VWL is now Boulder Ridge

[GoofyDisneyDaddy]

When we were there last month, we had a corner villa overlooking the construction of the south wing/new villas. All the walls/rooms themselves are gone! We watched workers walk straight thru from one side of the building to another (see pic). The only things standing were the supports. This would make a strong case to me they will be doing all options of villas - studios, 1 BR, and 2 BR (maybe even a GV) - since they are starting from a blank canvas and can choose any configuration they want.
The draw for these new villas I can see: (1) all options: studios, 1 BR, 2 BR, (2) with a better/new configuration over existing (maybe even a little more lavish), (3) villas on the 7th floor - high probability of CL, (4) later expiration date. Add all that up = almost Poly point levels and costs IMO. The wild card of course is the cabins. No idea if they will be 2 BR, GV, or what but I would hope they learned their mistakes from the Bungalows and will do a better job. But also part of the higher costs across the board.

(1) All options: studios, 1 BR, 2BR. This is irrelevant for point per unit vs Boulder Ridge, as BR has that.
(2) Better/New Configuration. This is the only place to really distinguish Boulder vs Copper Creek. Still, unless the units are significantly bigger or much nicer (which, itself would seem odd), it will be hard to justify spending much more points per night on this.
(3) CL level, these would demand higher points. But that doesn't mean a regular studio at Boulder vs Copper Creek should.
(4) Expiration date. This is irrelevant for points per unit.

 

[sleepydog25]

When we were there last month, we had a corner villa overlooking the construction of the south wing/new villas. All the walls/rooms themselves are gone! We watched workers walk straight thru from one side of the building to another (see pic). The only things standing were the supports. This would make a strong case to me they will be doing all options of villas - studios, 1 BR, and 2 BR (maybe even a GV) - since they are starting from a blank canvas and can choose any configuration they want.
The draw for these new villas I can see: (1) all options: studios, 1 BR, 2 BR, (2) with a better/new configuration over existing (maybe even a little more lavish), (3) villas on the 7th floor - high probability of CL, (4) later expiration date. Add all that up = almost Poly point levels and costs IMO. The wild card of course is the cabins. No idea if they will be 2 BR, GV, or what but I would hope they learned their mistakes from the Bungalows and will do a better job. But also part of the higher costs across the board.

Thanks for the pic! Agree with your reasoning, though I'm unconvinced on the CL aspect (which doesn't mean it won't happen).

I think it will be very hard for DVC to justify why Copper Creek should be more points per night for a unit of similar size to Boulder Ridge (doesn't mean they won't try, though). They can't lower the price per point, but Boulder Ridge is much lower points per unit than BLT, Poly, or VGF. Aside from the cabins, the units aren't really "newer" as the main building is older. Yes, they were recently constructed (I'd say renovated, really), but all villas are refurbished over time.

Never underestimate Disney's gree--er, financial mindset. However, you make a valid point.

 

[sleepydog25]

(1) All options: studios, 1 BR, 2BR. This is irrelevant for point per unit vs Boulder Ridge, as BR has that.
(2) Better/New Configuration. This is the only place to really distinguish Boulder vs Copper Creek. Still, unless the units are significantly bigger or much nicer (which, itself would seem odd), it will be hard to justify spending much more points per night on this.
(3) CL level, these would demand higher points. But that doesn't mean a regular studio at Boulder vs Copper Creek should.
(4) Expiration date. This is irrelevant for points per unit.

You make solid points, but the cachet of having a new DVC resort is cause enough to bump up prices and point per unit. I do expect the new suites to be nicer than classic VWL--the refurb there a couple of years ago was a very bland, muted effort and didn't include stripping them down to a blank slate. As for the expiration date, I do believe that's considered a bonus not only by Disney but by new buyers, as well. Whether it should be considered relevant is certainly a topic worthy of debate but being able to say, "Hey, we're offering this brand new resort, brand new furnishings, and you can enjoy these for the next 50 years!" is definitely a draw to which Disney will appeal.

 

[Granny]

I think it will be very hard for DVC to justify why Copper Creek should be more points per night for a unit of similar size to Boulder Ridge (doesn't mean they won't try, though). They can't lower the price per point, but Boulder Ridge is much lower points per unit than BLT, Poly, or VGF. Aside from the cabins, the units aren't really "newer" as the main building is older. Yes, they were recently constructed (I'd say renovated, really), but all villas are refurbished over time.

I wouldn't underestimate Disney and their power of imagination when it comes to designing new resorts to make them enhanced over existing ones. As for the points per night schedule:

• I think one thing they can do is design the 1BR and 2BR villas at CCV with the sleeper chair and/or add the drop down bed. Either would constitute a clear enhancement over VWL layouts. Who knows, they might even add a sleeper chair to the studios.

• They could add an extra bathroom to 1BR/2BR layouts similar to AKV & BLT. Again, that would be a very large enhancement.

