VWL Groupies & Lovers Thread (Special Collectors Edition 2.5) updated 2 February 2025

Well boo hoo. We just decided to postpone our trip that was to start the end of next week. Between having a young unvaccinated and with odds sounding high of catching Omicron or flu and having to sit in the room for 5+ days or else high odds of flight cancellations we decided we'll reschedule and hopefully thing will have blown thru. Our BLT TPV (sigh - I do like that category!) will get cancelled as well as our Sea World and Universal days and the hunt for new dates begins. Had been looking forward to Festival of the Arts for the 1st time but Flower and Garden is always good too. It's been my favorite Epcot festival so switching to it is certainly not a bad thing. :)
 
Well boo hoo. We just decided to postpone our trip that was to start the end of next week. Between having a young unvaccinated and with odds sounding high of catching Omicron or flu and having to sit in the room for 5+ days or else high odds of flight cancellations we decided we'll reschedule and hopefully thing will have blown thru. Our BLT TPV (sigh - I do like that category!) will get cancelled as well as our Sea World and Universal days and the hunt for new dates begins. Had been looking forward to Festival of the Arts for the 1st time but Flower and Garden is always good too. It's been my favorite Epcot festival so switching to it is certainly not a bad thing. :)
Better to be safe but disappointing non the less…
 
KAT
Im sorry you had to cancel, but its good to know you have something on the horizon to look forward too. Casey was looking back last night at all the performers we would have seen at Garden Rocks 2020 the days we had booked as the pandemic was setting in in March. I miss that and look forward to days ahead myself to be able to return to the festivals.
 
Well boo hoo. We just decided to postpone our trip that was to start the end of next week. Between having a young unvaccinated and with odds sounding high of catching Omicron or flu and having to sit in the room for 5+ days or else high odds of flight cancellations we decided we'll reschedule and hopefully thing will have blown thru. Our BLT TPV (sigh - I do like that category!) will get cancelled as well as our Sea World and Universal days and the hunt for new dates begins. Had been looking forward to Festival of the Arts for the 1st time but Flower and Garden is always good too. It's been my favorite Epcot festival so switching to it is certainly not a bad thing. :)
Are you cancelling a DVC room? What are the current restrictions on holding points?
Just curious as I have a 5 night trip in March (not BLT) you may be interested in that I'm dragging my heels on cancelling. I don't want to... but have to. Don't want to... but...

... you get it, you've been doing the same here :)
 

Are you cancelling a DVC room? What are the current restrictions on holding points?
Just curious as I have a 5 night trip in March (not BLT) you may be interested in that I'm dragging my heels on cancelling. I don't want to... but have to. Don't want to... but...

... you get it, you've been doing the same here :)

Yes, it was a DVC booking - a 2BR. I was going to cancel online as holding points don't really bother me too much but ran across a post just before doing it that was recommending to someone else to call in and I decided I might as well too and see what they'd say. Not the best day to call in as I had to dial 7 or 8 times before it stopped being a busy signal once I selected Option #1 for MS. Then a 30 minute wait which I decided wasn't too bad after the busy signal. :laughing: I was imagining at least an hour or two! Anyway I told the CM we had decided we didn't feel comfortable going next week and needed to cancel and she offered to remove the holding so we have a little more leeway to rebook. Very nice of her to do.

What dates and resort are you booked at in March? There was an SSR 2BR available in the 1st week of March that was just outside my 60 day window and it was gone by the time I had called MS and they removed the holding restrictions. Now it's looking like the end of March into the beginning of April before there's availability at SSR or OKW to replace our week. Keeping an eye out for cancellations though! I completely get dragging the feet. We suspected we should cancel a week or two ago but were holding out for a minor miracle that the worst would blow thru faster than predicted.
 
Yes, it was a DVC booking - a 2BR. I was going to cancel online as holding points don't really bother me too much but ran across a post just before doing it that was recommending to someone else to call in and I decided I might as well too and see what they'd say. Not the best day to call in as I had to dial 7 or 8 times before it stopped being a busy signal once I selected Option #1 for MS. Then a 30 minute wait which I decided wasn't too bad after the busy signal. :laughing: I was imagining at least an hour or two! Anyway I told the CM we had decided we didn't feel comfortable going next week and needed to cancel and she offered to remove the holding so we have a little more leeway to rebook. Very nice of her to do.

