USC??? hosed??

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Don't you just love the BCS...
Ranked #1 and not playing in the Sugar Bowl...:confused:


Controversial finish: USC No. 1 in polls, third in BCS

By JOSH DUBOW, AP Football Writer
December 7, 2003
College football fans, get ready to crown not just one, but possibly two national champions.

And get ready for a new round of controversy.

That's because the computer rankings had Oklahoma as the country's top team Sunday while the human poll voters picked Southern California.

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It's exactly what the Bowl Championship Series was designed to avoid, with the prospect of a split title certain to renew cries for a playoff.

Despite getting walloped by Kansas State 35-7 on Saturday night, Oklahoma will take its 12-1 record to the Sugar Bowl against LSU, which won the Southeastern Conference championship by beating Georgia 34-13.

The winner in New Orleans on Jan. 4 automatically captures the coaches' title under BCS format.

USC, which finished third in the BCS rankings, could win The Associated Press championship by beating No. 4 Michigan in the Rose Bowl.

``We're the No. 1 team in the country and we'll do everything we can to hold that spot,'' USC coach Pete Carroll said. ``If we win that football game, we feel like we'll be the No. 1 team in the country regardless of what that other bowl is called.''

The No. 1 team in the AP poll has never dropped after winning its bowl game.

The BCS was started in 1998 to create a national title game without playoffs.

When the BCS contract expires after the 2005 season, a one-game championship might be instituted after the bowls. That would be too late to fix this year's mess.

``Unfortunately, there seems to be three teams that people would like to see and the system can't satisfy three teams,'' LSU coach Nick Saban said. ``Unfortunately we can't have all three teams because we don't have a playoff.'

In the final BCS standings, Oklahoma was first with 5.11 points based on its top spot in five of the seven computers, the 11th-toughest schedule and a quality win over Texas. The Sooners were third in both polls.

``The system is what it is and we can't control it,'' Oklahoma defensive coordinator Brent Venables said. ``We feel we have more than earned our way into this game and don't have to apologize to anybody.''

LSU (12-1) was second with 5.99, edging out USC (11-1) by 0.16 in the second closest finish in the six-year history of the BCS. Nebraska beat Colorado by 0.05 in 2001.

The Trojans got 79 of the 128 first-place votes in the polls but finished third in five computers because of a weak Pac-10 schedule.

LSU was second in the polls and six computers and edged out USC based on a tougher schedule. LSU and USC were each picked first in one computer.

The Tigers' spot in the title game wasn't assured until Boise State beat Hawaii at 3 a.m. EST Sunday. The Trojans' strength of schedule was hurt because they beat Hawaii in September.

The dream matchup for the Rose Bowl, a traditional pairing of Big Ten and Pac-10 champions with national title implications, is the doomsday scenario for the BCS.

It's the third time in four seasons that a team in the top two in the polls didn't make it to the BCS title game. The BCS avoided disaster those years because No. 1 Oklahoma beat Florida State in the 2001 Orange Bowl and No. 1 Miami beat Nebraska in the 2002 Rose Bowl.

The No. 2 teams in the polls won their bowl games those years and could have won the AP title if the top-ranked teams lost. The only way to avoid a disputed finish this year is if Michigan (10-2) beats USC.

``I know there's controversy but that comes with the system,'' Carroll said. ``Until a playoff that's what will happen.''

There was talk two years ago when Nebraska made the title game without winning the Big 12 to make a winning a conference a requirement to make the championship game. There are sure to be more calls for that change because of Oklahoma.

``With the events this year, we'd be foolish if we didn't look at it again in the spring,'' said Big East commissioner Mike Tranghese, who runs the BCS.

The other BCS matchups have No. 10 Miami (10-2) playing No. 9 Florida State (10-2) in a rematch from the regular season in the Orange Bowl and No. 8 Kansas State (11-3) facing No. 7 Ohio State (10-2) in the Fiesta Bowl.

Champions of the ACC, Big East, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-10 and SEC qualify for a BCS game. Oklahoma and Ohio State were picked as at-large teams.

Despite the controversy, there are still two intriguing matchups.

