walking a reservation for Dec. 2017

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I'm planning a trip to Disney next November 29 - December 7, 2017 staying at Bay Lake Towers. I'm hoping for a 1 bedroom standard room. Will I need to walk this reservation in order to reserve a standard room or do you think I can just make this reservation. Thanks.
 
Hopefully drusba, our availability expert, will see this and reply. But my sense is that 1 bedrooms are usually the easiest to get so if you log on and book immediately when the 11 month window opens, I would think you would be successful.
 
I doubt it. I've never had to walk a 1 bedroom standard view at the BWV for any time of the year. I just make it online at 8 am Eastern when the window opens. Hope to go at about the same time and I don't plan to walk my reservation, even though it will almost certainly begin midweek.
 

Nov 29, 2017 will be a Wednesday. It was a Tuesday in 2016 and the Wednesday was Nov 30. For 2016. Here is what happened 11 months out for Nov 29 and 30 this year for a BLT stand 1BR:

On Dec 29, Nov 29 disappeared about 40 minutes after 8 a.m. but Nov 27 and 28 were open and remained open for at least a week.

On Dec 30, Dec 31, and Jan 1, Nov 29 was still the only night booked full for late Nov and early Dec.

On Jan 2, the standard 1BR filled for Dec 1-4, but Nov 30 remained open.

The indication is that you are probably OK not walking. What I do not know is the impact of the BLT refurb. Typical refurbs begin on high floors and end on the low floors. If the BLT refurb is intended to be done before next Dec and DVC is not holding rooms out for possible refurb at that time, then probably no issues, but if that happens to be the time of year for when DVC believes the refurb will still be going on but getting near its end, then the possibility exists a number of standard rooms (all on low floors) could be held from being reserved at 11 months out, raising the odds that standard rooms could fill very quickly at or even before 11 months out for Nov 29 and 30. If you decide to walk, your best opportunity to start it will likely be Sat, Nov 25 or Sun Nov 26. You cannot really start before Nov 25 because the Wednesday, Thurs, and Fri of Thanksgiving week are themselves likely to be gone at or before 11 months out.
 
The indication is that you are probably OK not walking. What I do not know is the impact of the BLT refurb. Typical refurbs begin on high floors and end on the low floors. If the BLT refurb is intended to be done before next Dec and DVC is not holding rooms out for possible refurb at that time, then probably no issues, but if that happens to be the time of year for when DVC believes the refurb will still be going on but getting near its end, then the possibility exists a number of standard rooms (all on low floors) could be held from being reserved at 11 months out, raising the odds that standard rooms could fill very quickly at or even before 11 months out for Nov 29 and 30. If you decide to walk, your best opportunity to start it will likely be Sat, Nov 25 or Sun Nov 26. You cannot really start before Nov 25 because the Wednesday, Thurs, and Fri of Thanksgiving week are themselves likely to be gone at or before 11 months out.

The BLT refurb started a few months ago and is no longer listed on the online booking page. The assumption could be made that it is completed.
 
What I've found during that time of year is that there are folks walking up to Christmas that will walk through these dates temporarily taking up the availability. I tried booking Dec 2 2015, there was availability at 7:59 (or is it 5:59) and as soon as the clock ticked over the rooms were gone. I called member services and they said there were two standard 1BR's available on the 3rd. I tried again the next morning and timed the clock just right to get one of the two rooms. Very happy with myself about the accomplishment I continued to watch availability and in the following days availability opened on my dates. It didn't hang around too long (days not weeks), but you could have gotten a standard room after the 11 month window. That said, you did have to keep an eye on it to hit the window where it opened back up. Two last bits, 1) I think something should be done to limit walking, 2) The point savings on std views are great but if you can swing it the lake views are awesome. The lake views are also much easier to book, we booked the week before Christmas this year at about 8 months. Good luck with your reservation.
 
..........(snip)........ Two last bits, 1) I think something should be done to limit walking, 2)............

What would you suggest? Honestly, as much as I dislike the practice, I can't think of a "cure" that wouldn't be worse than the "disease". Closest I can come is "no dropping days at the beginning of a reservations until 10 months prior to arrival". But of course, that favors the owners with large contracts. Maybe that's OK. YMMV.
 
What would you suggest? Honestly, as much as I dislike the practice, I can't think of a "cure" that wouldn't be worse than the "disease". Closest I can come is "no dropping days at the beginning of a reservations until 10 months prior to arrival". But of course, that favors the owners with large contracts. Maybe that's OK. YMMV.
You could try limiting the number of reservation transactions before charging a fee. Say, 5 changes to a reservation before a painful but still manageable fee, maybe $25? You would need a way to delineate a reservation change from a new reservation and this could be done by looking at time between. Maybe as long as there is no date overlap you call it a new reservation, point would be not to restrict folks from changing their plans but to limit walking.
 
Any solution that forbids walking would not result in assuring that members get the rooms they want at 11 months out. The issue that exists is that you have what has become a very high demand season with more and more members chasing the bargain point cost rooms which are limited in number.

One solution that I believe few would want is to disallow changes to any reservations except by completely cancelling the reservation you have and making another. You could revert to the old system, where you could reserve 11 months out from date of departure from WDW, under which members would start reserving one night 11 months out, e.g., Jan 2 to reserve night of Dec 1 with a Dec 2 departure date, and then the next day reserve the night of Dec 2, the following day Dec 3, etc, and after you are done getting all the nights you actually want, call MS and merge the reservations. You could do something like mentioned above, prohibit changing dates until 10 months out, which favors those with more points. (You could not under my understanding of the official POS documents create a reservation system that would, as suggested above, charge any fee for making or changing a DVC resort reservation; that is allowed for non-DVC reservations but would not be for DVC resort reservations.) But if you make any of those changes you still have essentially the same problem that needs correction. When you go online at 11 months out to get a time like Dec 1 for any lower cost rooms, you have a real risk of not getting them unless your computer communicates faster at 8 a.m. with Disney's computer than many of the others trying the same thing. In other words, you will still have the skewed demand problem that currently exists for many times during the last quarter of the year at WDW.