What dates and resort are you booked at in March? There was an SSR 2BR available in the 1st week of March that was just outside my 60 day window and it was gone by the time I had called MS and they removed the holding restrictions. Now it's looking like the end of March into the beginning of April before there's availability at SSR or OKW to replace our week. Keeping an eye out for cancellations though! I completely get dragging the feet. We suspected we should cancel a week or two ago but were holding out for a minor miracle that the worst would blow thru faster than predicted.
Messaging you. I doubt you'll want our room(s) as it's a studio - maybe some others on here have something
 
Now, for some observations and recommendations from our trip. . .

We arrived on 22 Dec around 3 p.m. after a six-hour drive (that usually takes only 5 hours). Literally, as we walked through the front doorway of the Lodge, we got a "room ready" text. Ah, the scent, the sights, the soaring architecture--marvelous as always. The scent was harder to detect given the wearing of masks, but after 15 seconds or so, we finally got the whiffs of that unmistakable Lodge homecoming scent. The VWL building itself was even stronger, partially because that leather/woodsy aroma was mixed in with the current and ubiquitous 50th anniversary scent, Iridescents. Yes, that's an actual thing, and it's overpoweringly obnoxious. Anyway, we were assigned 4537 and it was a great room (I posted previous pics from the balcony).

On to my random notes:
- Recommend Amare restaurant at the new Swan Reserve hotel. Similar to Topolino's with some excellent Mediterranean selections such as lamb/beef polpetti meatballs, charred octopus, fried calamari, and manti--which are similar to ravioli and stuffed with lamb. The meatballs and octopus were topnotch, the manti good, and the calamari decent. Service was also good.
- Geyser Point was only okay; they no longer serve their scrumptious waffle fries. "Oh, we might get them back sometime in the spring," claimed our server. Sigh. The cheesy beef brisket dip was mildly disappointing as the original brisket feel has given way to more of a ground beef texture and seemed sweeter than I recall. The house made chips were plentiful, however. And, the low couch-like chairs and tables in the main dining area have been replaced by actual chairs and tables which allows for more people to sit there now--a good thing. The old seats/tables are now out by the water and do not qualify as tables to be serviced by the wait staff. You can order food to go and sit there, but the servers don't actually go to those locations.
- Can't say enough about on off-site restaurant, BiCE. It's located at the Portofino Hotel at Universal Studios. We'd been there before and loved it--our return trip this year only amplified our feelings. I had the osso buco with saffron risotto while Luv had the penne arrabiata with shrimp. Simply stunning. Their wine list is extensive, too, so you can definitely find a wine to suit your tastes. We sat outside on their balcony that overlooked the "lake" around which Portofino sits. Service was impeccable, and the bread service (comes with the meal) was topnotch with extremely fresh EVOO and a balsamic vinegar as dipping sauces. We Lyfted there and back so as to not have to drive in the holiday traffic, especially after having some wine with our meals.
- Decorations do seem to be a bit muted. Even the tree in the Lodge seemed so, although in comparing pictures from a couple of years ago, there doesn't seem to be much change. They have taken out some of the color of the baubles that adorn the tree, it appears, and replaced them with more muted items. The parade we caught also seemed, well, tamped down a bit. As witnessed in the pictures I posted above, there were fewer characters: only four gingerbread people, five soldiers (none with horns), and only seven reindeer including a no-show by Rudolph. Further, I counted 15 characters in and around the opening float in this same parade from two years ago, yet there were only 10 in and around the same float this year. Moreover, there were fewer actual vehicles/floats, ergo, a shorter parade. Yes, this might have to do with Covid, but Disney has a way of reducing events and people with clearly logical reasoning and then never getting back to the original version.
- The original nature trail is almost completely grown over. We had thoughts about climbing over the fence and walking down it anyway, but I figured with our luck, some nascent security guard stumbling across us and booting us out of the hotel. We also walked over to the once well-used paved bike/walking path to FW, and it, too, is overgrown and mostly ripped up what we could see of it. They had no trespassing and not photography signs there, but I took a couple of shots anyway. I believe I posted a pic earlier, but I'll do so again so you don't have to go hunting.
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This trail ain't coming back, at least not in the foreseeable future. What a loss.
- We only hit two of the four parks by choice. We did DHS early in order to go on RnR and ToT, then sat down on a bench with a Starbucks latte and people-watched. A big, extended family of all adults did a TikTok challenge right in front of us, and I wound up taking a group photo for them. The other park obviously was MK, and we made the EMH that morning, too, but naturally, the only lands open were Fantasy and Tomorrow, so our options were limited--all we did was IASW and then waited to walk with several hundred people at rope drop to head over to BTMR and then POTC before calling it a morning and having a quick meal before settling in at our spot to watch the parade at noon. The parks were crowded, but we weren't in them long enough for it to matter.
- Much of our leisure time we spent sitting on the balcony or lounging in the hot tub at the quiet pool. Of course, we did sit at the fireplaces in the VWL building, though the smaller fireplace nook to the right when you first enter the VWL lobby was only lighted the first two days we were there. Overall, the whole resort (WL, that is) seemed, well, muted. The decorations are mostly all there...but not entirely. The CMs were fewer (again, scant bell service personnel) and the flickering lanterns weren't. Although the majesty of the grand dame WL is still there, some of the warmth and excitement has wandered off. No longer are you guaranteed to be warmly greeted out front by a CM or be met by someone who will gladly help you with your luggage.

