Vaccine- Autism link proven to be a FRAUD!

[princessmom29]

Confirmation on what who already know. I don't think msnbc would be considerd a reliable source by any educated persons standard. There is a lot of good information out there on vaccines. If you choose to do the research. Instead of blindly relying on msnbc for your education. The sheep continue to be dubed by the mainstream media.

surely you cannot believe that MSNBC is the only source for this. It is simply where the news happened to break. I HAVE done the research actually. I did a reseach project on immune response to group beta strep as a part of my biochemistry degree, in conjunction with a Harvard medical school project aimed at developing a vaccine for GBS. Believe me, I know a bit about vaccines. I used a mainstream media link becuase it was easier for the general public to read and understand.

 

[DisneyDorkORama]

No. My child would not receive a vaccination. If there was a outbreak, taking my child to the infected doctors office would be last thing on my list of things to do.

exactly!

 

[princessmom29]

Yes I am completely fine with my child catching a deadly disease. Come on, please. There is no concrete proof that vaccinations prevent disease, if there was there would be no debating the topic.

How in the world can anyone actually believe that?? Of course there is concerete proof. It is called verified immunity for a reason. Polio no longer exists in the US. Nither does Smallpox. The disease fairy didn't get rid of them. How else do you explian the complete disappearence of these diseases? What els could have possibly lead to the complete eradication of thes diseases in such a short timeframe?

 

[bdcp]

Yes I am completely fine with my child catching a deadly disease. Come on, please. There is no concrete proof that vaccinations prevent disease, if there was there would be no debating the topic.

Where do you get your information? There is plenty of evidence that vaccines DO prevent disease. WOW. How sad for your child.

To me this borders on child neglect.

Also there have been studies that show the rate of autism is the same in unvaccinated children as it is in vaccinated ones.

My husband's niece is a teenager and pretty severely autistic but there is no correlation between her onset of symptoms and her vaccinations. Out of all our friends and family, she is the only autistic child and I know of none that opted out of vaccinations.

 

[DisneyDorkORama]

If there was an outbreak no I would not have my children vaccinated.

Lets see there was an "outbreak" of whooping cough at my sons school. did I run out and have him vaccinated? No..the outbreak died down and he never caught whooping cough even though there was a supposed out break.

Then there was an "outbreak" of chicken pox at yet again my sons school. did I panic and run out and get him vaccinated? no..and guess what he got the chicken pox and he survived!



Even if I DID have my children vaccinated if there was an outbreak or polio or small pox or whatever..the vaccines are not 100% effective!

 

[Maggie'sMom]

I think its strange when polio and small pox are referenced when both were on a very steady decline long before the vaccine came out. When the vaccine was introduced, both diseases actually had a increase in deaths before the continuing decline. A major increase in living condition and health care (not vaccines, but treatments for the symptoms from the illness) were happening over those years.
Also many people believe that polio still exists, just is named different things when diagnosed. (just to throw that out there but that I haven't really researched to extent) Ok... Bring on the comments

Are you seriously this misinformed about the history of polio in the US? Polio was in no way on the decline before the vaccine was invented. My mother was a child in the 40s and early 50s, and I've heard both her and my grandparents discuss the fear of polio and the outbreaks that were occurring. It was only when mass immunizations began that polio started to decline.

Wow I really am speechless!!!!

Have you ever read anything of the polio epidemic of the 50's? I can't believe you are saying what you are saying. You have never experienced the fear that gripped the nation of Mothers afraid that everyday their child went to school could be their last normal day on earth. Mothers who were willing to allow their children to be guinea pigs in vaccine trials because without it the outlook was so grim. There was no cure. My Mother to the day she died remembered the fear and how panicked she was when she took my sister off the toilet and stood her down and she collapsed on the floor, she was sure she had polio! luckily it wasn't. I lived outside of Pittsburgh and we got the vaccine as soon as it was available, very early in it's release.

When was this decline? The summer before the vaccine no one went anywhere with a crowd, no pools were open, it certainly wasn't in decline!!!

I guess you have never known anyone living with the leftover residual problems from polio?

Yes polio still exists no one said it didn't, but it isn't a threat here thanks to most people are smart and immunize against it, if enough stop then it will come back.

Small pox would never have been eradicated with this current generation of parents.

I'm sorry but parents that think like you scare me very much and make me fear for the children of the future.

ITA!

 

[Scurvy]

How in the world can anyone actually believe that?? Of course there is concerete proof. It is called verified immunity for a reason. Polio no longer exists in the US. Nither does Smallpox. The disease fairy didn't get rid of them. How else do you explian the complete disappearence of these diseases? What els could have possibly lead to the complete eradication of thes diseases in such a short timeframe?

Did you notice the popcorn smiley? I think any more facts and explanations are wasted at this point. Besides, there's no way anyone could possibly be unaware of all of the proof of the effectiveness of vaccines unless they were intentionally disregarding all of it.

 

[bdcp]

If there was an outbreak no I would not have my children vaccinated.

Lets see there was an "outbreak" of whooping cough at my sons school. did I run out and have him vaccinated? No..the outbreak died down and he never caught whooping cough even though there was a supposed out break.

Then there was an "outbreak" of chicken pox at yet again my sons school. did I panic and run out and get him vaccinated? no..and guess what he got the chicken pox and he survived!



Even if I DID have my children vaccinated if there was an outbreak or polio or small pox or whatever..the vaccines are not 100% effective!

