very disturbing wreck scene UPDATE #48

[zachnsamsmommy]

I am going to stay out of the motorcycle debate .

About the OPs statement about praying for the girl who was in the other vehicle. Whether it was her fault or not, she will remember and relive it for the rest of her life. Even if she is cleared of all possible charges, I'm sure she will have many 'what ifs' about what could have prevented it. It is a sad situation all the way around .

My DS was 4 when we went on a Disney cruise, and we say a fatal wreck heading back home. We must have been there just moments after it happened. It was a mini-van (we couldn't see another vehicle) in the median, quite mangled, and a whole family obviously deceased, scattered about the median and the road. We couldn't cover DS's eyes in times. He is still terrified of being on the interstate for any reason, and he is 9. And I can remember the exact scene like it was yesterday. That is something you just can't get over.

So sorry to the OP and other's who have had to witness these horrible accidents

 

[Heidict]

funny thing, that is what all of you are doing about Motorcycle riders in general here! so if you cannot take the heat, stay out of the kitchen! I happen to ride, and I have been trained for many, many years...and I see the stupidest people doing things in their cars! and even in my truck! so...again I am standing up for riding, since you all seem to be bashing motorcycles! if you do not ride, you do not understand!

Huh? What kitchen are you talking about? What heat? That really made no sense. I'm just saying that you are doing exactly what you are telling other people not to do. In other words, you were being a hypocrite in your last post. Telling people not judge the motorcyclist and assume it's always his fault, yet you assume that it has to be the car drivers fault, oh and that if it was a woman she just had to be doing something besides driving and was distracted.

I have many friends that ride, and do so responsibly. I, however, was showing the other side. There will always be people, be it on a motorcycle or in a car, that drive irresponsibly and dangerously. Neither one is perfect and neither one is ALWAYS at fault.

 

[SundaeAfternoon]

and if it was a girl, I give it a 99% chance she was doing something she just should have not been doing! hope they throw the book at her!!!!

Like men aren't ever guilty of that?

 

[WeLoveLilo05]

How sad, I feel for all those involved and will be praying for the girl and all the family members of those involved, how awful! OP, !

No one really KNOWS what happened, if they girl was putting on make up, if the motorcyclist was cutting in and out of traffic, if the accidents was even avoidable, but pointing fingers is not going to change anything! The motorcyclists are gone (RIP) and that girl will never be the same and neither will both families. All we could go is pray for both families and hope that they somehow, someway find peace.

If I notice another driver doing something they shouldn't be doing, I stay far away from them. Last week going to the DRs a woman was putting on her full face while driving, I saw the mascara wand in the mirror, the powder puff, I am thinking to myself, OMG is this really worth it?!?! I'd rather look like crap than dead, or live with the fact that I killed someone b/c I was so vain!
When I see a motorcyclist, I do the same, I stay far away from them. Not saying that motorcyclists are BAD drivers or anything, but I get an awful image of a cyclist hitting a rock and losing control of the motorcycle and going through my windshield!

 

[MushyMushy]

funny thing, that is what all of you are doing about Motorcycle riders in general here! so if you cannot take the heat, stay out of the kitchen! I happen to ride, and I have been trained for many, many years...and I see the stupidest people doing things in their cars! and even in my truck! so...again I am standing up for riding, since you all seem to be bashing motorcycles! if you do not ride, you do not understand!

You're really not making any sense at all.

People do stupid things in vehicles, period. End of sentence. Again, nobody knows who was at fault in the OP's story, not even her and she was there. You're talking about throwing the book at somebody by making baseless assumptions.

 

[MzDiz]

funny thing, that is what all of you are doing about Motorcycle riders in general here! so if you cannot take the heat, stay out of the kitchen! I happen to ride, and I have been trained for many, many years...and I see the stupidest people doing things in their cars! and even in my truck! so...again I am standing up for riding, since you all seem to be bashing motorcycles! if you do not ride, you do not understand!

What?

Girls don't ride motorcycles anyway, they're all in cars... texting and putting on makeup at the same time. Getting books thrown at them...

