Vacation / Travel Jealousy

SuperRob

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I used to be the kind of person who didn't like hearing about all the fun places my friends and acquaintances were going. I was terrible about budgeting my money, sure, but I couldn't understand how people could afford to travel even once a year, much less more often. It always seemed like SO much money. I figured they were loaded, going broke doing it, or getting free trips somehow.

I've lived on the west coast most of my life, and yet, we never vacationed as a family anywhere other than Oregon. Once, we went to Vancouver (for Expo '86). That's it. Everything else was too expensive. We never went to Walt Disney World, much less Disneyland, despite the promises that we'd go some day. I think that carried over as an adult, and turned me into a deal finder. I wasn't willing to sacrifice quality for the things I wanted, but I could sure as heck find a good deal when I decided what I wanted. But I was still someone who didn't travel much, because of the idea that it was just too expensive.

Now that I have a DVC membership, I'm starting to figure it out. When you're not paying for part of your trip, suddenly, the parts you do have to pay for are more affordable. Maybe a $5000 vacation isn't feasible, but if you could make a $3000 vacation work, it's now a possibility.

Now I start to wonder how those other vacations I used to be envious of might have actually worked? Did they stay with a friend, saving on the hotel? Did they have frequent flier miles, so didn't have to pay for airfare? What part did they manage to eliminate from the budget to make the rest of the trip work? I think I used to look at the overall cost of their trip, as I imagined it would cost, and say that there was no way to do it. What I was really imagining was the value of the trip, not the cost. I had no idea if they really paid that much.

I think that's where we're making out like bandits with DVC. We're paying up front, yes, but relatively little. But when you can take a vacation later and not pay thousands for the accommodations, you really can afford to go more often. Sometimes, it means finding another place to save a bit of money, food, not going to the parks every day, but there's always a way to make it work. I just wish I'd gotten into DVC 12 years ago when I first had the opportunity, or five years ago when I had another chance. I feel like I missed out on a lot.

That all said, I've never been to Hawaii. Even being this close, hotels, food, airfare, it was all too expensive. Even with our DVC points, it was still a massive expense. But when the airfare became cheaper, we had options that we wouldn't have considered. So we booked the trip, bought the airfare, and now we'll have a wonderful time. But when we tell our friends, I start seeing some of that telltale jealousy, the old "we're happy for you" with an undercurrent of "you're wasting all your money" or "I could do that if I piled up the debt, too." (I admit, I feed into it when I tell them that we're not paying for the room, which has about a $425 rack rate.) I just told my sister that I'm going to make good on our father's old promise of taking us to Disneyland, by taking her next summer. When I told her she just needed to pay for the park tickets and her food, and we'd cover the room, she was so excited! When I told her the room would have cost about $1400, but we weren't paying for it, she was dumbfounded. I'm hoping to show her how to make it work, and maybe she'll end up a DVC Member.

I've seen others here who get that same reaction from friends, and more likely, family. I've decided that I'm going to do my best to try to educate early, rather than letting resentment and jealousy seethe. Anyone can do this. The investment, if you do it like we did, with a small number of points, isn't very much. And while it may only get you a few days here and there, you'll start to see opportunities that you didn't think you had. You just need to think about Cost vs. Value, other ways to save, and ways to sacrifice.

And hey, the referrals can't hurt. ;)
 
Sounds like we made the same journey financially as you have. :)


I've been seeing some amazing Hawaii airfares from seatac! Yay for Alaska Air is all I have to say.
 
We have always made vacations a priority for our family. I have been asked many times how we can afford to go and I simply tell them that we save up for them.

It's amazing how much people will spend on beer, cigs, gambling, ebay, etc. and you should have no opinion on how they spend there money. But I spend close to $0 per month on those items, yet my money traveling is ABSURD!

We have always traveled how we could afford to travel at that time in our life. We always put away at least $25 per week and then a percentage of overtime, bonus and tax returns to afford our travels.
 
Family members have asked us "When do you guys work?"

Within a period of 12 months we spent about 25 days at WDW.
We love Disney Cruise Line.
We really want to take a few Adventures By Disney trips.

WE LOVE TO TRAVEL!