How wonderful. I knew a woman through a family friend who had given birth to two children but no longer had them. The reason? Before there was a whooping cough vaccine, both her children caught it and DIED from it. She would have given anything to have had a vaccine. Chicken pox is rarely a problem in HEALTHY children. The real problem is in immune challenged and adults so you have no problem exposing your child to someone who could have had a severe reaction or died from it? My kids had chicken pox before there was a vaccine and for them fortunately it wasn't a big deal, but I know at least two children who ended up with severe infections and had to be hospitalized. And an adult who got it in his lungs, which happens a lot with adults and he was in critical condition for a couple of days. This is just so pathetic. Someone needs to learn how the immune system works. I suggest you take a biology class at least.

 

[DisneyDorkORama]

If a 2 month old is vaccinated ON SCHEDULE, he/she will get 1,225 mcg of aluminum in 4 vaccines. Assuming the average 2 month old weighs 12lbs, their limit for aluminum would be 22 to 27.5 mcg per day. Those 2 month old shots would be 44.5 to 55.7 times the SAFE amount.



Sounds safe to me!

 

[princessmom29]

Did you notice the popcorn smiley? I think any more facts and explanations are wasted at this point. Besides, there's no way anyone could possibly be unaware of all of the proof of the effectiveness of vaccines unless they were intentionally disregarding all of it.

I know, I know, pearls before swine and all that, but the ignorance and/or reckless disregard is still stunning.

 

[MommyBell08]

How in the world can anyone actually believe that?? Of course there is concerete proof. It is called verified immunity for a reason. Polio no longer exists in the US. Nither does Smallpox. The disease fairy didn't get rid of them. How else do you explian the complete disappearence of these diseases? What els could have possibly lead to the complete eradication of thes diseases in such a short timeframe?

Did you do a report at Harvard on "verified immunity" too. Polio and smallpox mortality rates were both on major decline long before the vaccination was released. Being so educated, I would think you could find better ways to prove your point to the "general public" than to insult me with the "disease fairy" comment blaaahhhhh

 

[Maggie'sMom]

Yes I am completely fine with my child catching a deadly disease. Come on, please. There is no concrete proof that vaccinations prevent disease, if there was there would be no debating the topic.

You have got to be kidding! No concrete proof that vaccinations prevent disease? Yea, let's not let science or fact get in the way. Yes, boatloads of concrete proof exist that vaccines do indeed prevent some very serious, very devastating diseases.

 

[princessmom29]

If a 2 month old is vaccinated ON SCHEDULE, he/she will get 1,225 mcg of aluminum in 4 vaccines. Assuming the average 2 month old weighs 12lbs, their limit for aluminum would be 22 to 27.5 mcg per day. Those 2 month old shots would be 44.5 to 55.7 times the SAFE amount.



Sounds safe to me!

You are using the wrong numbers those are the threshold limits for INHALED, aluminum. Anything taken into the bloodstream would be inert and eliminated through the kidneys over time. Aluminum is a very low molecular weight metal and is easliy eleminated form the body. Not a problem.

 

[bdcp]

If a 2 month old is vaccinated ON SCHEDULE, he/she will get 1,225 mcg of aluminum in 4 vaccines. Assuming the average 2 month old weighs 12lbs, their limit for aluminum would be 22 to 27.5 mcg per day. Those 2 month old shots would be 44.5 to 55.7 times the SAFE amount.



Sounds safe to me!

Did you know aluminum salts have been added to vaccines since the 1920's? And there is no evidence of ANY KIND that it causes problems. In fact, aluminum salts enhance the effectiveness of the vaccine. Sorry if experts are a problem for you.

 

[princessmom29]

Did you do a report at Harvard on "verified immunity" too. Polio and smallpox mortality rates were both on major decline long before the vaccination was released. Being so educated, I would think you could find better ways to prove your point to the "general public" than to insult me with the "disease fairy" comment blaaahhhhh

Ok, here goes. Let me try to explain what verified immunity is. When a titer for a disease is done on a child, they are looking for the number of anitbodies present in the blood for that disease. If enough are found the immunity has been verified. There are enough antibodies in the bloodstream to immediately identify and destroy the infecting organism. The child would not contract the dieases if exposed. It is one of the more common ways to document the effectiveness of a vaccine, although it is not the only way. I would have thought anyone who had done thier research would be familiar with the term. Apparently not.

 

[DisneyDorkORama]

How wonderful. I knew a woman through a family friend who had given birth to two children but no longer had them. The reason? Before there was a whooping cough vaccine, both her children caught it and DIED from it. She would have given anything to have had a vaccine. Chicken pox is rarely a problem in HEALTHY children. The real problem is in immune challenged and adults so you have no problem exposing your child to someone who could have had a severe reaction or died from it? My kids had chicken pox before there was a vaccine and for them fortunately it wasn't a big deal, but I know at least two children who ended up with severe infections and had to be hospitalized.

Yes and I know a child who has been damaged by vaccines.

 

[princessmom29]

Did you know aluminum salts have been added to vaccines since the 1920's? And there is no evidence of ANY KIND that it causes problems. In fact, aluminum salts enhance the effectiveness of the vaccine. Sorry if experts are a problem for you.

Yes, it is ususally the anion portion ofthe salt that is active. Aluminum can carry a higher charge than most other metals. That combined with te low molecular weight means it can carry many more anions per gram of metal than most other metal salts.

 

[MommyBell08]

You have got to be kidding! No concrete proof that vaccinations prevent disease? Yea, let's not let science or fact get in the way. Yes, boatloads of concrete proof exist that vaccines do indeed prevent some very serious, very devastating diseases.

What are the specific "science" and "facts" that you speak of? And please do not say that Polio and Small pox being eradicated is proof that vaccinations cure disease.

 

[princessmom29]

Yes and I know a child who has been damaged by vaccines.

I know a child who was damaged by being infected by a non vaccinated child. He almost died, and suffered permanent damage as reslut of being infected with measels by an older child who was not vaccinated when he was still too young to recieve the vaccine.

 

[DisneyDorkORama]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQK_qhOdUcI