vent about WDW bus passengers

[a1tinkfans]

I'll turn this thread to where it is eventually going to go.

Having a child is not a disability. Leave the park earlier (before the big crowds); wait for the next bus (so you are the first ones on); drive your own car; or deal with standing.

Is it nice of others to stand for you? Sure (and I probably would). Should you expect it? Nope.

My family often gets up for other people, be that elderly, moms with babies or parents holding sleeping kids...but I have to honestly say, just because I see a child does not mean I automatically stand up and give up my seat. I mean there are kids on every bus its Disney after all. Everyone is exhausted and deserves to sit if they can. I guess I would not get on a bus if I felt that it was so packed already that it was "too unsafe for my child" to be able to stand and hold onto the metal bar on each seat or one of the upright poles. Again, we often do get up, but for every standing child, that would mean we would never sit......

 

[kelleyrn2000]

But by the same token, if you were in labour and did not take responsiblity for yourself, is it really fair to expect others to do what you yourself will not do?

Not sure what is meant here by not taking responsibility for yourself. I simply meant that I was surprised that seeing a pregnant woman in obvious discomfort (and I'm sure not everyone noticed, but surely some had) wouldn't have led to someone offering their seat. I don't think I did anything irresponsible, nor the people sitting down... . I was just suprised, that's all, and now I would no longer be suprised. When I see someone offering their seat...just makes you feel good inside

I agree that in general, most people in this world are kind and considerate people. Most people hold the door open for each other, but everyone in a while you will find someone to let the door shut in your face. But most people would hold it open

 

[sunnyday123]

This is the arguement that can never be won. Likely due to a lack of understanding.

Personally, I don't understand why an able bodied adult or older child (my 8 y/o is expected to give up her seat) would not stand for a very young child, pregnant woman, or elderly person. Havn't seen an argument yet that enlightens me. Really though, I don't have to understand... my family is capable of giving up 3 seats and we regularly do.

I do understand the frazzled fealing of previously healthy kids that fall ill in the park and how badly you want to get them 'home' quickly. I also understand not taking children into a cab without a car seat. ...And I understand just how heavy a sleeping toddler gets (at any time of the day). Because I understand this, I promice you... I will give up my seat for you or your children and I thank you for your generocity when I need a seat and you help me out.

This makes me think of that insurance company comercial where people witness random acts of kindness and go on to do nice things for others. I hope if you see me or my family members getting up to offer a seat you will go on to do something nice for someone else. Hold a door, pick up the shoe that the little one kicked off on line for the ride... what ever. Makes the world a nicer place.

It's called common courtesy and just makes the world a better place. My DD at 10 knew that if someone who had a child who couldn't reach anything to hold onto, and older person, pregnant woman or someone who just looked like they needed to sit, she had better jump up and offer. She's young, she has plenty of life ahead of her to sit on her rump! And yes, I give up my seat too, and we don't normally ride buses here.

I've been yelled at ( on a Disney bus) by someone who thought I was stealing a seat that was offered to me, while holding a sleeping 6 year old. He got an earful to say the least. Some people act like they bought a ticket for those darn bus seats!

 

[sunnyday123]

But by the same token, if you were in labour and did not take responsiblity for yourself, is it really fair to expect others to do what you yourself will not do?

These threads are always filled with people judging and lecturing, people who say that they were 'raised better than others', and self-righteous attitudes.

If people don't want to take responsiblity for themselves or their family, they really cannot expect others to do it for them.

If having a seat means so much, there are a few ways to guarantee one. Stay at a resort which uses touring style busses, or rent a car.

The vast majority of people in the world are kind and considerate of others; one shouldn't demand that they are that way, but rather appreciate it when they are.

ok, I missed the post where someone was in labor on the buses!

 

[kelleyrn2000]

ok, I missed the post where someone was in labor on the buses!

LOL no way was I on a bus in labor. Ha ha! A restaurant yes, but not on those buses....couldn't imagine!!!!

 

[playswithstars]

I'm pretty sure the majority of the people who posted don't really have a problem being considerate and giving up a seat to a person in need. It's the self-entitlement that people are having problems with. "I have a sleeping kid, I'm pregnant, I have a small child but I'm going to get on this standing room only bus anyways and somebody better offer me a seat!!! Otherwise they are rude and they weren't raised right."