Overall, we enjoyed our trip, savored parts of it, but in this one man's opinion, Disney has let some of the mystique and embrace of the Lodge disappear, and I fear they'll not bring it back. If you have any questions, feel free to ask, my fellow Groupies!

Sleepy, so sad to hear I missed you. Would have liked to grab a cocktail at GP or TL, and finally meet you in person. We spent much of our time on the 25th & 26th at the quiet pool. Well, that will teach me to do a better job of checking in on the Groupies thread before I travel next time. In truth, I had a hard time getting up for the trip as this COVID world has significantly soured my mood. Fortunately, once I arrived I adapted to the situation and enjoyed myself.
 
Well boo hoo. We just decided to postpone our trip that was to start the end of next week. Between having a young unvaccinated and with odds sounding high of catching Omicron or flu and having to sit in the room for 5+ days or else high odds of flight cancellations we decided we'll reschedule and hopefully thing will have blown thru. Our BLT TPV (sigh - I do like that category!) will get cancelled as well as our Sea World and Universal days and the hunt for new dates begins. Had been looking forward to Festival of the Arts for the 1st time but Flower and Garden is always good too. It's been my favorite Epcot festival so switching to it is certainly not a bad thing. :)


Kathy...I feel your pain. We cancelled our December trip, and just cancelled our upcoming February trip. Our next attempt will be for early May. We're keeping our fingers crossed that the warmer weather will bring this virus down quite a bit. At this point, our last trip to WDW was in October, 2019. So by May we will be closing in on 3 years! Thank goodness for the point rental option, which we have had to use and probably will again with our latest cancellation.
 
Sleepy, so sad to hear I missed you. Would have liked to grab a cocktail at GP or TL, and finally meet you in person. We spent much of our time on the 25th & 26th at the quiet pool. Well, that will teach me to do a better job of checking in on the Groupies thread before I travel next time. In truth, I had a hard time getting up for the trip as this COVID world has significantly soured my mood. Fortunately, once I arrived I adapted to the situation and enjoyed myself.
Perhaps our paths crossed and we didn't know it, as we were at the quiet pool jacuzzi a couple of times in the middle of the day. Next time!
 
I was just looking at early May - pre Covid our annual trips were typically early May, September, and the occasional December stay. There is pretty limited availability at BC or BWV, which we prefer during F&G.
 
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KAT
Im sorry you had to cancel, but its good to know you have something on the horizon to look forward too. Casey was looking back last night at all the performers we would have seen at Garden Rocks 2020 the days we had booked as the pandemic was setting in in March. I miss that and look forward to days ahead myself to be able to return to the festivals.

I remember meeting a great Groupie family from North Carolina at a Garden Rocks concert a few years ago! :teeth: Had to look back at pictures to see who the band was - Alan Parsons Project Live. Good times! Not too much information on the bands for this year yet. What I can't believe is that Flower and Garden is running from March 2nd to July 4th. We were there a couple of times towards late May and the poor flowers were looking a bit beaten down by the heat so I'm curious to learn how they manage it all this year.
 
