vent about WDW bus passengers

[NHdisneylover]

How is this post still going.....

Becuase for the most part it has been a pretty civil discussion (people are getting a little testy now but still pretty civil over all don't you think?).

 

[kaytieeldr]

And I kid you not, he actually got up off his scooter and PICKED IT UP to move it closer to the seat cause he didn't park it good enough. BULL? Yeah, I would say so. That experience has made me question a lot of people who are riding on those scooters.

Upper body strength is no indication of one's ability to walk long distances. I'm not good at either.

Interesting how you judge the bulk of ECV users based on one experience. Your empathy and understanding are appreciated.

 

[DISNEYFOS]

Regarding the ECV, I actually had a glimpse into that WDW experience this past summer. It was a trip with my two young children and my mom and some other family..My DH wouldn't come because it was Aug... Anyways. In the middle of the trip, I broke and dislocated my little toe...doesn't sound like much..but it was perpendicular to my foot..so it was a bad break. After my visit to the FL emergency clinic..I was told not to walk so I debated my options. Either end the trip or rent an ECV. I went the ECV route

I can't comment on Buses cause I just didn't want to try to do that...Just manuvering the thing certain places took a lot to get used to.. I do have to say...Disney is very very accomodating to folks in that perdicament. I did avoid having to be with masses for the most part. The monorail always had a spot for me to drive up to.. never had to wait for another.. Most rides that I could, I parked and hobbled thru the line like everyone else..but when that wasn't possible..i did notice that it seemed easier than being with the sheep, like I normally am. So I do think its an easier way to experience the parks.. But rightfully so..If you have disabilities/handicaps of course you need things to be easier!

That said I would of much rather been walking and my normal self and felt very very lucky it was just a temporary experience.

Just to add because it might not be clear..I couldn't have done the crutches because I needed to push my 2 year old in the stroller.... We didn't have enough adults. She rode in my lap on the ECV

 

[DisneyFed]

****NOT GETTING INTO THE ECV DEBATE, BUT GOING TO ADDRESS THE ORIGINAL TOPIC****

The DisDads have decided that:

Any able bodied man, unless otherwise impaired (i.e. disabled--visibly or obscured-- or holding a sleeping child), who remains seated while Elderly, Female, Young Children or Disabled Folks are having to stand; should be tied to the back of the bus and dragged behind it all the way back to the resort....we have also decided that their mothers should not only tie the rope, but give them a swift kick in the rear to boot...

This DOES NOT apply to handicapped persons or ECV's. Me? I'm personally glad I've been blessed (to this point) with good enough health not to use one. I don't begrudge anyone the use of a wheel chair or ECV---AND I don't mind standing in line a little longer, or standing on the bus while they are loaded/transported.

And my son WILL STAND (when he is able) when any of the aforementioned conditions are met--he's young and healthy, he can stand---he'll live....

**Ok, maybe I got into the debate a little, but I digress sometimes...LOL

 

[hsmamato2]

what? I have always taught my kids to GIVE UP THEIR SEAT FOR THEIR ELDERS....especially a woman. why would a child need to sit more than an adult? There are seat back handholds for smaller people ona crowded bus,my kids have always enjoyed standing anyway,as,like most kids they have lots of energy no matter what time it is. There is no way my 10 year old ds would be sitting without at least offering his seat to an older person first. Many times the person declines,but he offers.
I have kids and I know,they are not a disabilty!

 

[crashbb]

Seems to me like you are judging just as much as we are Kay.

The difference is that the PP is judging you (and you alone) based on your own comments. You, on the other hand, are judging everyone who uses an ECV (and their families) based on what you think you see a few ECV users doing.

I'm too busy trying to work out your family. First, it was kids who needed wheelchairs, and they went ahead with their moms. Then it was your dad in a wheelchair. Now we are back to the kids waiting around in the heat in lines (and we've gone from 6 to 2).

 

[crashbb]

****NOT GETTING INTO THE ECV DEBATE, BUT GOING TO ADDRESS THE ORIGINAL TOPIC****

The DisDads have decided that:

Any able bodied man, unless otherwise impaired (i.e. disabled--visibly or obscured-- or holding a sleeping child), who remains seated while Elderly, Female, Young Children or Disabled Folks are having to stand; should be tied to the back of the bus and dragged behind it all the way back to the resort....we have also decided that their mothers should not only tie the rope, but give them a swift kick in the rear to boot...