• They could actually use theming in their decor, which they stripped at VWL during the latest refurb. While that's not much, it would constitute an enhancement.

• They could come up with some other gizmo just to pump up the allure of CCV. Who knows...but relatively small things like Keurig coffee makers, or other perks could allow Disney sales people to trumpet the point schedule as valid.

I don't see Disney going backwards in the nightly point schedule. If a prospective buyer is well-informed and knows about the older resorts point schedules, the sales person will turn that into "you can always stay at those resorts even if you don't own there". So they can point out why CCV is worth more per night than VWL but have that "just buy here and you can save points any time you like by reserving other resorts" option in their back pocket.

Of course, all this is speculation, but that's fun too. As @sleepydog25 indicated, Disney's motivation is to squeeze as much as possible from DVC owners. To do that, they need a high price per point and a high nightly point schedule.

 

[GoofyDisneyDaddy]

Just so I'm clear, I don't really expect them to offer them for too much lower per night, and I agree with the posts above. I just think it will be a fun dance for Disney when Boulder Ridge is 20 pts per night and Copper Creek is 24 pts per night for what would otherwise be the same resort, room type, and pretty much sameish experience. Just eyeballing it, BLT/Poly is 20% more than Boulder Ridge. Is an extra bathroom, "updated" layout, or whatever worth 20% more? Disney will try to convince us so.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

When we were there last month, we had a corner villa overlooking the construction of the south wing/new villas. All the walls/rooms themselves are gone! We watched workers walk straight thru from one side of the building to another (see pic). The only things standing were the supports. This would make a strong case to me they will be doing all options of villas - studios, 1 BR, and 2 BR (maybe even a GV) - since they are starting from a blank canvas and can choose any configuration they want.
The draw for these new villas I can see: (1) all options: studios, 1 BR, 2 BR, (2) with a better/new configuration over existing (maybe even a little more lavish), (3) villas on the 7th floor - high probability of CL, (4) later expiration date. Add all that up = almost Poly point levels and costs IMO. The wild card of course is the cabins. No idea if they will be 2 BR, GV, or what but I would hope they learned their mistakes from the Bungalows and will do a better job. But also part of the higher costs across the board.

I could see where they might do GV's at the end of the wing - looking out towards Bay Lake. Not certain they would do that along with the cabins but maybe.

 

[sleepydog25]

Just so I'm clear, I don't really expect them to offer them for too much lower per night, and I agree with the posts above. I just think it will be a fun dance for Disney when Boulder Ridge is 20 pts per night and Copper Creek is 24 pts per night for what would otherwise be the same resort, room type, and pretty much sameish experience. Just eyeballing it, BLT/Poly is 20% more than Boulder Ridge. Is an extra bathroom, "updated" layout, or whatever worth 20% more? Disney will try to convince us so.

Yep, can see that conversation with the salesperson now: "So, you're telling me I have to spend not only more money to buy into this CCVC resort, but it will cost me an extra 40-50 points a week to do so over the older, co-located VWL?!" (Ed. note: not calling it BRV. . .)

 

[horselover]

I wouldn't underestimate Disney and their power of imagination when it comes to designing new resorts to make them enhanced over existing ones. As for the points per night schedule:

• I think one thing they can do is design the 1BR and 2BR villas at CCV with the sleeper chair and/or add the drop down bed. Either would constitute a clear enhancement over VWL layouts. Who knows, they might even add a sleeper chair to the studios.

• They could add an extra bathroom to 1BR/2BR layouts similar to AKV & BLT. Again, that would be a very large enhancement.

• They could actually use theming in their decor, which they stripped at VWL during the latest refurb. While that's not much, it would constitute an enhancement.

• They could come up with some other gizmo just to pump up the allure of CCV. Who knows...but relatively small things like Keurig coffee makers, or other perks could allow Disney sales people to trumpet the point schedule as valid.

I don't see Disney going backwards in the nightly point schedule. If a prospective buyer is well-informed and knows about the older resorts point schedules, the sales person will turn that into "you can always stay at those resorts even if you don't own there". So they can point out why CCV is worth more per night than VWL but have that "just buy here and you can save points any time you like by reserving other resorts" option in their back pocket.

Of course, all this is speculation, but that's fun too. As @sleepydog25 indicated, Disney's motivation is to squeeze as much as possible from DVC owners. To do that, they need a high price per point and a high nightly point schedule.

With squeeze being the optimal word. Milk that cow until it's dry!

 

[APiratesLifeForMe2]

Copper creek may get more trees but I'm worried that boulder ridge will get boulders.

Bill

I sure hope not but then again they didn't name it Pine Ridge Villas.

 

[BWV Dreamin]

Personally? Disney may name my resort anything it likes .

What they may NOT do is to alter my property description, or make me pay for work THEY chose to do.

So - let's see what happens. WATCH the 2017 dues, by line item.

Dean please post any info once you have it. It would be greatly appreciated.

