing what information is being collected and how it is being used. Attendants at the entrance will explain the system, if asked.

But Disney's Prunty downplayed privacy issues, saying the scanned information is stored "independent of all of our other systems," and "the system purges it 30 days after the ticket expires or is fully utilized." Visitors who object to the readers can provide photo identification instead – although the option is not advertised at the park entrance...

Coney fears Disney could share the fingerprint information. "If they maintain that data, it can be used for anything," Coney said. "If law enforcement shows up, they can gain access to it." Disney's privacy policy says that it may disclose personal information when doing so can help "protect your safety or security."

more info at boingboing.net
 
Troll Alert

If you don't like it please feel free Not to Go
WDW is not a right you can freely chose to go and play by their rules or not.
 
Ugh, talk about alarmist....Stay on the right side of the law and then perhaps you won't care.
 

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BeckWhy said:
What's a troll?


A person the lurks on the board (under a bridge) and just comes up to cause trouble.


As far as the fingerprints mine are already on file so I don't care know has them. :lmao:

You also have the option to just present valid ID as well.

I told DD that it was a small pinprick and they were taking DNA so when they redo IASWAA they are going to clone guest from the parks.
 
Step said:
Ok guys, this isn't actually his words, unless he is the blogger in question. The post came from Cory Doctorow at www.boingboing.net who posted in response to a post by John Frost at http://www.thedisneyblog.com/ which is affiliated with laughingplace.com. That post was based on a news article you can see here: http://newsinitiative.org/story/2006/08/14/walt_disney_world_the_governments

The person is just sharing information, please stop calling him a troll and flaming.



This is this person first post!! No profile either. Hard not to think that way!!

:stir: :stir: :furious: :stir: :stir:
 
I'm curious how showing a valid ID would even work? I bought our tickets online before our trip...they weren't attached to a room key-how would they know who's ticket it was? Kids (disney adults) 10+ usually don't have a photo id?
 
mickey's RFID said:
Coney fears Disney could share the fingerprint information. "If they maintain that data, it can be used for anything," Coney said. "If law enforcement shows up, they can gain access to it." Disney's privacy policy says that it may disclose personal information when doing so can help "protect your safety or security."

If law enforcement shows up for me, they can HAVE my fingerprints! I would volunteer them. See.... I'm on the right side of the law. I get my kids fingerprinted voluntarily too. LOL...
 
I really dont see a problem with them taking my fingerprints, in a way I thought it was a good idea so then nobody can just take your key card and use it for themselves because your prints wont match up. But thats just me and I dont case in trouble with the law.
 
I don't think anything of putting my fingers in that thing at all. Who cares. I am glad they cut out fraud because it is usually the honest people who end up paying for dishonest. Plus I feel safer knowing this in the end.
 
If this really troubles someone, I hope they are not there during my vacation :rotfl2: I say insert fingers and relax. No big deal. As with some of the OP mine are already on file :thumbsup2 If you are that paranoid, you wouldn't enjoy it anway, why are you even going :confused3
 
i had commented somewhere in ref. to this. we just got back this week. i thought the finger print thing is kinda stupid. i guess like the article in our boston globe says today, its so that people cannot give tickets away. i mean it was really not a big deal, but actually mine did not work everyday. every single day we had to re do mine a few times. so when you start having to do a few over and over it gets annoying , and takes times. they also did not tell us, or anyone, or was it posted that we could of used id photo. i prob. would of did that instead, i think it would be easier. oh well, whatever just my comment. we go every year, except last summer. we will keep on going whether its fingerprints or toe prints...........hahd
 
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I taught my so to never feed the trolls...I'm sorry...I couldnt resist. Please DONT FEED THE TROLLS! :rotfl:

Oh and please don't visit Disney if you don't like the rules.
 
i'm pretty sure not everyone has to do the finger print scan. i thought it was for season pass holders and park hopper tickets.
 
LiLIrishChick63 said:
i'm pretty sure not everyone has to do the finger print scan. i thought it was for season pass holders and park hopper tickets.

Even AP and Multi-day pass holders can choose not to do the fingerprint and show photo ID instead. Disney states that they are not storing a map of your fingerprint, but only a number that they get by measuering the space between certian points. So even if they were to pass this info on to someone, it would not be usefull.
We trust Disney to feed us, keep us safe on the attractions and in the park, but we suddenly think they are up to no good with our fingerprints. I am sure that the new system is just to replace the old 2 finger machines I heard so many horror stories about.
 
The lines certainly seem to move much faster with the one finger scan..... now the only problem is if the machine has trouble reading the pass or if people get in line with out having their tickets ready!
 





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