 

[Mermaid02]

S will be getting a helmet!

That makes me happy!

 

[n2dzny]

I just have a min, but I wanted to update what I found out today.

Today on my way home from work, I stopped @ the house where the wreck occured and talked to the people that lived there (they ran out as soon as it happened). They said that the two people killed were married and that they were riding with another couple and that couple noticed that they were not behind them so they turned around and saw them on the ground. Also, the car had three teens in it and they were all taken to the hospital, treated and released. There is an investigation, so not sure yet who was @ fault. I also found out that they have four kids (the couple on the motor), the oldest is 17 (the friend riding told the lady whose house it happened in front of, the same lady I talked to). I told her that I couldnt get the teens in the car out of my mind, she said that she and her husband didnt sleep last night


All that being said, I am disappointed in what this has turned into. I appreciate the and kind words. I didnt mean for this to become a debate or for some ppl to get so defensive. I am too tired to copy and paste the quotes, but I want it noted that it was not my intention. I didnt place blame and I won't go there. I have no idea what happened, I just know that a tragedy occured yest and I was less than a minute behind it. I am making no assumptions and I wish the naysayers wouldnt either. As for "throwing the book" at the driver, that is a very cruel thing to say given the fact that we dont know what happened yet.

Also, there was a statement made about me saying that motorcycles arent safe and how I was lying to make my point....sorry if you think I was lying to make my point, I was shaken up. I didnt mean to offend you~whatever, lets not get off the original point of my post. I dont know what the statisctcs are but an educated guess would tell me that when a motorcycle is in a wreck, MORE TIMES THAN NOT someone dies....there, is that better?? It is not a crime to ride a motorcycle, I am not making judgements about ppl that ride them by making that statement, just saying something that I felt.

Again, thanks for the kind words and your stories. I will update when I find out the result of the investigation. I will be watching all the news sources, Im interested to find out.

 

[bumbershoot]

While this may be true--folks shouldn't post that EVERY accident involving a motorcycle is fatal. It's a lie in order to demonstrate how unsafe motorcycles are.

Aw, the OP was shaken up, and simply telling us about the conversation she'd had with her dad. That's all. It probably didn't come out how she meant it or how she said it with her dad.

ok, why is it people always "assumes" it was the motorcycle???? news flash! all the accidents I have seen have always been the "Cages" (cars for you non riders) that are NOT paying attention, you know...to busy texting, talking on phones....and they have always been at fault! Thank you to the dude in Daytona that offed my friend Tony, or my friend at four corners! I have lost several friends....ALL because of lack of paying attention of a car driver!!!!!!

No one has made assumptions about all motorcycles, nor has anyone said that any accident involving a motorcycle is their fault.

There HAVE been people commenting on *specific* motorcycle riders that they have seen doing incredibly stupid things. But that doesn't mean that they think all riders do that. So unless you do really stupid things on your motorcycle, don't take those specific examples so personally! And if you do those things, well, stop!

Being totally exposed to other vehicles does make you less safe. So be as safe as you can while being exposed like that.

funny thing, that is what all of you are doing about Motorcycle riders in general here! so if you cannot take the heat, stay out of the kitchen! I happen to ride, and I have been trained for many, many years...and I see the stupidest people doing things in their cars! and even in my truck! so...again I am standing up for riding, since you all seem to be bashing motorcycles! if you do not ride, you do not understand!

NO one is bashing motorcycles. Go back and read the thread. Any "bashing" has been talking about specific people. Like I once saw 3 people riding 2 motorcycles, and the non-driving rider actually switched from one to the other. Not on the highway, but going through town in Federal Way WA late at night. NOT a smart thing to do! Does it mean I think ALL motorcycle riders do that? Nope. My mom and dad on their Harley never did that. Do I think those riders were incredibly brain-free and taking their lives in their hands to do it? Oh heck yeah. But that's not bashing even them, it's commenting on their specific behaviours.


OP I'm sorry you had to see that.