We vacationed growing up but was always on a major budget, usually planned at the last minute (literally, I mean we stopped on the way out of town to get maps and such) In never failed that there was a convention or something in town that required us to drive through the early AM hours to check into a pit of a hotel at 2:00am. Our trips were half fun half educational - and looking back I really value all of those educational experiences, they really brought to life what we were learning in school - from Williamsburg to Washington, DC to the Cherokee Indian Reservation - we always went to museums, historical sites, and places that most kids would hate LOL

But our parents really brought all of that to life for us - so it was exciting!

We always went to amusement parks and other fun 'kid' stuff - as well though.

My wife's family didn't travel as much, but they did travel some - but it wasn't as often of for as long.

I know my family is envious of our travel habits - and you are totally right in that being smart about your vacation budget is what matter most. We do weekends away fairly often, and usually travel at least two weeks a year if not more. We often say that we work to vacation - we work hard to play hard.

However, one of the highlights of our travel was taking my parents to WDW in 2008. My parents went before they had kids, and then we went as a family in the late 80's. Mom had always said that she wanted to go back - she said it every time we talked about our first trip. I want to go back someday - I want to go back someday - she REALLY wanted to go back!
So - finally I said - LET'S GO BACK!

Mom had been suffering from very progressive rheumatoid arthritis since 2000, so by 2008 she was in a wheelchair full time. So while it took a lot of planning to make sure she would enjoy her time and not get too tired - it worked out perfectly. It literally was the trip of a lifetime!
We had planned another trip for the spring of 2011, this time with Mom and Dad, My wife and I, one of my brothers - his wife and their 2.5 year old son - we had even had custom tshirts made for everyone! - but three weeks before we were schedule to go Mom was hospitalized with a very severe infection compounded by one of her medications, and after two weeks in the hospital she passed away from the infection and other issues brought on by the infection.

Needless to say, I was devastated by Mom's passing.

However, what has made the healing process easier is remembering all of the memories we made on our trip in 2008. Mom had such a good time - and she talked about the steak she had at Coral Reef every time we talked about the trip!

My favorite memory from that trip was when we were in Hollywood Studios at the animation area and a CM announced that Mickey Mouse would be coming out for photos in just a few minutes - and my silver haired, 61 year old, in an electric scooter mother looked up at me and said "If it isn't crowded, if the line isn't too long, do you think I can get my picture taken with Mickey Mouse?"

:littleangel: :rotfl:

OF COURSE YOU CAN, MOM!!!!

That memory will live forever in my heart as Mom's dream of "Going Back" came true.

For Christmas this year my DMIL had a canvas photo made of my Mom meeting Mickey Mouse and Mickey planting a huge kiss on Mom's cheek. The life and joy on Mom's face is exactly how I will remember her for the rest of my life.

Slowly since May of 2000 Mom's freedom and independence disappeared one step at a time. But when she was at WDW, we were chasing her - grass did not grow under her scooter! HAHA She felt so free and was able to go, see, and do things she never dreamed she would ever be able to do again.

Moments like that are the exact reason why saying "One day..." doesn't cut it - DO IT! Life happens too fast for "One Day..."

Travel - go see the world - leave your zip code as often as possible, and don't say "One day..."

What are you doing tomorrow??? HAHA

DVC is amazing, and you never have to worry about the quality or value - it's there - it's built in, and has been since the beginning. The ability to go any time of the year, take as many people as you want, and stay in accommodations that are far more amazing that you'd ever be able to afford my paying cash!

With DVC you don't have to wait for a 'deal' - your DVC deal is there, waiting on you - saying... COME BACK! :lmao:

We love being DVC members, and it is a decision that we will never regret!

We bought our DVC membership on that trip with Mom and Dad in 2008 - so we'll never forget that trip, especially since that trip was the last vacation Mom had, and we spent it with her.

Dreams do come true!
 