 

[DebbieB]

Yep, can see that conversation with the salesperson now: "So, you're telling me I have to spend not only more money to buy into this CCVC resort, but it will cost me an extra 40-50 points a week to do so over the older, co-located VWL?!" (Ed. note: not calling it BRV. . .)

I think they will use a similar situation like GF. You pay more for "main building" than "outer buildings". Main building is closer to restaurants, front desk, main pool.

More points per night brings down the dues per point cost, which is one of the reasons they are doing it with the new resorts.

 

[thebigman65]

Ok....sorry for being a newbie on this one....so what I am hearing is the new wing of dvc rooms along with the cabins will be a "new"dvc resort call Boulder something or other.....and the existing dvc villas are still vwl?.....or is the whole darn thing being changed to Boulder whatever.....my question would be what happens to the existing ownerships if the latter is the case.....not sure I'm making sense....it's a little confusing.....

 

[GoofyDisneyDaddy]

Ok....sorry for being a newbie on this one....so what I am hearing is the new wing of dvc rooms along with the cabins will be a "new"dvc resort call Boulder something or other.....and the existing dvc villas are still vwl?.....or is the whole darn thing being changed to Boulder whatever.....my question would be what happens to the existing ownerships if the latter is the case.....not sure I'm making sense....it's a little confusing.....

Both wrong. Old (current) WVL is now Boulder Ridge. New stuff will be a new and "separate" DVC called Copper Creek.

Nothing happens to existing owners. All their rights stay the same, the resort just changed names, but the titles will remain the same.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

Ok....sorry for being a newbie on this one....so what I am hearing is the new wing of dvc rooms along with the cabins will be a "new"dvc resort call Boulder something or other.....and the existing dvc villas are still vwl?.....or is the whole darn thing being changed to Boulder whatever.....my question would be what happens to the existing ownerships if the latter is the case.....not sure I'm making sense....it's a little confusing.....

It's going to be confusing for a long time I think since it's going to be 2 associations at the same resort. As mentioned, existing owners get the "Boulder's". That was officially changed in Oct so anything online now refers to Boulder Ridge Villas which is the old VWL. The hotel conversion and cabins get the "Copper Creek".

 

[lbwilliams]

Personally? Disney may name my resort anything it likes .

What they may NOT do is to alter my property description, or make me pay for work THEY chose to do.

So - let's see what happens. WATCH the 2017 dues, by line item.

I just bought BLT so this January will be my first set of dues. Do we actually get an itemized breakdown of how dues are calculated?

 

[DenLo]

You do get a breakout but it does not show all expenses. The DVC News has an article showing a spreadsheet listing the items shown on our annual dues statements. 2016 Resort Budgets

 

[thebigman65]

Both wrong. Old (current) WVL is now Boulder Ridge. New stuff will be a new and "separate" DVC called Copper Creek.

Nothing happens to existing owners. All their rights stay the same, the resort just changed names, but the titles will remain the same.

So the new dvc rooms in the resort.....the existing dvc rooms and the new cabins are all copper Creek?.....and the resort is now Bolder Ridge?

 

[GoofyDisneyDaddy]

So the new dvc rooms in the resort.....the existing dvc rooms and the new cabins are all copper Creek?.....and the resort is now Bolder Ridge?

NO. The current DVC wing is now called Boulder Ridge (what everyone used to call Villas at Wilderness Lodge, is now Boulder Ridge).

The new rooms in the main lodge building and the new cabins are Copper Creek. These are not for sale yet, but when they are, they will be part of a new DVC called Copper Creek.

There are going to be two DVC as the Wilderness Lodge Resort. The old DVC is called Boulder Ridge. The new DVC is called Copper Creek.

 

[sleepydog25]

So the new dvc rooms in the resort.....the existing dvc rooms and the new cabins are all copper Creek?.....and the resort is now Bolder Ridge?

What Goofy and KAT said, plus in case it's not clear, the current VWL owners (or as Disney is wont to call it, BRV) will not get the 11-month booking window for Copper Creek (CCVC) since it will be an entirely new DVC resort. To book at 11 months, you'll have to own points at CCVC which, as stated, hasn't been offered for sale yet (and likely won't for several months).

 

[thebigman65]

NO. The current DVC wing is now called Boulder Ridge (what everyone used to call Villas at Wilderness Lodge, is now Boulder Ridge).

The new rooms in the main lodge building and the new cabins are Copper Creek. These are not for sale yet, but when they are, they will be part of a new DVC called Copper Creek.

There are going to be two DVC as the Wilderness Lodge Resort. The old DVC is called Boulder Ridge. The new DVC is called Copper Creek.

Not too confusing once explained....lol....that's kind of different though. Unlike anything DVC has done before, two separate DVC in the same location. I don't own VWL, but I bet people who own there thought they would be able to book the cabins and new DVC rooms with their booking window.....or was it always known it was a separate DVC?