When I read your post right after you'd made it, I was looking on the news sites for this to be mentioned...instead I found a situation in MN involving a car and an SUV, 3 teenagers survived, 3 other people I do not think survived...very very sad, showed the 3 teens sitting on the curb, heads down...awful awful.


In HS I met a guy a few years older who was the sole survivor of a crash that happened while he was in HS (and I was in junior high). That crash is what got the HS campus closed. Bunch of HS students going home for lunch, having a drink, going up a hill to "catch air" on the way down. Sadly for that last group of students to do it, a garbage truck was backing out of a driveway just as the car was hitting the ground from the 'catching air" part...since they were still in the air, they couldn't steer...horrible horrible horrible...he survived and had to deal with what he'd seen happen to his friends in that instant...so so so sad. He definitely still carried mental and emotional scars, along with the severe physical ones...and he didn't even cause it (he wasn't driving)...

 

[TheDisneyGirl02]

what?? pray for the girl??? what about the 2 people laying dead in the road..?

Yes, you need to pray for that girl because you have no idea what she is going through right now.

In 2002, I was driving along and minding my own business when two women walked in front of my car. I will never forget the sound of them hitting my hood and the smashing of glass of the windshield. I watched them roll off my car as I slammed on my breaks. I thought they were deer.

I ran for help and I couldn't be consoled. I was a wreck - in total shock. I was not found at fault for the accident, but that didn't help the mental pain I suffered every single day of my life. Thankfully I was leaving for my WDWCP the next day because if I would have stayed in town, I would have ended up having a nervous breakdown. I'm not saying that they didn't suffer any pain, mental or physical because I know they did but they were compensated from the stupid lawsuit they filed against me to the tune of ONE MILLION DOLLARS. I still don't think that's right - I wasn't at fault but they could still sue me... it just seems so wrong even though it's perfectly legal.

I think about the accident every day of my life since January 11, 2002. I still have flashbacks and I cringe whenever I see anybody near the edge of the road. I went to therapy but haven't been in it for years. There are some times that I think I need to go back and talk to somebody but because of money I decide against it. The only day I know I didn't think about it at all was the day that I got married because that was my day and nobody was going to ruin it.

OP - it's a terrible feeling and thank you so much for feeling so strongly towards the driver. I'm sure she didn't go out that day with the intention of hurting anyone - I know I didn't. I feel badly for the people who were killed too and for their family, don't get me wrong.

Nobody knows who was at fault and who wasn't. I know that I wasn't in the case of my accident. I have always considered myself the othe victim since nobody ever feels sorry for the driver in an auto versus pedestrian accident even if the pedestrian is at fault.

I know you weren't involved in the accident, but there is an online community called dailystrength.org and they have an accident forum. You may want to look there to help ease your mind.

 

[Luv2Scrap]

When I read your post right after you'd made it, I was looking on the news sites for this to be mentioned...instead I found a situation in MN involving a car and an SUV, 3 teenagers survived, 3 other people I do not think survived...very very sad, showed the 3 teens sitting on the curb, heads down...awful awful.

There have been a number of teen-related fatal accidents in Minnesota over the past few days. Quoted from the article: "over April 23-25 weekend, there were 10 fatalities on Minnesota highways, with seven of them being teenagers."

It has been a very sad weekend for our state.

The one that has us all shook up the most is this one, in which six people were killed. The teen driver was the only survivor from either vehicle. Looks like the accident you read about was also mentioned toward the end of the article:

http://isanticountynews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=8091&Itemid=1

 

[marymouse]

God Bless You.

April 17, 2009 I watched 2 teenage children die in a fiery wreck. A drunk hit a car from behind and the gas tank exploded on impact. The teens were leaving a church event and the drunk was leaving a hit and run in a parking lot.

There was nothing anyone could do as the fire was too bad for anyone to get close. I will live forever with the picture of that.

I hope the OP can somehow find peace with what they saw. A year later I have problems driving through the intersection where the wreck occured.

Bless you for looking for more info and hoping to help.

 

[Disneyland1084]

nobody ever feels sorry for the driver in an auto versus pedestrian accident even if the pedestrian is at fault.