 

[NEVERENOUGHWDW]

I'm pretty sure the majority of the people who posted don't really have a problem being considerate and giving up a seat to a person in need. It's the self-entitlement that people are having problems with. "I have a sleeping kid, I'm pregnant, I have a small child but I'm going to get on this standing room only bus anyways and somebody better offer me a seat!!! Otherwise they are rude and they weren't raised right."

Excellent way to put it.......

Bottom line if you feel so entitled you need to rent a car.

 

[CoffeeCup]

I've been giving my seat on buses and other places to people my entire life. As a child, my parents would have pushed me out of a seat if there had been adults standing while I was sitting. Even if I were tired, it would not have been acceptable for my dad or for me to sit while a lady was standing. As an adult, I continued giving up my seat because it was the considerate thing to do. Now as a 64-year-old woman, you are telling me I'm supposed to give up my seat to a child since he/she may be tired, ready to have a melt down or won't be happy if he has to stand. When will I be entitled to a seat? I've ridden buses at Disney World many times, and I can't remember anyone ever trying to offer me their seat except for a few very elderly men who clearly needed to stay. seated. I've never accepted their offer since they needed the seat much more than I did. Children always stood when I was a child, and if we fell, we were told we weren't paying attention or holding on as we should. Now I'm supposed to stand so your child can sit simply because he is a child and since you think his comfort is more important than anyone else's. I'm healthy, I'm not pregnant, I don't have a hidden disability, and I don't have a problem standing, but when will it be my turn to be entitled to sit? I want to be entitled like everyone else seems to be, and I'm afraid I've missed out on being special and more important than anyone else.

 

[Disneyadore]

Not sure what is meant here by not taking responsibility for yourself. I simply meant that I was surprised that seeing a pregnant woman in obvious discomfort (and I'm sure not everyone noticed, but surely some had) wouldn't have led to someone offering their seat. I don't think I did anything irresponsible, nor the people sitting down... . I was just suprised, that's all, and now I would no longer be suprised. When I see someone offering their seat...just makes you feel good inside

I agree that in general, most people in this world are kind and considerate people. Most people hold the door open for each other, but everyone in a while you will find someone to let the door shut in your face. But most people would hold it open

Again being pregnant is not a disability or a sickness. Women choose to get pregnant and should not expect the whole world bending over to comfort them.

I've been giving my seat on buses and other places to people my entire life. As a child, my parents would have pushed me out of a seat if there had been adults standing while I was sitting. Even if I were tired, it would not have been acceptable for my dad or for me to sit while a lady was standing. As an adult, I continued giving up my seat because it was the considerate thing to do. Now as a 64-year-old woman, you are telling me I'm supposed to give up my seat to a child since he/she may be tired, ready to have a melt down or won't be happy if he has to stand. When will I be entitled to a seat? I've ridden buses at Disney World many times, and I can't remember anyone ever trying to offer me their seat except for a few very elderly men who clearly needed to stay. seated. I've never accepted their offer since they needed the seat much more than I did. Children always stood when I was a child, and if we fell, we were told we weren't paying attention or holding on as we should. Now I'm supposed to stand so your child can sit simply because he is a child and since you think his comfort is more important than anyone else's. I'm healthy, I'm not pregnant, I don't have a hidden disability, and I don't have a problem standing, but when will it be my turn to be entitled to sit? I want to be entitled like everyone else seems to be, and I'm afraid I've missed out on being special and more important than anyone else.

Very well spoken.
The problem is most parents now a day suffer from the "my child is so special" syndrome.
I'm really wondering if there are no "normal and healthy "children any more.
Obvioulsly a new disease is wandering around called the "special snowflake disease". Just wait until l these "snowflakes" meet the real world and mommy or daddy are not capable to protect them from the mean people that are out there.

 

[Redpepperflakes14]

These concerns should be directed more to Disney, that way we won't end up fighting amongst ourselves on the beloved Disboards (not that there has been a lot of fighting on this discussion, I've read all the comments and they've been pretty civil.)