This DOES NOT apply to handicapped persons or ECV's. Me? I'm personally glad I've been blessed (to this point) with good enough health not to use one. I don't begrudge anyone the use of a wheel chair or ECV---AND I don't mind standing in line a little longer, or standing on the bus while they are loaded/transported.

And my son WILL STAND (when he is able) when any of the aforementioned conditions are met--he's young and healthy, he can stand---he'll live....

**Ok, maybe I got into the debate a little, but I digress sometimes...LOL

Will your daughter (assuming you have one) also stand? Why wouldn't the rules apply to woman as well? Why would one assume that a man should stand for people, but not assume the same of a woman (assuming all the other caveats about able-bodied, no sleeping baby, etc.).

Not that, to be honest, I agree with you anyway. No one should be expected to stand (or risk being tied to the back of the bus). Yes, I was taught to stand (and absolutely will), but it should not be mandatory.

 

[JUJU814]

****NOT GETTING INTO THE ECV DEBATE, BUT GOING TO ADDRESS THE ORIGINAL TOPIC****

The DisDads have decided that:

Any able bodied man, unless otherwise impaired (i.e. disabled--visibly or obscured-- or holding a sleeping child), who remains seated while Elderly, Female, Young Children or Disabled Folks are having to stand; should be tied to the back of the bus and dragged behind it all the way back to the resort....we have also decided that their mothers should not only tie the rope, but give them a swift kick in the rear to boot...

This DOES NOT apply to handicapped persons or ECV's. Me? I'm personally glad I've been blessed (to this point) with good enough health not to use one. I don't begrudge anyone the use of a wheel chair or ECV---AND I don't mind standing in line a little longer, or standing on the bus while they are loaded/transported.

And my son WILL STAND (when he is able) when any of the aforementioned conditions are met--he's young and healthy, he can stand---he'll live....

**Ok, maybe I got into the debate a little, but I digress sometimes...LOL

The DisDads ROCK!!!

 

[honugirl]

Just throwing this out there........ Last September we were sitting on the bus when some guy in a scooter and his family got on the bus. And I kid you not, he actually got up off his scooter and PICKED IT UP to move it closer to the seat cause he didn't park it good enough. BULL? Yeah, I would say so. That experience has made me question a lot of people who are riding on those scooters. I know not everyone takes advantage but I still have my doubts sometimes.

I actually have no problem with my upper body strength, I just have no energy, fatigue easily and have tremendous hip, knee and ankle pain so I actually could and have moved the ECV in the way you have mentioned before because I was so frustrated and tired trying to park it at the end of the day. The front end of those things is surprisingly light. You have no idea what it's like to try and park one of those things while people stare at you and say rude things. It's like being in a very horrible aquarium.

Seems to me like you are judging just as much as we are Kay. Is it not possible for those of us do see abuse of the scooters and everyone is not as perfect and knowledged as you seem to think u r. Maybe just maybe we dont get the perfect scooter rider like you in our bus line. Maybe just maybe you dont see the abuse. You jump in front of everyone on your little scooter and dont see what those of us that wait our turn see. You hop right on and while you are on your way to the park it happens to us back at the bus stop again so now we are waiting longer. You dont see it because your having fun already with your WHOLE family. Wait in line like normal and maybe you will see the whole truth.

Auger, do you know how many times I've had to wait for the next bus when everyone else in line has piled on one and is at the parks? There are only 2 (sometimes 3 now) spots on the bus for an ECV. If I'm the 3rd one in line, oh well. What if the bus only allowed 2 or 3 able bodied people on, how would that make you feel? When we get to the parks, you're already in the park and having fun before I'm even close to getting off the bus.

Oh and Auger, you seem to be conveniently dismissing the question that has been posed to you time and time again about the wheelchair users in your party. Do they or do they not do EXACTLY what you are mad at ECV users for doing (with the exception of only bringing one family member with them)?

 

[JUJU814]

Will your daughter (assuming you have one) also stand? Why wouldn't the rules apply to woman as well? Why would one assume that a man should stand for people, but not assume the same of a woman (assuming all the other caveats about able-bodied, no sleeping baby, etc.).

