Verizon striking

And has that degradation of service caused a loss of business for Disney? Sometimes "good enough" is good enough.

I do hope you're not saying only union workers can do a "good" job.

It most certainly is causing a decline in business. Read the stats on renewals of annual passes and people not booking bounceback. Customers are not happy and making it clear. Just look at all the threads on these boards.

Business at Disney is on the decline. After our last trip we decided we won't be going back. I noticed the difference. A lot of people have. So it does not seem to be good enough.
 
I'm not ripping anyone apart because they belong to the union. I just don't think you (collective toward union workers) are presenting their side of the negotiations very well.

You (and others) feel you're being attacked because you're being told "be happy you have a job, you should be willing to give up some of what you have been getting". Do I have that right? But isn't the "pro-union" faction doing the same thing toward the Verizon CEO? "He should take a paycut/he gets better benefits/etc". Hasn't he (and other CEO's) been getting that salary for a while? How is that different than what people have been telling you?

Not sure what you are saying in the first part? Union workers aren't presenting whose side of the negotiations well? The company's? There really hasn't been much as far as negotiations or bargaining. It has been Verizon who has not budged on any of the issues since their first proposal since June 1st. That's not really "bargaining" which, by definition is supposed to be a give and take.

I have never said the CEO should take a pay cut, even though his (as most CEO's salaries are) outrageous. I mean, how do you even begin to spend the kind of money they make? I am realistic in that I know even if the company was tanking, the CEO would STILL not give up even a portion of his salary!
Where the problem lies is that the company is far from tanking. But they are using the poor economy to try to stick it to the workers who built the company for them!
 
It most certainly is causing a decline in business. Read the stats on renewals of annual passes and people not booking bounceback. Customers are not happy and making it clear. Just look at all the threads on these boards.

Business at Disney is on the decline. After our last trip we decided we won't be going back. I noticed the difference. A lot of people have. So it does not seem to be good enough.

Wait, wait, wait...you're saying that the reason that the reason that business at Disney is on the decline has nothing to doing with the current economy? The nearly double-digit unemployment rate in the entire country?!

Yep, people don't have jobs...but they aren't dropping tons of money vacationing to the the most-traveled destination on Earth because their room isn't made up by 10AM. :lmao:
 
Here's a nice little article for you, not more "union propaganda", but from a business site (business4noobs.com)

What Verizon tries to wallpaper over, is the fact that the wireless network which is generating all the company’s profit, rides the same network as its wireline portion. There is only one network. It’s only wireless until you hit the first cell tower. So while wireline is labeled as “struggling” – because Verizon has been pushing its sales force to encourage customers to migrate to wireless – it’s actually doing all the support and maintenance work for the profitable wireless division, but getting none of the profits; therefore, looking like it’s “struggling.”

Wireless gets a free ride off the Verizon network. Last year, by its own reports, Verizon wireline division was down on revenue over year previous by 2.9%. In that same time, Verizon cut the wireline workforce by 20%. Yet it insists it is unable to maintain the current benefits for the remaining workforce. All the talk of 100+ concession demands at the bargaining table are but a red herring; Verizon’s actual intent, under the new CEO McAdams, appears to be to move the remaining jobs offshore as quickly as possible.

The only jobs left stateside will be those people climbing poles. Which means no taxable income from close to 45,000 jobs, no taxable corporate revenue, as whatever is earned offshore in the outsourced calling and test centers will remain offshore – and not taxable. That’s a lot of revenue lost to the US Treasury, and near 45,000 on the unemployment lines.

Verizon’s comments about wireline are disingenuous; the wireline workforce is the boiler room which is keeping the ship afloat. How much loyalty or protection of national security will we get from an overseas maintenance center which has full access to our network and all sensitive portions of it? Little to none.
 

I'm not ripping anyone apart because they belong to the union. I just don't think you (collective toward union workers) are presenting their side of the negotiations very well.