This is a very legitimate concern in that it involves safety and liability issues, more so than courtesy. I really think that the best way to effect change would be to let Disney know how you feel. The buses can be a bit ridiculous with the long wait times between runs and numerous stops before reaching one's final destination, but at $79 per ticket per day base price, if enough folks brought up their concerns, the company would probably listen.

 

[bavaria]

They could theoretically switch over to coach style busses like those used at HKDL, but the cost would be enormous. I doubt that most people would want to pay for a complete overhaul of the system.

 

[JUJU814]

Again being pregnant is not a disability or a sickness. Women choose to get pregnant and should not expect the whole world bending over to comfort them.

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She didn't say it's a disability or sickness. She mentioned a pregnant woman in obvious discomfort. Have you ever been pregnant? If so, I find it hard to believe you didn't experience any discomfort or wouldn't have been appreciative of a kind person offering you a seat.

Grow a little compassion!

Most pregnant women do not "expects the world bending over to comfort them".

It still blows my mind how insensitive some people are towards those around them.

 

[bavaria]

It still blows my mind how insensitive some people are towards those around them.

Ah, the irony.


Back to coach style busses, they also do not permit strollers on board so that means fewer parents potentially per bus, and longer waits and higher costs.

 

[JUJU814]

Ah, the irony.


Back to coach style busses, they also do not permit strollers on board so that means fewer parents potentially per bus, and longer waits and higher costs.

 

[Disneyadore]

She didn't say it's a disability or sickness. She mentioned a pregnant woman in obvious discomfort. Have you ever been pregnant? If so, I find it hard to believe you didn't experience any discomfort or wouldn't have been appreciative of a kind person offering you a seat.

Grow a little compassion!

Most pregnant women do not "expects the world bending over to comfort them".

It still blows my mind how insensitive some people are towards those around them.

Compassion for what? Being pregnant is a choice you make. If I get drunk or stoned I also feel discomfort. It is also a sickness by choice . Do I deserve a place to sit just because I made this choice?

And if you would have read this threat you would have known I was rushed to hospital by an ambulance to give birth to my child. I was working and never stayed at home on others costs.
After five days I came home with my baby and next day I was on my feet at five o' clock and working again.
We always gave up our seats for those who needed them, but I'm at the point I'm sick and nobody ever gave me a place to sit.
Politeness and caring for others is a two way street you know.

 

[tttessa]

Hiya all,

my kids are important to me - I do not agree with bussing with no seatbelts, or having folks stand up... therefore I now hire a car - with car seats/ seatbelts/airbags/actual comfy seats!

On a bus I would not expect anyone to get up to let me/kids sit, nor would I expect to HAVE to get up for someone else - since for my safety and that of my children, I would have waited for a bus I could sit on - as others have said - taking responsibility for myself and my kids.

So please think before criticising those of us who do sit - some of us have made our own choices - based on our and our children's safety, and may have waited longer at the bus stop to make it happen.

I may choose to get up for another parent with babe in arms or whatever, but I always feel aggrieved (I know I shouldn't - I should feel the warm glow of altruism or whatever....) as I wonder what stopped them making the same choices I did.

Anyhows - now we hire a car and feel much more relaxed at the end of a busy day....

Tessa

 

[DISNEYFOS]

Again being pregnant is not a disability or a sickness. Women choose to get pregnant and should not expect the whole world bending over to comfort them.
Very well spoken.
The problem is most parents now a day suffer from the "my child is so special" syndrome.
I'm really wondering if there are no "normal and healthy "children any more.
Obvioulsly a new disease is wandering around called the "special snowflake disease". Just wait until l these "snowflakes" meet the real world and mommy or daddy are not capable to protect them from the mean people that are out there.

Wow Hostility toward children too..The world never ceases to amaze me.

Just out of curiosity How old do you consider these "special snowflakes"... I believe most people are taking about mothers holding young infants..or at least children under 3 ...Children who by the way most likely don't have the type of balance necessary to remain standing on a moving bus. Surely you aren't stating they need to toughen up? So what if they get thrown around a bus..aparently it builds character?

 

[JUJU814]

Compassion for what? Being pregnant is a choice you make. If I get drunk or stoned I also feel discomfort. It is also a sickness by choice . Do I deserve a place to sit just because I made this choice?