First up is USC-Michigan on Jan. 1 in the seventh Rose Bowl meeting between the schools. The game features two high-powered offenses. USC is sixth in the nation in scoring at 42.2 points per game and Michigan is ninth at 37.2.

Quarterback Matt Leinart leads a balanced offense for the Trojans, which features game-breaking receivers in Mike Williams, Keary Colbert and Steve Smith and a dangerous running duo of Reggie Bush and LenDale White.

Michigan is led by quarterback John Navarre, who has delivered his biggest games against the best opponents this year. The Wolverines also have talented receivers in Braylon Edwards, Jason Avant and Steve Breaston, and a top running back in Chris Perry.

Three days later, LSU will play Oklahoma in what will almost be a home game for the Tigers at the Superdome in New Orleans -- a short drive from LSU's campus.

This game features the country's two best defenses. Oklahoma leads the nation, allowing only 255.6 yards per game, slightly better than LSU's 259.5. The Tigers have the top scoring defense at 10.8 points per game compared to Oklahoma's third-best 14.9.

Both teams also have big-play quarterbacks. Jason White has 40 touchdown passes and is a Heisman Trophy candidate for Oklahoma, while LSU's Matt Mauck has 28 touchdown passes.


Updated on Sunday, Dec 7, 2003 6:10 pm EST
 
I don't follow the BCS rankings to closely. I must admit, that I was surprised when I did hear that Oklahoma was going to the Sugar Bowl. I thought for sure that their loss last night to Kansas State would have knocked them out of playing for the National Title. I do think that USC is getting the shaft for sure, they deserve to be in the Sugar Bowl.
 
I, too, am very surprised. I expected LSU & USC in the Sugar Bowl. At least USC gets to play a "home" game at the Rose Bowl and isn't necessarily out of contention. (Even though LSU will win and become National Champs according to the BCS). :teeth:



GEAUX TIGERS!
 
The BCS takes so many other factors into consideration than just team's records. Still, this once again shows the NEED for a Division 1 playoff. COME ON NCAA wake up. It can be worked in with the bowls so you don't lose your precious sponsorship money and the schools won't lose their appearance money. It can be done, and I volunteer to work on it!
 

I wasn't surprised that Oklahoma's still going to the championship game, but I am surprised that they aren't playing USC. I feel bad for the Trojans, esp. considering their only loss was by what, 3 points? In overtime too, no less.
 
Oh, I wish I could be in NOLA for New Year's.
LSU!!!!!
 
Being a UCLA fan I'm taking great delight in the fact that USC (the University of Spoiled Children) will not get a shot at the National Championship game. Do I agree with it? No, but I love it nonetheless :teeth:
 
I love USC football and was so disappointed when the results were final. I really believe USC is the #1 team in the country this year and Pete Carroll has done a wonderful job at turning the program around.
 
Oh yes they got hosed.

The one BIG HUGE problem with any kind of points system is that teams who have weaker conference opponents (i.e. the Pac10 vs. the Big 12 or SEC) lose out. I am a BIG believer that it's hardly fair to penalize a team that is forced to play weker opponents in conference. If USC beats Michigan, then I think you will hear HUGE uproar that the BCS be tossed out come 2005 when the contract is up.

Of course a traditional playoff system would be horribly long and FAR to expensive, so I don't know what I good solution would be.

Just my two cents,
Solotraveler:earsboy:
 
Let me preface this by saying I don't follow college football closely and I'm trying to figure the whole BCS ratings thing out.

USC is ranked number one in 2 polls correct? Those polls are decided on by people correct? People can be biased correct?

The BCS stuff is based on a computer calculation factoring a bunch of different thing in? I guess I'm confused as to what the controversy is?

Not being sarcastic, I swear, just trying to figure this whole thing out.


Tamie
 
The BCS is made up of seven different computer rankings, I believe, plus other factors. Lemme look it up...