There is a solution and it is the one DVC is supposed to use when there is excessive seasonal demand, but it is one that no member who likes to get time in Oct, most of Nov, or first two weeks of Dec wants Disney to do. That solution is a point reallocation. Points for any night can be raised or lowered by up to 20% in any given year and you need to offset any increase with an equal decrease elsewhere. Though I have not thought through the process, and whether the change would logistically really need two rather than a single year to make, the solution to the current problem is to raise high demand choice and adventure times in the last quarter of the year by about 15% to 18%, while lowering the points needed by an equal total amount of points for what are now fairly low demand times in much of Feb, March, April, July after July 4 time, and possibly first half of August. What the change would effectively do is possibly put some more times in Dream season and have many more times in either a new season or a restructured Choice season that has points that are higher than the current Choice season and somewhat lower than current Dream season. Many might be happy with such a change, but a very large group would undoubtedly be extremely disappointed with that solution.
 
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EXACTLY! Any cure will be almost certainly be worse than the problem that currently exists. (And I refuse to believe any change will be implemented that causes more work for MS - such as keeping track of changes or taking lots more calls, even if software could be developed to do it). :)
 
I always thought the best, most fair system was the old way of booking from checkout date.
You had the option of day by day, but it wasn't endless like walking can be.

All that said, seeing as though I sold my DVC my opinion has no impact on anything..

MG
 
thanks everyone to your response. I'm hoping to land a standard view in order to get an extra night at WDW, if it doesn't work out than I'll be just as excited about the lake view and 1 less night.
 
I always thought the best, most fair system was the old way of booking from checkout date.
You had the option of day by day, but it wasn't endless like walking can be.

All that said, seeing as though I sold my DVC my opinion has no impact on anything..

MG

I thought that was a horrible system. You miss out on one day and you're in a mess, moving for one day etc. etc. I still recall all the complaints at the time. Considering that this is a points system and no one is guaranteed any particular room I think the check in plus 7 booking is much better. VGF is about the only resort where one does run the risk in early Dec of not getting the size villa they want (but they did sell fixed weeks there if one absolutely had to have it) but everywhere else it's just about the category, not about getting a room.
 
I thought that was a horrible system. You miss out on one day and you're in a mess, moving for one day etc. etc. I still recall all the complaints at the time. Considering that this is a points system and no one is guaranteed any particular room I think the check in plus 7 booking is much better. VGF is about the only resort where one does run the risk in early Dec of not getting the size villa they want (but they did sell fixed weeks there if one absolutely had to have it) but everywhere else it's just about the category, not about getting a room.
But at least there was an end point. With booking forward one could choose to start walking a year in advance (not that anyone actually would). I don't really remember people getting worked up over that system. I do remember people wondering if they had to book day by day, but it was fair.

If you missed a day and were "in a mess", that just shows that day by day was necessary, or conversely walking would be necessary. Either way if you miss a day...... You get my point.

Anyway, that's ancient history and as iv said, I no longer have a dog in the fight.

MG
 
But at least there was an end point. With booking forward one could choose to start walking a year in advance (not that anyone actually would). I don't really remember people getting worked up over that system. I do remember people wondering if they had to book day by day, but it was fair.

As I mentioned, my memory is different. The angst was both before when worrying about booking the days and after when people didn't get all the days they needed.

The rest - the walking - mostly not needed (which to me says day by day wasn't needed either). So, we have different conclusions and memories about the processes.
 
I am currently walking a reservation for Nov 11-18, 2017. Started 2 weeks ago. This is for a standard studio at VGF. I have never walked and know I am extremely early. But this is for a family members honeymoon so I didn't want to take any chances.

I started my walk 3rd week of September ( beginning of FW). As far as VGF is concerned it has been available up to this past weekend for 7 consecutive nights ( so far my current ressie ends 10/14/17). What I have noticed is the first week of October, BWV standard, BLT standard, and AKV value studios all have less then a week availability and are obviously being walked.

My biggest concern for walking this ressie is getting through FW, Jersey week and those walking for Thanksgiving . I'll post more observations as I walk through the rest of October .
 
Day by day may have been a pain, I did it once, but I think walking should not be allowed. Day by day gave everyone the same chance at a room, walking does not. Every time I am asked about my DVC Member Satisfaction I tell them this.
 
I was not happy when DVC went to the check-in plus 7 system instead of day by day. But now I am very glad they did.

It's absolutely true that there will always be more demand for some villas / dates than the system has space to accommodate. IMO. it's much better for the system and members overall to not have vacations with "holes in the middle" right from the get-go.. Day by day created a lot of unnecessary activity for MS (so more costly for the system and Disney). I'm virtually certain that the burden on MS was either costing Disney money or threatening to do so and that's what drove the change.

Day by day grew to the point it was clearly out of control. Members were day by day calling for SSR reservations!! Totally not necessary. Back then, even NYE didn't sell out at SSR on the first day the window opened.

I agree with Kat - walking is necessary ONLY for a small select group of villas for certain times of the year, usually the least expensive ones.
 



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