Not that, to be honest, I agree with you anyway. No one should be expected to stand (or risk being tied to the back of the bus). Yes, I was taught to stand (and absolutely will), but it should not be mandatory.

not everyone are feminists!

 

[Goofy + 3]

Will your daughter (assuming you have one) also stand? Why wouldn't the rules apply to woman as well? Why would one assume that a man should stand for people, but not assume the same of a woman (assuming all the other caveats about able-bodied, no sleeping baby, etc.).

Look at his sig. No daughter.

 

[DisneyFed]

Will your daughter (assuming you have one) also stand? Why wouldn't the rules apply to woman as well? Why would one assume that a man should stand for people, but not assume the same of a woman (assuming all the other caveats about able-bodied, no sleeping baby, etc.).

Not that, to be honest, I agree with you anyway. No one should be expected to stand (or risk being tied to the back of the bus). Yes, I was taught to stand (and absolutely will), but it should not be mandatory.

Handling this:

1) Daughters (no I don't have one)

If she is able and there are people struggling (like a parent with a child)..yep, she'll stand--

2) Why wouldn't that rule apply to women as well....etc?

Because that's the way I was raised. Sorry, that's the way it goes. I was addressing from a male perspective only. If a woman wants to stand and offer her seat---fine, go ahead, no problem with that here. If she doesn't, then she doesn't have to. I won't take it...neither will my son.

That's the way we do business in my neck of the woods--no one has to like it. And no, she doesn't have to accept my seat if offered--that's fine too, I'll sit...but I'll be darned if I just sit there and stare off into space ignoring a female standing and not offering my seat--I was raised better than that (and my kids won't do it either)


3) No one should be expected to stand...not mandatory..

Good for you......I don't agree with you either....you're entitled to feel this way....we live in a free country...

 

[Manda]

The DisDads have decided that:

Any able bodied man, unless otherwise impaired (i.e. disabled--visibly or obscured-- or holding a sleeping child), who remains seated while Elderly, Female, Young Children or Disabled Folks are having to stand

As a woman, I'm not sure I see why being a woman would automatically group me with elderly, young children, and/or disabled. Last I checked, being a woman didn't incapacitate me in any way. Not that I'm normally a big feminist ranter or anything, but... which one of these things doesn't belong with the others?

Why don't you just say that any able-bodied person who remains seated to the detriment of any other less-able person is not a very nice person at all.

 

[kaytieeldr]

Seems to me like you are judging just as much as we are Kay.

Is it not possible for you to not judge until/unless you have all the facts? Is there a reason BigDaddyDisney couldn't, wouldn't, or didn't offer to help the ECV user he judges a faker simply because the man is able to lift an ECV? For all we know, he could have simply been navigating it onto the bus for another member of his party who can't parallel park around other passengers' feet. It's obvious there WERE other people on the bus - BigDaddyDisney observed the lifting from inside the bus.

Is it not possible for those of us do see abuse of the scooters

It is possible you all ASSUME abuse of ECVs despite it not being your place to - simply because their use inconveniences you.

everyone is not as perfect and knowledged as you seem to think u r.

I know what I know - which is, yes, a lot. As much as I try, I don't qualify for Mensa but I do come close - and I continue to educate myself. But perfect? Please. Simply knowing and practicing proper behavior and action is NO indication of perfection (I'm guessing that's what you mean by "u r"? I don't know for sure, accustomed as I am to reading complete words).

Maybe just maybe we dont get the perfect scooter rider like you in our bus line

Maybe you simply don't NOTICE the ECV users who don't inconvenience you, who don't "make" you wait in 90º weather despite their following Walt Disney World's rules and instructions for boarding WDW transportation. Again, if you have issues with the procedure, they should be addressed to the business owner.

Maybe just maybe you dont see the abuse. You jump in front of everyone on your little scooter and dont see what those of us that wait our turn see.

No, I don't see the abuse. I've described several times the procedure I use for boarding WDW transportation, and the number of Guests I take with me (two once on a bus, three once on a boat, zero every other time I've boarded WDW transportation in 32 trips). All I can control is me and my reaction to people and things around me. All you can control is you and your reaction to the people and things around you. If getting to the parks in a timely manner without having to wait for that 'last minute' ECV is important to you, rent a car. Take a taxi. Wait until the crowds thin out. Have a late dinner in the park.