Ok here is some info:
The final Bowl Championship Series standings were released on Dec. 7. LSU and Oklahoma, the two teams with the lowest point total from four categories (poll average, computer average, strength of schedule, losses) in the final standings will play for the national championship in the Sugar Bowl on Jan. 4, 2004. The BCS also consists of the Orange Bowl, Rose Bowl and Fiesta Bowl.
Six of the eight spots in the four BCS bowl games are reserved for the champions of the ACC (Florida State), Big East (Miami), Big Ten (Michigan), Big 12 (Kansas State), Pac-10 (USC) and SEC (LSU).
The two at-large berths (Oklahoma and Ohio State) were determined using the following format in this order:

Finishing first or second in the BCS

Any Division I-A independent, or winners of Conference USA, Mountain West, Sun Belt or WAC ranked higher than sixth in the BCS. Notre Dame also qualifies by winning nine games* or being in the Top 10 in the BCS.

Finishing third in the BCS.

Finishing fourth in the BCS.

At least nine wins* and finishing in the top 12 in the BCS.

* Wins in non-exempt games and conference championship games don't count
BCS categories:

Poll average (25 percent): The average of the Associated Press media poll and USA Today-ESPN coaches' poll.

Computer average (25 percent): The second component consists of seven computer rankings. These computer rankings include Jeff Anderson-Chris Hester, Richard Billingsley, Colley Matrix, Kenneth Massey, New York Times, Jeff Sagarin and Peter Wolfe.
The computer component is determined by averging the rankings with the worst rating disregarded. For example, if a team is ranked first in three polls, second in three, and third in one, the third-place ranking will be disregarded and the remaining six polls will be added and divided by six (1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2 = 9/6 = 1.50).

Strength of schedule (25 percent): This component is calculated by determing the cumulative won/loss records of the team's opponents and cumulative won/loss records of the team's opponents' opponents. The formula shall be weighed two-thirds (66.67%) for the opponent's record and one-third (33.33%) for the opponents' opponents record. The team's schedule strength shall be calculated to determine its quartile ranking, thus the team's schedule ranking will be divided by 25. For example, if a team's schedule strength rating is 28th in the nation, that team would receive 1.12 points (28/25 = 1.12).
Should a team play a Division I-AA opponent, only the losses of the Division I-AA team or the wins of that team against a Division I-A team will be used in determining the opponent's record or the opponent's opponents' record.

Losses (25 percent): One point for each loss during the season
Quality wins:
A component to reward teams for beating Top 10 teams at the time of the calculation, not the time the game was played.
After the base BCS ratings are determined, a team gets a bonus point reduction based on a sliding scale for a win over a Top 10 team. A win over the No. 1 team in the basic ratings is worth a 1.0 point reduction, a win over the No. 2 team earns a 0.9 point reduciton all the way down to a 0.1 point reduction for beating the No. 10 team.
Note: If a team defeats the same Top 10 team in the regular season and in a conference championship game, it only gets credited once for a quality win.

Hopefully that makes some sense. And really other NCAA football divisions have a playoff, why can't Division 1-A. It wouldn't be any longer and it wouldn't really cost that much more (the schools that will be in contention have the money anyway). There would also be a way to work in the current sponsorships and stadiums in which the games are played. It's just the NCAA afraid to take that next step. Many college coaches have come out in the past in favor of a playoff system, hopefully this will drum up support once again.
 
I'm not big USC fan, but we're used to be "shafted" in the West. (Pac-10 - "we get no respect"!) It's kinda like, if you play West of the Rockies, you aren't a "real" Football team?!?!?!?
 
I'm not a USC fan either, but i follow college football enough to have been shocked at the crawl on ESPN announcing the BCS championship.

Yeah, USC got hosed. Somebody always gets hosed. And there are too many bowls to begin with. If the BCS really wanted to work out a system they could do it, a few compnies may have to shaft their bowl games, but they could do it.

I think the NCAA has major problems though. Only reason OHio State is in a bowl game(other than its record) is cause of a lickety split investigation aimed to pacify the NCAA while scapegoating 1 kid who got tossed off the team for the entire season(can't remeber his name).

So much is wrong with the NCAA its amazing.

Maureen
 
They lost in double (or was it triple?) overtime to Cal while Kansas State wiped up the field with Oklahoma. Yeah, USC got the shaft.
 


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