We bought DVC in 2008 and now I feel guilty telling friends, family, even the preschool teacher that "We are going again!". My husband works hard for our money and I work hard taking care of the family and saving/finding great deals to piece the rest of our trips together. We don't have a lot of "toys", i.e. RVs, snow mobiles, jet skis, boats, ATV's, or a ton of new furniture. What we choose to put a priority on is taking family vacations, that happen to be at Disney. I have had friends tell me, "must be nice to be rich". Must be, but I wouldn't know. :confused3 We are financially smart and work hard. I think I hang out on the DVC boards so much because I can relate to other Disers better than my own friends/family sometimes.
 
to all of those jealous people that hate on us DVCers.....I'm leaving for WDW in 2 days and I will enjoy 13 days of Disney love...so, there!:rotfl:
 
How's the weather in Spokanistan? They're predicting snow this weekend in Western WA. :)
 
How's the weather in Spokanistan? They're predicting snow this weekend in Western WA. :)

Cold right now, not sure about upcoming weather...because we leave Sat. am for 13 days:cool1: Orlando has been the only forecast I have been watching past Saturday!
 
Cold right now, not sure about upcoming weather...because we leave Sat. am for 13 days:cool1: Orlando has been the only forecast I have been watching past Saturday!

Congrats on the upcoming trip! Talk about great timing. The wait for Hawaii is killing me ... :rotfl:
 
I often feel awkward mentioning our vacations to some of our family members. But, we too make family vacations a priority and let other things take the back burner (like home renovations and getting a new car). I also sacrifice a lot of things that other women I know get (manicures, fancy clothes and shoes, highlights every 6 weeks, cleaning service, mobile pet groomer, any pet groomer...I do it myself). We are in a 1973 house that got remodeled in the 80s...it's needin' some work...we do a little here and there, but it needs soooo much. I figure that paneling can be there for 10 years more and won't hurt anything, but who knows who won't be around in 10 years...gotta make those memories while you can and enjoy those loved ones while you can.

When the kids were little and we didn't have much money (I have been a stay at home mom), we did beach trips...sometimes just a couple days at a time. Then, when things started to look better (financially), we went to Disney and 3 years later we became DVC members (when we recieved a small inheritance). We're not rolling in it...we just sacrifice and do things frugally.

And then in 2007, we took a Disney cruise...we went in September (when it was more affordable) and we put 4 of us in 1 cabin and our DS in the cabin with MIL and FIL (and they only made us pay the 3rd person rate for him). We loved it, but didn't think we could afford to cruise too often. Then we discovered Carnival. Since March of 2010 we've been on CCL 4 times (twice with the kids and twice without) for 3-5 day cruises (we don't mind a 4 or 5 day cruise and some of those are very good deals). One 5 day cruise...I won playing the free cruise bingo on one of the other cruises.

Another frugal thing we do is drive most anywhere. We have driven to FL 6 times (from MD) since 2007 (when we moved from NC to MD). We flew for the 1st time this Xmas and that was because we got an unbelievable deal and we already had APs and used our DVC to stay at OKW...so the only costs were airfare and dining (which we also had the TIW card). We spent about $2000-2300 in total.

I have 2 family memebers that I feel I have to be hush hush about my vacations around. One has chosen a career that is very fun for him and exactly what he likes to do and has a huge social aspect to it, but it doesn't make him much money and takes a lot of his time. He is in his 40s and has no kids, never bought a house or even a car and has been engaged for about 12 years or so...they can't vacation. He makes comments when we talk about our vacations. Another relative is an orthodontist who has taken care of my 3 kids' teeth at no extra charge to me. I am very fortunate and thankful for this wonderful gift. It is a godsend. But I feel weird talking about our Disney trips or cruises (and last year we had 2 of each...long story and 1 of the cruises was the free one). I feel like they must be wanting to hand me a big ol' bill. Oh well...I can't worry what others think, I suppose.
 
I was a travel agent before I became a stay at home mom so the traveling bug had already hit and travel was a priority for us also. Now that DD's are older and I was fortunate enough to stay at home with them I now work as a consultant (doing bookkeeping) for several small business and the money I earn is our vacation money! Some of the owners I work for have commented "you sure do travel a lot" and I just smile and say "Vacations is what it is all about for me and my family, time spent together without the stress of life"
 
Csharpwv, I love your story! I'm so glad your mom had that special visit, thank you for sharing!:goodvibes
 
Superrob,

In defense of your parents, we spent a ton of money going out to Oregon this summer. It was quite possibly one of the best vacations of my families life! Sandboarding, rafting, playing in snow in July on Mt Hood, seeing the deepest lake in the USA (omg!), side trips to Mt St. Helens and the Giant Redwoods.....holy smokes, you grew up in an amazing state! Then again, I don't get the massive amounts of money people spend to come to our neighborhood....the Hamptons!