You (and others) feel you're being attacked because you're being told "be happy you have a job, you should be willing to give up some of what you have been getting". Do I have that right? But isn't the "pro-union" faction doing the same thing toward the Verizon CEO? "He should take a paycut/he gets better benefits/etc". Hasn't he (and other CEO's) been getting that salary for a while? How is that different than what people have been telling you?[/QUOTE]

Actually the Verizon CEO has been getting more money & more bonuses since the business is doing well. So yes, if he is getting more money and more salary due to improved profits, so should the workers.
 
Wait, wait, wait...you're saying that the reason that the reason that business at Disney is on the decline has nothing to doing with the current economy? The nearly double-digit unemployment rate in the entire country?!

Yep, people don't have jobs...but they aren't dropping tons of money vacationing to the the most-traveled destination on Earth because their room isn't made up by 10AM. :lmao:

I don't think the poster said anything about the economy not having anything to do with i? Did I miss another post maybe?
 
Here's a nice little article for you, not more "union propaganda", but from a business site (business4noobs.com)

What Verizon tries to wallpaper over, is the fact that the wireless network which is generating all the company’s profit, rides the same network as its wireline portion. There is only one network. It’s only wireless until you hit the first cell tower. So while wireline is labeled as “struggling” – because Verizon has been pushing its sales force to encourage customers to migrate to wireless – it’s actually doing all the support and maintenance work for the profitable wireless division, but getting none of the profits; therefore, looking like it’s “struggling.”

Wireless gets a free ride off the Verizon network. Last year, by its own reports, Verizon wireline division was down on revenue over year previous by 2.9%. In that same time, Verizon cut the wireline workforce by 20%. Yet it insists it is unable to maintain the current benefits for the remaining workforce. All the talk of 100+ concession demands at the bargaining table are but a red herring; Verizon’s actual intent, under the new CEO McAdams, appears to be to move the remaining jobs offshore as quickly as possible.

The only jobs left stateside will be those people climbing poles. Which means no taxable income from close to 45,000 jobs, no taxable corporate revenue, as whatever is earned offshore in the outsourced calling and test centers will remain offshore – and not taxable. That’s a lot of revenue lost to the US Treasury, and near 45,000 on the unemployment lines.

Verizon’s comments about wireline are disingenuous; the wireline workforce is the boiler room which is keeping the ship afloat. How much loyalty or protection of national security will we get from an overseas maintenance center which has full access to our network and all sensitive portions of it? Little to none.

I tried not to post but I think your facts on the wireline being the backbone for wireless are wrong. The only place where Verizon Wireless is using Verizon wireline for backhaul are in certain spots in the country where Verizon has wireline services (like the NE). The vast majority of the country does not and Verizon has to pay other companies to provide backhaul.

Jill in CO
 
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I, nor my husband are affiliated with any unions. My husband is an 18 year active duty military member and I am currently seeking employment after transferring to a new duty station last month. No unions there lady! But, we have excellent health benefits and a pension for life. I wish everyone could have what we have.

We are retired military ~ they are thinking about doing away with the pension and going to a 401k and don't forget you have to pay for those health benefits when you retire ~ they are cheap compared to many but the buzz is they will be going up as well. It will all change when when that gang of 12 in congress can't make any cuts and the military budget is on the chopping block.
 
I put the info out there so that possibly you might see how your union strike is not fighting for ALL of the middle class and our way of life. The challenging part about the strike/walkout(depending upon which side is telling it) is that you are striking without knowing all of the details :confused3. There have been numerous posts about what the monthly deduction for medical would be and then the revelation that none of you know the true dollar amount. Yes, I find that to be strange when unemployment is so high in our country. As for the cost of housing here, condos were between $450,000 and $550,000. It is very expensive here in Southern California and a 30 mile commute can take 2 hours each way. So there were no $150.000. condos available to us. We are in a 40-50 year old home that needs constant attention, we must be rolling in money:rolleyes:. I understand that the union is being squeezed out of shops due to the higher costs of the union workers. You are well within your rights to strike and attempt to sway public opinion to your cause. What I and others have a hard time with is the rhetoric that you are somehow saving the rest of us. The truth of the matter is that your union is fighting the same shrinking workforce options that everyone else is facing. I don't believe that either side is telling the whole truth or that either side is being honest about the other's position. Again, I am challenged that 45,000 workers walked off the job or were locked out and didn't have the all the details to make an educated choice. This is illustrated by the range listed for what the medical benefits would cost.
 