I'm sorry for what you went through. 4 years ago a teenage boy hit a little boy on my street. The little boy darted out into the street on his bike, the teen was blinded by the sun and hit him. He wasn't speeding. The little boy suffered only minor injuries, but I felt more sorry for the teen that hit him. He was REALLY upset.

 

[Sparx]

ok, why is it people always "assumes" it was the motorcycle???? news flash! all the accidents I have seen have always been the "Cages" (cars for you non riders) that are NOT paying attention, you know...to busy texting, talking on phones....and they have always been at fault! Thank you to the dude in Daytona that offed my friend Tony, or my friend at four corners! I have lost several friends....ALL because of lack of paying attention of a car driver!!!!!!

and if it was a girl, I give it a 99% chance she was doing something she just should have not been doing! hope they throw the book at her!!!!

Men are pulled over and ticketed 50% more than women. Men die in auto accidents more than women. While men and women have the same amount of accidents, women are more likely to be in a fender bender, whereas men would be driving in a catastrophic accident. Men have a 77% chance of dyin in a car accident. Men are more aggressive behind the wheel. Men driving better than women is a myth. If you're going to be misogynistic, at least have your facts straight.

 

[Christine]

I'm sorry for what you went through. 4 years ago a teenage boy hit a little boy on my street. The little boy darted out into the street on his bike, the teen was blinded by the sun and hit him. He wasn't speeding. The little boy suffered only minor injuries, but I felt more sorry for the teen that hit him. He was REALLY upset.

Many years ago, my parents were driving through their neighborhood and one of the kids on a bike (about 6 years old) darted out between 2 cars and my dad hit him. Fortunately, the little boy was fine as my dad was probably driving only 15 mph, but it happens and my dad still frets about it to this day.

 

[luvsJack]

OP, I am so sorry you had to be witness to something like that. Its so hard to get a picture like that out of your head. Dh drives a truck and is on the road 5-6 days a week. During that time he see a lot of wrecks, there are some he will talk about for weeks and I know that its something horrifying that he saw or that it was another trucker that makes him think "it could have been me".

I too will keep all those involved in my prayers. They will need much help to get past this.

It doesn't matter whether someone was driving a car, a truck, a motorcycle or a golf cart; two lives were lost. Was someone doing something wrong? Maybe, maybe not. They are called ACCIDENTS for a reason and to sit and speculate what may or may not have happened is just silly.

Only the police and the insurance company are going to know who was at fault. There have been many wrecks that dh witnessed and he would say himself that he thought it happened one way and find out later that wasn't what happened at all. Even the police, who have seen too many wrecks, from just looking at the way the cars stopped can be wrong. I witnessed a wreck one time; a car came flying into an intersection and t-boned another car. The car was moving so fast that the impact threw both the speeding car and the other car around and into other side streets. When I told the officer what I saw, he was surprised at which car was the one that ran the stop sign and was coming from which direction. It was just too hard to tell.

 

[Rora]

I am disgusted by some posts on this thread...

OP-I am so sorry you had to see this. Unfortunately I have a feeling that you will never forget what you saw. When I was 18 I was involved in a car accident on my way home from our Homecoming Dance. We were in the school parking lot and hit by a fellow student (a boy, for that matter) who wasn't texting, wasn't drunk, etc. He wasn't paying attention and was going too fast (like many people when they drive).

Our car was hit and two of my friends (in the front seat) were killed. They were in the middle of putting their seatbelts on (again, we were in the parking lot- even though they didn't put theirs on right away, you can bet putting my seatbelt on is the first thing I do in my car) when his car hit us. They were ejected out of the car.

It is an experience that you will never ever forget.

And to the insensitive poster who commented about "why pray for the driver"? Because she needs more prayers than anyone involved. TRUST ME. The boy who was driving struggled with the accident for 4 years and in our senior year of college (we went to the same college), he killed himself, leaving a note saying that he could never get over what happened that night and that he simply couldn't live with the guilt anymore as it totally consumed his life.