You hop right on and while you are on your way to the park it happens to us back at the bus stop again so now we are waiting longer.

I can only think that's a general attack because you can't get where you want to go at the instant you want to be there. I'm using the required-for-safety four seats - three for the ECV, one for me. Period. That's how things work when one uses WDW transportation solol.

If THAT'S making your party wait longer, you must have a pretty danged huge party.

You dont see it because your having fun already with your WHOLE family. Wait in line like normal and maybe you will see the whole truth.

I DO see "the whole truth". What part of "using Walt Disney transportation solo" are you not understanding? I don't travel with family. I travel with friends. We OFTEN stay at different resorts. Therefore, I board the bus ENTIRELY SOLO. I require a GRAND TOTAL of FOUR seats, for SAFETY.

Even solo, I do understand 'turns'. PLEASE read my posts on the last few pages. I have hung back in the path leading up to the wheelchair boarding area when there is a long line. I have approached the driver from the boarding area to let him/her know that I JUST arrived at the bus stop and would be waiting for the next bus. I understand fair. I don't understand where you're getting these inaccurate assumptions of me and my behavior.

No, I won't delay my turn to board when there are other wheelchair/ECV Guests behind me. I don't have the right to make decisions for them.

 

[DisneyFed]

The DisDads ROCK!!!

Thanks...

 

[lawsonsontour]

Look at his sig. No daughter.

i do have a dd and being a very proud member of the dis dads can con cure that as a rule, all dis dads with dd were in full agrement....

thank you

 

[kaytieeldr]

And thats the type of people im talking about. But all scooter riders want to get all defensive and think we are talking about everyone.

experience has made me question a lot of people who are riding on those scooters

Everyone? No. But "question a lot of people who..." means a lot of people.
And again... upper body strength is NOT an indication of one's ability to walk long distances pain-free - or at all. Or, as I said above, it's possible he merely drove the ECV onto the bus for another member of his party nervous or concerned about driving over someone's feet or having trouble parallel parking it.

 

[auger]

I actually have no problem with my upper body strength, I just have no energy, fatigue easily and have tremendous hip, knee and ankle pain so I actually could and have moved the ECV in the way you have mentioned before because I was so frustrated and tired trying to park it at the end of the day. The front end of those things is surprisingly light. You have no idea what it's like to try and park one of those things while people stare at you and say rude things. It's like being in a very horrible aquarium.




Auger, do you know how many times I've had to wait for the next bus when everyone else in line has piled on one and is at the parks? There are only 2 (sometimes 3 now) spots on the bus for an ECV. If I'm the 3rd one in line, oh well. What if the bus only allowed 2 or 3 able bodied people on, how would that make you feel? When we get to the parks, you're already in the park and having fun before I'm even close to getting off the bus.

Oh and Auger, you seem to be conveniently dismissing the question that has been posed to you time and time again about the wheelchair users in your party. Do they or do they not do EXACTLY what you are mad at ECV users for doing (with the exception of only bringing one family member with them)?

I have dismissed nothing as far as how my party does it. I have time and time again said I HAVE NOOOOO PROBLEM WITH THE SCOOTER USES !!!!!!!!! It all has to do with the one family member. But once again you all seem to read over that every time I say it. I really dont have a problem if a few get on with them, its the large families that bother me.

 

[DisneyFed]

As a woman, I'm not sure I see why being a woman would automatically group me with elderly, young children, and/or disabled. Last I checked, being a woman didn't incapacitate me in any way. Not that I'm normally a big feminist ranter or anything, but... which one of these things doesn't belong with the others?

Why don't you just say that any able-bodied person who remains seated to the detriment of any other less-able person is not a very nice person at all.

I'll refer to the post directly above you---it wasn't meant to be insulting...

Just the ramblings of a Southern Gentleman

However, just because it's offered, doesn't mean you have to take it...heck, I'll sit if you want me to, but I will offer---I will not be offended if you refuse to take my seat, but I will offer it up anyway, and not just pretend like you're not standing there.

 

[DisneyFed]

i do have a dd and being a very proud member of the dis dads can con cure that as a rule, all dis dads with dd were in full agrement....

thank you

lawsontour---

Goofy +3 is one of us...and has arrived to back me up....