I was trying to book for December 2022 right at 8:00 and all studios are gone for the 9th!! Are they opening booking earlier than 8:00? So frustrated!
 
I was trying to book for December 2022 right at 8:00 and all studios are gone for the 9th!! Are they opening booking earlier than 8:00? So frustrated!

Most or all of them were probably already booked by people arriving earlier in the week. If there was availability showing then it wouldn't have been for all the studios but just a few, maybe even just one, so it's the lucky few who are fastest on their computers who get them when the window opens at 8am. I'd say VWL has been the toughest this year for every type of room.
 
Kathy...I feel your pain. We cancelled our December trip, and just cancelled our upcoming February trip. Our next attempt will be for early May. We're keeping our fingers crossed that the warmer weather will bring this virus down quite a bit. At this point, our last trip to WDW was in October, 2019. So by May we will be closing in on 3 years! Thank goodness for the point rental option, which we have had to use and probably will again with our latest cancellation.

Sorry to hear that you are cancelling another one too Granny. :sad1: I've done more renting than visiting in the past 2 years but happy to have that available. My last trip was DL in late Feb 2020 just as things were starting to come out about Covid. WDW was our New Years of 2020. It's been many years since it's been this long between trips! Zeroing in on reservations for the 1st week in April and keeping fingers crossed that this one sticks.
 
^ I sure hope you feel comfortable enough to go in April.

We were there for NYE this year, but after staying up to see the fireworks at MK on the 30th, we were too tired to enter Epcot on the 31st as was our plans. Sigh…I guess it’s OK that we won’t have AP’s that allow us to go in parks late December this year. :rolleyes:
 
Going on three days since the last Groupie post, and we're nearing the bottom of the fold. So, how about a shout out to the "frozen north" Groupies who are suffering through a cycle of bitter cold the past week plus. Stay warm out there and think of your home away from home: the Lodge and sitting in front of the fireplace in the Carrollwood Pacific room. pirate:
 
Going on three days since the last Groupie post, and we're nearing the bottom of the fold. So, how about a shout out to the "frozen north" Groupies who are suffering through a cycle of bitter cold the past week plus. Stay warm out there and think of your home away from home: the Lodge and sitting in front of the fireplace in the Carrollwood Pacific room. pirate:
Thats an excellent idea!
 
Even though we won't be going, I am excited to see the Garden Rocks lineup has been released, which makes me feel some "normalcy" is returning to the World(WDW). Hoping that maybe, just maybe we can make F&W fest this year!
 
Just checking in after the holidays! I try to read through your posts every few days, so I am up to date. Our next trip is scheduled for March 30th, so we will be closing in soon on the 60 day mark. I really need those annual passes to show up soon. I really thought by this time they would be back on sale. I even talked to a TA friend the other day, and she said she thought as soon as Christmas passed, they would be back on sale. She said the reason they stopped selling was because people were buying daily tickets for blackout dates, then bridging to annual pass that had blackout dates. I told her that I didn't think people were able to even do that, but that's what she heard.

We've had no luck with our waitlist for the trip either, but it's 8 days, so I'm not sure we'll have any luck. Would love to be at Boardwalk, but I don't think that will happen.
 
Just checking in after the holidays! I try to read through your posts every few days, so I am up to date. Our next trip is scheduled for March 30th, so we will be closing in soon on the 60 day mark. I really need those annual passes to show up soon. I really thought by this time they would be back on sale. I even talked to a TA friend the other day, and she said she thought as soon as Christmas passed, they would be back on sale. She said the reason they stopped selling was because people were buying daily tickets for blackout dates, then bridging to annual pass that had blackout dates. I told her that I didn't think people were able to even do that, but that's what she heard.

We've had no luck with our waitlist for the trip either, but it's 8 days, so I'm not sure we'll have any luck. Would love to be at Boardwalk, but I don't think that will happen.

That's the time we've ended up rescheduling for - March 31-Apr 9th. I've been spending some time checking availability since we decided to cancel our trip that should have started tomorrow and we now just need one more night on a second studio at PVB. Had the other night we were missing fill a couple of days ago. Good luck with your waitlist! I once had a Boardwalk view studio for a week that filled right at 31 days so it can happen!
 



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