OP-sending prayers for everyone involved and you too.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I just have a min, but I wanted to update what I found out today.

Today on my way home from work, I stopped @ the house where the wreck occured and talked to the people that lived there (they ran out as soon as it happened). They said that the two people killed were married and that they were riding with another couple and that couple noticed that they were not behind them so they turned around and saw them on the ground. Also, the car had three teens in it and they were all taken to the hospital, treated and released. There is an investigation, so not sure yet who was @ fault. I also found out that they have four kids (the couple on the motor), the oldest is 17 (the friend riding told the lady whose house it happened in front of, the same lady I talked to). I told her that I couldnt get the teens in the car out of my mind, she said that she and her husband didnt sleep last night

Thanks for the update.

Terrible tragedy for all involved.

ETA: My mom's former BF's husband died from injuries sustained in a bike crash. It was his second in a short time period. The first was clearly not a fatality, nor was it his fault--a deer ran out in front of his motorcycle. The second, while the impact did not kill him. Due to the number of injuries and the instability of his body--life saving surgeries could not be performed.

 

[rgf207]

On my way home this afternoon, I came up on a wreck within seconds after it happened. It was a car & a motorcycle. I was behing a big truck with a big boat so I couldnt see in front of it, I just knew it had stopped. When the truck turned around, I motioned to him to roll his window and I told him that I wsa going to follow him as he was going an alternate route. As I was turning around, I saw a man and a woman laying on the road, obviously dead. The people there (witnesses and ppl that were @ home) were frantic, no one was helping the victims (cuz there was obviously nothing to help).

What was really disturbing was a young girl, obviously had been driving the car that hit them, was inconsolable. I don't know the curcumstances of the wreck, (like who's "fault") but I know as I was turning around, I caught a glimpse of the young girl and I realized that she would never be the same. There was something in her wailing/crying/screaming/distraughtness/hysteria that told me that she would be effected for the rest of her life.

I know this is long, I just am so disturbed right now. I have seen really bad car wrecks before and seeing a mangled car is very disturbing, but to see 2 dead people on the road and a hysterical young girl is an image that will NEVER leave my mind.

Sorry this is so long, if you read it all, thanks.

I'm sorry to hear about this OP. I had a similar situation happen. I was traveling for business and on my way from my hotel in Cocoa Beach to MCO. I saw a wreck in front of me on I-95. The wreck just happened as the dust had not settled. A man was ejected from his car and was in the middle of the highway lifeless.

That was over 5 years ago and I still see it in my head. I'm sorry you had to witness that

 

[AshleyW]

funny thing, that is what all of you are doing about Motorcycle riders in general here! so if you cannot take the heat, stay out of the kitchen! I happen to ride, and I have been trained for many, many years...and I see the stupidest people doing things in their cars! and even in my truck! so...again I am standing up for riding, since you all seem to be bashing motorcycles! if you do not ride, you do not understand!

Well I DO ride, and I think you're being completely unfair. There are just as many stupid bikers as there are car-drivers. Some people talk and text while driving in their car, and some bikes do wheelies on the interstate going 80mph (yes, I did actually see that, and yes, they did flip and crash.) This has nothing to do with motorcycle drivers vs. car drivers, because it doesn't matter. The OP saw a horrible accident and needed somewhere to turn because she was upset.

So, OP, I'm sorry you had to witness the crash. Thanks for the update.

Not sure how this turned into a motorcycle accident thread, but anywho....my Dh's uncle was critically injured in a motorcycle accident on Thursday night, no other vehicles involved, just him, so yes, the motorcyclist was at fault. He was upgraded yesterday and is out of ICU, but he has a spinal cord injury. He's in Iowa, so I doubt he was wearing a helmet (no helmet laws there). Also, he was been driving motorcycles for 50 years (in his 60's), so this was definitely not inexperience either.

I'm sorry to hear that. I hate that Iowa doesn't have helmet laws, DF and I always wear ours when we go out. There's been so many bike accidents here, plus with all the deer and whatnot.. I don't want to risk it. I'll keep him in my thoughts and hope he recovers soon!