Seriously, vacations rock!
 
I feel much like you when it comes to DVC. We're just buying in for the first time (just sent the signed contract back to our agent for our BWV contract this afternoon! :banana:).

Travel is very important to me and DBF, and we've both fallen in love with going to Disney together. My parents bought a couple of Marriott timeshare weeks when my sister and I were both in our late-teens and my mom died a few years later, so we never had much time to enjoy the timeshares like we thought we would.

I wanted to buy into DVC now so DBF and I can enjoy a few more years of Disney trips just the two of us before adding a DD or DS to the mix. And then there will be years of family trips that lay ahead of us.

We own our own home. We travel to other places (we spent two glorious weeks in Europe this summer). And we've finally begun to let the "You're going back to Disney?" comments roll right off our backs. We work hard for our money and we happen to like spending it at Disney. Now with DVC, that'll be easier on our wallets!
 
Superrob,

In defense of your parents, we spent a ton of money going out to Oregon this summer. It was quite possibly one of the best vacations of my families life! Sandboarding, rafting, playing in snow in July on Mt Hood, seeing the deepest lake in the USA (omg!), side trips to Mt St. Helens and the Giant Redwoods.....holy smokes, you grew up in an amazing state! Then again, I don't get the massive amounts of money people spend to come to our neighborhood....the Hamptons!


Seriously, vacations rock!

I grew up in Seattle, and we went to Seaside, OR. Every. Summer. Even one year when my leg was in a cast ... we still ended up going to the frickin' beach. It got old, but I knew it WA because we didn't have the money.

I did the math. It'll cost just over $30,000 over the length of our contract (factoring inflation of 3% on the dues) for conservatively 20 years of vacations. We basically sacrificed one very nice car. I'm ok with that.
 
I used to be the kind of person who didn't like hearing about all the fun places my friends and acquaintances were going. I was terrible about budgeting my money, sure, but I couldn't understand how people could afford to travel even once a year, much less more often. It always seemed like SO much money. I figured they were loaded, going broke doing it, or getting free trips somehow.

I've seen others here who get that same reaction from friends, and more likely, family. I've decided that I'm going to do my best to try to educate early, rather than letting resentment and jealousy seethe.

Great thread, Rob. This probably should go on the board where new people ask about the value of DVC :thumbsup2

To reply directly to your thread, I haven't received any real weird looks or sighs from friends, family, or co-workers. I figure it is due to my responses when they ask.

If we are going to WDW, I may mention that my parents live in Tampa, and we'll visit them, too. This seems to make sense to most sceptics.

If they start talking about Disney, I'll get in there, as I enjoy yapping about Disney as much as visiting. :lmao: My good friends know I'm 42 going on 10, so they figure Disney is a good place for me :thumbsup2. In fact, most want to go and see the lands through MY eyes hehehe! If a co-worker starts talking about it, I'll end up getting excited and then they get excited, and soon everyone wants to go sometime, too!

If it is a hard nosed person who really wants to voice their opposition (I've only spoken to a couple), I smack them with the depressive stuff. I'll relate (very seriously) how money is truly insignificant and life is short. As long as I have financial plans for retirement and to cover the family in case of my death, then I can make as much money as I need to go on vacation. I also let them know that if affordability is an issue, I can help them get to a Disney park within their budget and give them tips to save for the trip. After that if they choose not to save, I tell them to shut up, cause they aren't willing to put forth the effort to actually make it happen (then dismiss them as weak :rotfl:).



However, one of the highlights of our travel was taking my parents to WDW in 2008. My parents went before they had kids, and then we went as a family in the late 80's. Mom had always said that she wanted to go back - she said it every time we talked about our first trip. I want to go back someday - I want to go back someday - she REALLY wanted to go back!
So - finally I said - LET'S GO BACK! ...

We bought our DVC membership on that trip with Mom and Dad in 2008 - so we'll never forget that trip, especially since that trip was the last vacation Mom had, and we spent it with her.

Dreams do come true!
Amen! This is a great story, and should also be on the board where new people look for advice. THIS is the really value in DVC and Disney Parks in general.