And if you would have read this threat you would have known I was rushed to hospital by an ambulance to give birth to my child. I was working and never stayed at home on others costs.
After five days I came home with my baby and next day I was on my feet at five o' clock and working again.
We always gave up our seats for those who needed them, but I'm at the point I'm sick and nobody ever gave me a place to sit.
Politeness and caring for others is a two way street you know.

You are missing my point. No one says the uncomfortable pregnant lady *deserves* a place to sit or should *expect* it because she made a choice to get pregnant. It's just a nice gesture..a kind thing to do. You don't think *if* you are able bodied or healthy with nothing preventing you to offer a seat to a pregnant lady, that it's just an act of kindness?? Now mind you, I wouldn't be caught dead at Disney while pregnant...because I *chose* to get pregnant..so the bus thing for me is a moot point

I did read, after posting, about your birth experience and your present health. (sorry!) Not sure your circumstances, but sounds like you're one tough cookie. Also, being back on your feet working a few days after giving birth can be extremely dangerous depending on your experience.

I don't believe politeness and caring for others is a two way street. I am not responsible for the way other people treat me. I am responsible for how I treat others, regardless. I like to *try* to be polite and kind, albeit difficult, even to someone who may be a total jerk. I'm a nurse so I've had some practice over the years!

I can soooo see your point of view. You need to take care of yourself and I would imagine it's very annoying to think of how you spent years trying to be polite, giving up your seat etc, and to see how politeness seems to have gone out the window today.

Please understand though, that there are still many young families with young children that try to teach politeness, chivalry, kindness, compassion. There are parents that are not turning their kids into "snowflakes" and I for one would kick my teenage son's you know what if he was sitting there oblivious playing his nintendo and didn't get up and offer his seat to someone who needed it...whether it be you, who is ill and not feeling well, or a pregnant lady, who is very healthy, but just very pregnant.

 

[kelleyrn2000]

You are missing my point. No one says the uncomfortable pregnant lady *deserves* a place to sit or should *expect* it because she made a choice to get pregnant. It's just a nice gesture..a kind thing to do. You don't think *if* you are able bodied or healthy with nothing preventing you to offer a seat to a pregnant lady, that it's just an act of kindness?? Now mind you, I wouldn't be caught dead at Disney while pregnant...because I *chose* to get pregnant..so the bus thing for me is a moot point

I did read, after posting, about your birth experience and your present health. (sorry!) Not sure your circumstances, but sounds like you're one tough cookie. Also, being back on your feet working a few days after giving birth can be extremely dangerous depending on your experience.

I don't believe politeness and caring for others is a two way street. I am not responsible for the way other people treat me. I am responsible for how I treat others, regardless. I like to *try* to be polite and kind, albeit difficult, even to someone who may be a total jerk. I'm a nurse so I've had some practice over the years!

I can soooo see your point of view. You need to take care of yourself and I would imagine it's very annoying to think of how you spent years trying to be polite, giving up your seat etc, and to see how politeness seems to have gone out the window today.

Please understand though, that there are still many young families with young children that try to teach politeness, chivalry, kindness, compassion. There are parents that are not turning their kids into "snowflakes" and I for one would kick my teenage son's you know what if he was sitting there oblivious playing his nintendo and didn't get up and offer his seat to someone who needed it...whether it be you, who is ill and not feeling well, or a pregnant lady, who is very healthy, but just very pregnant.

Agree!

 

[Hannathy]

Wow Hostility toward children too..The world never ceases to amaze me.

Just out of curiosity How old do you consider these "special snowflakes"... I believe most people are taking about mothers holding young infants..or at least children under 3 ...Children who by the way most likely don't have the type of balance necessary to remain standing on a moving bus. Surely you aren't stating they need to toughen up? So what if they get thrown around a bus..aparently it builds character?

From what I can tell the snowflakes are older than 3. Actually a 3 yr old is better than a 6 yr old a 3 yr old can hold onto you pretty well and kinda wedge themselves against you.


I still say if a kid has to stand on the bus and it is hard to balance then SIT DOWN on the floor!! No balance problems then. Problem solved. if you don't want to stand then pull up a piece of concrete and wait on the next bus.