Okay, so now we know that the holiday number is from 9 to 7. The reason I asked is that the info out there was the union stating 4 and Verizon stating 2. Now we have a hard number. As to the medical. it has been posted on here at around $4500.00 per year and now Mr. Ross has posted that he has heard as high as $600.00 per month/ making it $7200.00 per year. It is very hard to make any educated decission without all of the details so I don't envy those of you involved in this. As for your personal info out there for all to see, we are being provided general numbers from what I have read on the different websites, both union and corporate.

While I won't give specific personal data, our income is higher and we save 5% towards retirement along with a company match. There is no such thing as a pension here. We are spoiled in that there are numerous paid days off via 1 week shut downs in Summer and at the Christmas holidays. These are in addition to 5 weeks vacation per year, 10 sick days, and 8 personal days. While I believe that this is excessive, you should have heard the complaints when 2 holidays were taken away in exchange for the Summer week. This is a non union corporation and people were livid about losing these 2 days even though they were gaining 3 more :confused3. It seems as if there is no pleasing everyone. Our medical has increased in cost every year, dental is limited, vision is a joke, prescription is climbing higher. Where we are, we are considered middle class yet with the high cost of living we are paycheck to paycheck. Don't get me started on college and financial aid, as we don't qualify unless our kids choose one of the Ivy League Schools. I don't consider 100% student loans to be aid. For the record we bought a "starter" home and those were over $600,000. when we entered the California market. Remember, the FAFSA doesn't consider cost of living for the region where you live. So while we may look like we earn a lot on paper, our high cost of living makes it very hard. And before anyone gets the idea that we should rent instead of buy, the average 4 bedroom rents for over $3000.00 unless you are willing to take on a multi hour commute. Our public transportation is nothing like what you have in the North East cities. It isn't that we all are so different, we just may not share the same views. I'd gladly give up some vacation time for lower cost benefits and the ability to have better health care plans. Like you all, we can only choose from what the company offers.

Had to go look this up. Medical is $1900.00 per year for 10% co-pay of negotiated rate as long as you stay in network. This is after (3) $350.00 deductibles per family. Dental is $165.00 per year with a $50.00 per person yearly deductible, $1500.00 max per person/per year. This is for a ppo plan in medical, hmo costs were much higher. In fact, can't wait for October to come and the new benefit plans for next year will be revealed. We get the prices for them during the signup period in mid-November.

I have gone through multiple sectrums of income in my life. I've made on the upper end of middle class, and I was poor a couple of times. I've even gone hungry. Although I would never accept welfare or food stamps. I've been management, I've owned my own companies, been a lowly pee-on, now I'm in a respectable craft position. I know how to look at most of lives situations from every angle, and take pride in doing so.
After having said that, no matter how high your bills might be, you have more control over your life when you make more. I help other people with their finances constantly preventing them from over spending and living beyond their means. If your bills are too high, your options are to find a method of achieving more income, or reduce your spending. Although many things might seem like necessities, they are actually luxuries that you can do without. If you feel like the bills are still too high, or you are living paycheck to paycheck, then it is time to move and buy a cheaper house, or rent long enough to save for a better one.
The reason why I brought this up was that Verizon is not increasing our salaries to compensate the medical expenses. For that matter every change they want to make to us either decreases our income, or our paid time off.
It is unfortunate that their are several, possibly many people who take advantage of the liberal sick time now. They probably caused the problem.

Oh crap. Emergency! My basement is flooding. Got to go!
 
Some one of a kind jobs are going to have good benefits without being union by the nature of what they are.

The CEO for example.

And maybe SECURITY in some corporations like Verizon.....else who would be there to do the lockouts?

Many non union employers provide good benefits. It isn't just the CEO or security. This is an industry that is taking care of the emplyees and wants to retain them.
 