Moments like that are the exact reason why saying "One day..." doesn't cut it - DO IT! Life happens too fast for "One Day..."
I broke this out, as it is exactly why we we bought earlier than we could afford with cash and why we decided to finance. For me, it doesn't matter how much we will pay in interest, as our family will have the memories from our earlier trips and will make more memories in the trips to come.

Our DD5 has never known a world without the magic of a Disney trip, as she has gone every year of her life so far. At least if both myself and DW die in a car accident tonight, she will have a strong connection to Disney. As such, she can use the stories and situations espoused by Walt and his magic lands as a moral compass to find her way in life.

Tomorrow may never come for me, and I have no regrets if that does come to fruition.
 
I grew up in Seattle, and we went to Seaside, OR. Every. Summer. Even one year when my leg was in a cast ... we still ended up going to the frickin' beach. It got old, but I knew it WA because we didn't have the money.

I did the math. It'll cost just over $30,000 over the length of our contract (factoring inflation of 3% on the dues) for conservatively 20 years of vacations. We basically sacrificed one very nice car. I'm ok with that.

LOL..that's the comparison I always use..my DVC contracts (225 VGC points) cost me less than my Ford Explorer, which is now long gone, did over 10 years ago. DVC is a great value for us.
 
Whenever I'm on the fence about spending money on a vacation I harken back to my dad, who raised 10 kids and took us to WDW 11 times in a 13 year period, from 1979-1992. All ten of us went 4 times, and subsequent trips were various configurations as some moved on to college, etc...

We stayed at the Royal Plaza the first 7 trips, and then when the Grand Floridian opened we stayed there the last 4 trips.

My mother still has a classic picture of us checking into the Royal Plaza, next to a small sign that said "Welcome ******* Company", with our last name--the hotel thought we were a small company, not a family, I guess b/c we had 6 rooms.

I remember so many specifics about those trips and will never forget the memories. My dad turns 80 next year, and we are trying to get him to come back with us but he's overly nostalgic and thinks it would be too much. We'll see.

So now we pull the trigger more often than not, because he taught me that memories and time with family and your children is what matters; the rest is just filler.
 
It's amazing how much people will spend on beer, cigs, gambling, ebay, etc. and you should have no opinion on how they spend there money. But I spend close to $0 per month on those items, yet my money traveling is ABSURD!

I laughed when I read this because I completely agree!! Personally we make it a priority to travel and in order to do that we don't smoke, drink rarely, eat out rarely, etc. If most people looked at what they spent on all these extras they could take a vacation too because that stuff adds up. We budget ourselves to make sure that we can vacation like we want and then do the extras 2nd.

We bought DVC in 2008 and now I feel guilty telling friends, family, even the preschool teacher that "We are going again!". My husband works hard for our money and I work hard taking care of the family and saving/finding great deals to piece the rest of our trips together. We don't have a lot of "toys", i.e. RVs, snow mobiles, jet skis, boats, ATV's, or a ton of new furniture. What we choose to put a priority on is taking family vacations, that happen to be at Disney. I have had friends tell me, "must be nice to be rich". Must be, but I wouldn't know. :confused3 We are financially smart and work hard. I think I hang out on the DVC boards so much because I can relate to other Disers better than my own friends/family sometimes.


We constantly get the must be nice to be rich comment cause the past couple of years we have been taking 2-3 vacations a year. So of course we are rich. We do make good money but to vacation we budget properly and that is key. Everyone else says we must be running up debt or vacationing on credit cards which we aren't. Yes we have credit card debt but so do most people and it's manageable. We recently purchased into the DVC so of course that gets lots of criticism since we have a timeshare we again are rich. But really it's just an investment since we go to Disney every year and it makes it more affordable. We get a lot of travel envy from friends because most of our friends don't get to travel, I only have one friend who travels like we do and she is the most understanding when I talk of my vacations. I can completely understand the feeling awkward talking to people about your trips because sometimes it gets that way for us too people become very judgemental. I don't complain how other people spend their money so why should anyone have an issue with how we spend ours.
 
In my case education didn't seem to matter. I still got snippy responses from my family.

"well we don't have to pay 5.00 for Mickey Bar when we go camping in Michigan"

It was all I could do to bite my tongue and NOT say "well of course you don't - they don't carry Mickey bars at that campground in Michigan".

In the end I finally realized their issues are just that THEIR issues and I was not about to make them mine.
 










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