The idea that we move or rent is not realistic. The California real estate market is a huge mess and we could not currently sell for what we owe(thank the investor who was foreclosed next to us, the home then selling for $250,000 less than what we paid). When gas hits $5.00 a gallon again, we have a 5 mile commute round trip. Strange thing here in CA, we have pay bus routes to our schools, so the parents are the bus drivers. My one dd attends school 4 miles away from home, should she walk? Yes, we have lived at different income levels and this is the highest. If we were living in a lower cost area at our current earnings, we would be very comfortable. Currently, we are not. In the odd way things work, I opened the mail yesterday and found my electric bill. Here is where it gets strange. We already had one due the 3rd of August and this new one is due the 31st. Two in one month, it doesn't feel like we are living beyond our means, just everything else keeps going up.
 
We are retired military ~ they are thinking about doing away with the pension and going to a 401k and don't forget you have to pay for those health benefits when you retire ~ they are cheap compared to many but the buzz is they will be going up as well. It will all change when when that gang of 12 in congress can't make any cuts and the military budget is on the chopping block.

I am aware of the proposed cuts, we have already contacted our congressmen. I am also aware of how much more retirees pay OOP. It seems like they screw you guys to keep AD with no co pays or deductibles. I "should" be working with a career that would supplement any out of pocket costs we may incur once DH retires.
 
And has that degradation of service caused a loss of business for Disney? Sometimes "good enough" is good enough.

I do hope you're not saying only union workers can do a "good" job.

There's the short term uptick profits with a longterm detriment. In general, union workers are better trained and more productive. I'm sure that's mainly because better wages and benefits cause them to stay put.
 
There's the short term uptick profits with a longterm detriment. In general, union workers are better trained and more productive. I'm sure that's mainly because better wages and benefits cause them to stay put.

This is represented by the 7% union workers in the American work force? Let's just nip this one in the bud. Union or not has zero bearing on productivity, individual pride and effort do.
 
I understand for those of you who have family members working for VZ (Wireline), this is an emotional issue, but I do have this question:

If the Verizon wireline network (former Bell Atlantic) is such a tremendous asset, then why has the company been selling it off piece by piece?

For those who may have forgotten, over the past few years, VZ's West Virginia territory was sold to Frontier Communications and the Northern New England lines were sold to Fair Point -- both areas were legacy territory for Verizon (former BA states).

Something else to consider (and very "on topic") - the American consumer is changing how they make a phone call. Right here on this board, it isn't uncommon for someone to drop a name like Ooma, or one of the others to save a few bucks...
 
We are retired military ~ they are thinking about doing away with the pension and going to a 401k and don't forget you have to pay for those health benefits when you retire ~ they are cheap compared to many but the buzz is they will be going up as well. It will all change when when that gang of 12 in congress can't make any cuts and the military budget is on the chopping block.

A 401k is a horrible idea - how would Uncle Sam invest our money?

That's why it's important that we (I am a retiree, too) know alll the issues that face us as we go into 2012 and exactly who supports what -- that way, we can tell those in Washington who are not big on keeping the promises made to us who kept this country free to "keep the change"...
 
There's the short term uptick profits with a longterm detriment. In general, union workers are better trained and more productive. I'm sure that's mainly because better wages and benefits cause them to stay put.
I'll disagree with all of the bolded. As has been mentioned in this thread, you can get good pay and benefits and NOT belong to a union. (Some) union workers are more UNproductive because the union will fight a firing. They do the bare minimum and collect their money.
 
What about the fact that Verizon wants to give jobs to other countries instead of employing those here that need the jobs and want to work!!!! Verizon wants to save money by employing people in other countries and I know they are not the only big company to do so and I'm hoping this strike will wake up CEO's. If I need to call my bank, phone company etc I want to talk to a person here in the country that I live in! Let those countries creat jobs for their own citizens and we keep our jobs here! I've canceled every service that I have with Verizon and I will not even consider giving them a penny of my money unless they make some changes!!! I know one person not using there services won't hurt them but I know quite a few others who will cancel there services as well.
 
I don't think the poster said anything about the economy not having anything to do with i? Did I miss another post maybe?
The poster seemed to imply that a lack of quality from housekeeping & food staffs:
A) Is because those jobs are no longer union
B) Led to a (significant) drop in repeat business.

I have a hard time believing either one of those "facts"
 

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